Hardshell & Primitive Baptist "Conditional Time Salvation" Warning
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2 Tim 2:10 says nothing about hearing the gospel, it says we are in Christ. Eph 2:5 says we are in Christ through regeneration. What is your explanation of 2 Tim 2:13? You make the statement "upon hearing the gospel" making hearing the gospel the reason you are regenerated. That is not what Eph 2:5 says. You are trying to construct the scripture to fit your necessity of believing in order to be regenerated.
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Actually you lost your time salvation, and need to get saved all over again, by your own efforts because by your admittance it is received via works. You've said this in the past.
But it sounds awfully sweaty and laborious to me, not at all like the light burden and easy yoke of Christ; Matthew 11:25-30.
Your gospel sounds a lot different than His Gospel bro, but you did refer to it as "my message" so there you go.
But it sounds awfully sweaty and laborious to me, not at all like the light burden and easy yoke of Christ; Matthew 11:25-30.
Your gospel sounds a lot different than His Gospel bro, but you did refer to it as "my message" so there you go.
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You do understand that my stand is that we are never lost eternally, once we have been regenerated. Do you understand what I am saying. We lose our fellowship with God only until we repent, not eternally. And, yes, we lose his fellowship as often as we sin and that can be on a daily basis. In that sense, we are , lost from his fellowship, delivered, lost from his fellowship, delivered, lost from his fellowship, delivered. every day of our lives, if we sin that often. That is why I make the statement that most of the deliverance (salvation) scriptures are pertaining to a timely deliverance (salvation). Anytime you see scripture that includes, repent, confess, believe, accept etc. the scripture is referring to God's regenerated children. These terms are actions that are required by man to be saved which would be a deliverance by man's good works. Timely deliverance (salvation) is accomplished by man's good works, repenting, accepting, confessing etc.
1 John 1:7
“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.”
There is an old thread revived that asks why Christians are afraid of Yoga.
I think Christians are made afraid of so many things because false teachings make them first believe they're still at risk of dying condemned, even when they think they're redeemed. So they're terrified of anything else that may be in this world, like Yoga, meditation, (Jesus meditated), etc... Because it just compounds the insecurity and the fear Jesus didn't finish it all on the cross.
There was a guy once making his rounds in Bible forums till they all got rid of him. He insisted every time a Christian sinned they were no longer in God's saving grace. So that if they sinned in one moment and died the next they'd go to Hell.
He got that teaching from somewhere. And it was his mission, as he told us, to spread the truth.
He was lying!
Jesus does not have to be re-crucified every time you sin! It is all about the finished work on the cross.
Trust the holy spirit inside you to lead you to all truth. Maybe the reason we don't feel secure is because we're first not sure he's there.
You Can’t Lose Fellowship With God
June 3, 2011The Gospel of Grace (Used with permission granted 8/2017)
There are many who believe that you have fellowship with God until you sin and that fellowship is broken when you sin. The fellowship is then regained as soon as you confess your sin and ask forgiveness. This is how many people think but they do not realize that this is old covenant thinking.
Let’s look at the old testament for a second. In the old testament it was the blood of bulls and goats that provided temporal and limited righteousness and forgiveness. It was temporal because when sin would happen the process would have to be repeated by the sacrifice of an animal. Can you look at the similarities in what I mentioned above? Many of us today will believe that God will be angry and leave us when we sin and the only way back to Him is through confession and asking of forgiveness. I want to tell you that this thinking is old covenant thinking and not what Christ died for.
As a new covenant believer the blood of Jesus is continual and constant not temporary and limited. Because of Jesus sacrifice on the cross you are never out of fellowship with God and your sins are immediately forgiven and forgotten because they are not seen because of the perfect covering of the lamb’s blood (Christ).
Lets make this perfectly clear:
Jesus does not have to be crucified repeatedly every time you sin. When you continually confess your sin and wait for the answer of forgiveness you are living under the old covenant and crucifying Jesus each time. Jesus died once, and that one death was enough for ALL of our past, present and future sins. You have only one part in the new covenant (which we will talk about tomorrow) and that is calling on the name of Jesus and believing in His finished work. That is it, no more no less.
In the new covenant because of the sacrificed blood of Jesus; when you fail, relationship and fellowship with God are not broken. Why? Because your sins and failures have all been paid for at the cross. How can you ever lose your righteousness in Christ when it is based entirely on His perfect work and not your imperfection?
WHEN YOU FAIL, RELATIONSHIP AND FELLOWSHIP WITH GOD ARE NOT BROKEN.
“Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness… — Daniel 9:24
As a new covenant believer, you are righteous not only until your next sin. You have everlasting righteousness!
“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.”
There is an old thread revived that asks why Christians are afraid of Yoga.
I think Christians are made afraid of so many things because false teachings make them first believe they're still at risk of dying condemned, even when they think they're redeemed. So they're terrified of anything else that may be in this world, like Yoga, meditation, (Jesus meditated), etc... Because it just compounds the insecurity and the fear Jesus didn't finish it all on the cross.
There was a guy once making his rounds in Bible forums till they all got rid of him. He insisted every time a Christian sinned they were no longer in God's saving grace. So that if they sinned in one moment and died the next they'd go to Hell.
He got that teaching from somewhere. And it was his mission, as he told us, to spread the truth.
He was lying!
Jesus does not have to be re-crucified every time you sin! It is all about the finished work on the cross.
Trust the holy spirit inside you to lead you to all truth. Maybe the reason we don't feel secure is because we're first not sure he's there.
You Can’t Lose Fellowship With God
June 3, 2011The Gospel of Grace (Used with permission granted 8/2017)
There are many who believe that you have fellowship with God until you sin and that fellowship is broken when you sin. The fellowship is then regained as soon as you confess your sin and ask forgiveness. This is how many people think but they do not realize that this is old covenant thinking.
Let’s look at the old testament for a second. In the old testament it was the blood of bulls and goats that provided temporal and limited righteousness and forgiveness. It was temporal because when sin would happen the process would have to be repeated by the sacrifice of an animal. Can you look at the similarities in what I mentioned above? Many of us today will believe that God will be angry and leave us when we sin and the only way back to Him is through confession and asking of forgiveness. I want to tell you that this thinking is old covenant thinking and not what Christ died for.
As a new covenant believer the blood of Jesus is continual and constant not temporary and limited. Because of Jesus sacrifice on the cross you are never out of fellowship with God and your sins are immediately forgiven and forgotten because they are not seen because of the perfect covering of the lamb’s blood (Christ).
Lets make this perfectly clear:
Jesus does not have to be crucified repeatedly every time you sin. When you continually confess your sin and wait for the answer of forgiveness you are living under the old covenant and crucifying Jesus each time. Jesus died once, and that one death was enough for ALL of our past, present and future sins. You have only one part in the new covenant (which we will talk about tomorrow) and that is calling on the name of Jesus and believing in His finished work. That is it, no more no less.
In the new covenant because of the sacrificed blood of Jesus; when you fail, relationship and fellowship with God are not broken. Why? Because your sins and failures have all been paid for at the cross. How can you ever lose your righteousness in Christ when it is based entirely on His perfect work and not your imperfection?
WHEN YOU FAIL, RELATIONSHIP AND FELLOWSHIP WITH GOD ARE NOT BROKEN.
“Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness… — Daniel 9:24
As a new covenant believer, you are righteous not only until your next sin. You have everlasting righteousness!
Since this is true then it is not of works, it is all God.
The PB fallacy began with thinking faith and repentance are works of man. Their next fallacy was that due to their former error the Gospel can't mean eternal salvation because it cannot be merited. Yet we know faith and repentance are works of God, not man, note Ezekiel 36:27. Then they took places in Scripture where God saved Israel from their enemies, referred to as salvation and conflated it with the eternal salvation via the Gospel.
Voila! a heresy was born.
The PB fallacy began with thinking faith and repentance are works of man. Their next fallacy was that due to their former error the Gospel can't mean eternal salvation because it cannot be merited. Yet we know faith and repentance are works of God, not man, note Ezekiel 36:27. Then they took places in Scripture where God saved Israel from their enemies, referred to as salvation and conflated it with the eternal salvation via the Gospel.
Voila! a heresy was born.
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