Has the law been put aside? If so, when?

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Just a couple of questions about these statements. If there was no "LAW" before Adam, then how could he sin? I think you are referring to Galatians where Paul said "The Law was Added because of Transgressions". But if one reads Galatians 3.

Gal. 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Paul is speaking of a "LAW" that was added 430 years after Abraham. If there was "NO LAW" before this, then how was Sodom judged, those in Noah's time. Why was Cain punished? Egypt punished? What about Gen. 26:5?

I know the answer to these questions. The "LAW" that was Added 430 years after Abraham that the Jews were still pushing on the Galatians was the "Levitical Priesthood" and their version of it's "Works and Deeds of the Law" for the cleansing of sins.

I agree with your statement: "Mankind would need to know what GODs perfect standard of righteousness (the law)was so that he could know what to do or not do."

I don't agree that God waited until Moses, after He had already punished thousands for "Sinning" which by the very definition of the word proves God's Laws existed from the beginning.

But the Levitical Priesthood covenant God made with Israel at Mt. Sinai, Abraham didn't have, and neither did Adam. Levi wasn't even born until centuries later.

satan has infiltrated religion and has promoted confusion where these things are concerned.

Sounds like I may be In error.

 

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No I read it context to the surrounding chapters.
Chapter seven's context continues into eight. Paul proclaims in verse two of chapter eight His deliverance from the Law of sin and death which he claimed to be in in service to through his flesh in verse 7:23, 25.

For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
(Rom 7:22-25)

Chapter seven's use of the word mind is dealing with head knowledge; knowing the law and desiring to serve it because you know it is good and makes sense to you to do so is did not work for Paul nor will it work for us. The only way is Jesus Christ.

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(Rom 8:1-4)

Paul claims he had been Made me free from the law of sin and death. No longer in captivity to the Law of sin which which is in His members. HE HAS BEEN MADE FREE! That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. (Rom 8:2-4; 6:6,7)

Se free from the Law of sin and death. Our old man crucified with with HIM that the Body of Sin be destroyed. That Hence forth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin through Jesus Christ. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
(1Pe 2:24 KJV)

He is set free from the penalty of sin but he still had the law of sin in him like all of us have. That draw to sin causes us to stumble. In point of fact do you know what the law states? It is scattered throughout the Torah. Maimonides collected the 613 laws together. They are in groups between who they are for, where they are in force, and the do's and don'ts among the divisions.

In addition to the 10 commandments there are the laws scattered through the Torah.

List of the 613 laws in the Torah
http://www.gods-word-first.org/bible-study/613commandments.html

Discussion about the 613 laws in the Torah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments

 

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No I read it context to the surrounding chapters.
Chapter seven's context continues into eight. Paul proclaims in verse two of chapter eight His deliverance from the Law of sin and death which he claimed to be in in service to through his flesh in verse 7:23, 25.

For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
(Rom 7:22-25)

Chapter seven's use of the word mind is dealing with head knowledge; knowing the law and desiring to serve it because you know it is good and makes sense to you to do so is did not work for Paul nor will it work for us. The only way is Jesus Christ.

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(Rom 8:1-4)

Paul claims he had been Made me free from the law of sin and death. No longer in captivity to the Law of sin which which is in His members. HE HAS BEEN MADE FREE! That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. (Rom 8:2-4; 6:6,7)

Se free from the Law of sin and death. Our old man crucified with with HIM that the Body of Sin be destroyed. That Hence forth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin through Jesus Christ. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
(1Pe 2:24 KJV)

He is set free from the penalty of sin but he still had the law of sin in him like all of us have. That draw to sin causes us to stumble.

Paul proclaims in verse two of chapter eight His deliverance from the Law of sin in his members which he claimed to be in service to through his flesh in verse 7:23, 25 not the penalty. The release from the penalty was covered in verse one where God said through Paul,
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Verse two says For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Made free from the Law of Sin that is in his (our) members. How?

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

How? We been Set free from the Law of Sin and Death by CHRIST Condemning Sin in the flesh.

Why did HE do that? That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(Rom 8:1-4)


Paul claims he had been Made me free from the law of sin and death. No longer in captivity to the Law of sin which which is in His members. HE HAS BEEN MADE FREE! That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh

 

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If the Law is what condemns us as sinners and the law can be removed, why did Jesus need to die?
If He died to remove the law, than i am not a sinner, and do not need forgiveness.
If Jesus died to remove the penalty of the law than i'm still a sinner but can by faith be forgiven.

There is still a law that condemns all of us as sinners. Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom_5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

No law = No sin
No sin = No forgiveness, No grace needed, No saviour needed.

I believe there is a law but by faith i'm saved through grace, but that doesn't mean i can murder and steal as much as i want to.
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

 

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Paul proclaims in verse two of chapter eight His deliverance from the Law of sin in his members which he claimed to be in service to through his flesh in verse 7:23, 25 not the penalty. The release from the penalty was covered in verse one where God said through Paul,
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Verse two says For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Made free from the Law of Sin that is in his (our) members. How?

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

How? We been Set free from the Law of Sin and Death by CHRIST Condemning Sin in the flesh.

Why did HE do that? That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(Rom 8:1-4)


Paul claims he had been Made me free from the law of sin and death. No longer in captivity to the Law of sin which which is in His members. HE HAS BEEN MADE FREE! That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh

ROTFL
Are you saying we who accept the grace through faith in Jesus now live sinless lives?
Methinks not!

 

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Are you saying we who accept the grace through faith in Jesus now live sinless lives?

Pay attention please.

Paul proclaims in verse two of chapter eight His deliverance from the Law of sin in his members which he claimed to be in service to through his flesh in verse 7:23, 25 not the penalty. The release from the penalty was covered in verse one where God said through Paul,
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Verse two says For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Made free from the Law of Sin that is in his (our) members. How?

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

How? We been Set free from the Law of Sin and Death by CHRIST Condemning Sin in the flesh.

Why did HE do that? That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(Rom 8:1-4)


Paul claims he had been Made me free from the law of sin and death. No longer in captivity to the Law of sin which which is in His members. HE HAS BEEN MADE FREE! That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh.

 

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Acts 15 1, 5, 10-11
1 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.”
5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

 

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Pay attention please.

Paul proclaims in verse two of chapter eight His deliverance from the Law of sin in his members which he claimed to be in service to through his flesh in verse 7:23, 25 not the penalty. The release from the penalty was covered in verse one where God said through Paul,
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Verse two says For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Made free from the Law of Sin that is in his (our) members. How?

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

How? We been Set free from the Law of Sin and Death by CHRIST Condemning Sin in the flesh.

Why did HE do that? That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(Rom 8:1-4)


Paul claims he had been Made me free from the law of sin and death. No longer in captivity to the Law of sin which which is in His members. HE HAS BEEN MADE FREE! That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh.

I repeat my question. Are we now sinless? It is my understanding that we all still sin. The law of sin that Paul refers to is in all of us despite we want to follow Christ. How many of us even know what the law states?

In addition to the 10 commandments there are the laws scattered through the Torah.

List of the 613 laws in the Torah
http://www.gods-word-first.org/bible-study/613commandments.html

Discussion about the 613 laws in the Torah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments

 

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I repeat my question. Are we now sinless? It is my understanding that we all still sin. The law of sin that Paul refers to is in all of us despite we want to follow Christ.

Paul proclaims in verse two of chapter eight His deliverance from the Law of sin in his members which he claimed to be in service to through his flesh in verse 7:23, 25 not the penalty. The release from the penalty was covered in verse one where God said through Paul,
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Verse two says For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Made free from the Law of Sin that is in his (our) members. How?

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

How? We been Set free from the Law of Sin and Death by CHRIST Condemning Sin in the flesh.

Why did HE do that? That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(Rom 8:1-4)

Made free from the Law of Sin and death that the righteousness of the the Law might be fulfilled in us.

Might be fulfilled! Fulfilled is pleroo in the Greek and means completely fill. It is in the subjunctive mood. The Mood of possibilities. So where we walking?

Jesus Condemned sin in the flesh. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead (separated) to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.

(1Pet 2:24; Matt 9:28,29)

 

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Romans 7:6
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

 

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We are n

I repeat my question. Are we now sinless? It is my understanding that we all still sin. The law of sin that Paul refers to is in all of us despite we want to follow Christ. How many of us even know what the law states?

In addition to the 10 commandments there are the laws scattered through the Torah.

List of the 613 laws in the Torah
http://www.gods-word-first.org/bible-study/613commandments.html

Discussion about the 613 laws in the Torah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments

We are not sinless In our thoughts but JESUS was perfectly righteous without any blemish and condemned sin In the flesh.there was a time that no man could be could righteous to GOD because they would always be brought Into captivity to the law of sin because of the weakness of the flesh but JESUS as a man fulfilled PERFECTLY the law and satisfied the demand of the law and GIVES grace to anyone that believes the WORD of GOD so then the Issue now Is Not sin but the Issue now Is faith.

ALL the law and the prophets Is summed up In one word,love.

 

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Paul proclaims in verse two of chapter eight His deliverance from the Law of sin in his members which he claimed to be in service to through his flesh in verse 7:23, 25 not the penalty. The release from the penalty was covered in verse one where God said through Paul,
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Verse two says For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Made free from the Law of Sin that is in his (our) members. How?

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

How? We been Set free from the Law of Sin and Death by CHRIST Condemning Sin in the flesh.

Why did HE do that? That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(Rom 8:1-4)

Made free from the Law of Sin and death that the righteousness of the the Law might be fulfilled in us.

Might be fulfilled! Fulfilled is pleroo in the Greek and means completely fill. It is in the subjunctive mood. The Mood of possibilities. So where we walking?

Jesus Condemned sin in the flesh. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead (separated) to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.

(1Pet 2:24; Matt 9:28,29)

In other words you ramble on avoiding my direct question.
It is a yes or no question!!!
Are we now sinless?

 

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We are n

We are not sinless In our thoughts but JESUS was perfectly righteous without any blemish and condemned sin In the flesh.there was a time that no man could be could righteous to GOD because they would always be brought Into captivity to the law of sin because of the weakness of the flesh but JESUS as a man fulfilled PERFECTLY the law and satisfied the demand of the law and GIVES grace to anyone that believes the WORD of GOD so then the Issue now Is Not sin but the Issue now Is faith.

ALL the law and the prophets Is summed up In one word,love.

I agree with you. Lightbearer seems to want to obfuscate the issue.

 

[lightbearer]

Read the post The answer to your question is there

 

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Romans 7:6
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

What version is that Sketch? It’s obviously a paraphrase. I like it a lot though!

 

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What version is that Sketch? It’s obviously a paraphrase. I like it a lot though!

Not a paraphrase. It's the NIV translation. Thanks.

 

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Read the post The answer to your question is there

Obfuscation instead of a simple yes or no. Methinks you are hiding behind the rhetoric to avoid a simple answer.

 

[lightbearer]

Obfuscation instead of a simple yes or no. Methinks you are hiding behind the rhetoric to avoid a simple answer.

Let me narrow it down for ya....
Verse two says For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Made free from the Law of Sin that is in his (our) members. How?

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

How? We been Set free from the Law of Sin and Death by CHRIST Condemning Sin in the flesh.

Why did HE do that? That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(Rom 8:1-4)

Made free from the Law of Sin and death that the righteousness of the the Law might be fulfilled in us.

The righteousness of the the Law Might be fulfilled! Fulfilled is pleroo in the Greek and means completely fill. It is in the subjunctive mood. The Mood of possibilities. So where we walking?

 

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Let me narrow it down for ya....
Verse two says For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Made free from the Law of Sin that is in his (our) members. How?

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

How? We been Set free from the Law of Sin and Death by CHRIST Condemning Sin in the flesh.

Why did HE do that? That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(Rom 8:1-4)

Made free from the Law of Sin and death that the righteousness of the the Law might be fulfilled in us.

The righteousness of the the Law Might be fulfilled! Fulfilled is pleroo in the Greek and means completely fill. It is in the subjunctive mood. The Mood of possibilities. So where we walking?

Still obfuscating no yes or no. What is so hard to give a one word answer? Are you trying to hide something?

 

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Still obfuscating no yes or no. What is so hard to give a one word answer? Are you trying to hide something?

It is not a yes or no answer. It is;
We have been made free from the Law of Sin and death that the righteousness of the the Law might be fulfilled in us.

The righteousness of the the Law Might be fulfilled! Fulfilled is pleroo in the Greek and means completely fill. It is in the subjunctive mood. The Mood of possibilities. So where we walking?