Are religious traditions and denominational doctrines pushing people further away from God's presence?
- Thread starter Miu
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
In a true gospel preaching denomination that isn't true. The problem is all of the major 7 sister denominations have been taken over by secular ministers there in order to get access to the money. Gary North wrote a book called "Crossed Fingers" documenting the take over of Presbyterian USA by 1932. That's when the last Christian minister in charge of a pot of money was defrocked to get access to that mission money. He stated all of the major denominations were taken over at the same time starting in the 1880s. Go to a Presbyterian USA church and see if you hear the gospel message. See if they even mention the work of Christ. With almost half of the population of the United States attending church only a splinter attending sub denominations ever hear the gospel message. This country has turned its back on God after being formed from Christian colonies into a Christian nation. God knowing the end from the beginning set the orbit of the moon to create eclipses crossing a country to condemn the country. In the past when this happened to a country it became very much diminished from what it was. The USA was crossed east to west with an eclipse and in 2024 an eclipse will cross the USA from northeast to southwest crossing 7 cities named Salem. Thus condemning the United States.
I believe most of them are for self gratification, especially the prosperity preachers.
I think that is why the Lord will soon again shake the earth, and heaven as well, in order to shake out all the phonies (Hebrews 12:26-27).
Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
I think that is why the Lord will soon again shake the earth, and heaven as well, in order to shake out all the phonies (Hebrews 12:26-27).
Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
-
2
-
1
- Show all
and Brazil 1959?
more historical eclipse maps found here:
https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEatlas/SEatlas.html#contemporary
more historical eclipse maps found here:
https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEatlas/SEatlas.html#contemporary
But WHY is it inevitable that stumbling blocks will come?
I've always wondered that.
We are told to be of ONE MIND. But how when not two christians on the planet agree? Holy Spirit is supposed to lead us into all truth, everyone claims to have the Holy Spirit and believes different things
Fun fun fun
SOMEBODY IS WRONG, how to know who?
We wouldnt be in this mess if everyone just agreed with me
I've always wondered that.
We are told to be of ONE MIND. But how when not two christians on the planet agree? Holy Spirit is supposed to lead us into all truth, everyone claims to have the Holy Spirit and believes different things
Fun fun funSOMEBODY IS WRONG, how to know who?
We wouldnt be in this mess if everyone just agreed with me
-
1
- Show all
Christians need to have a proper perspective about this, and not paint all churches with the same brush. So here are some spiritual truths which should always be kept in mind.
1. The parables of the Kingdom were given to us by Christ so that we would understand at the outset that within Christendom (the outward manifestation of the Kingdom) there would be wheat and tares, sheep and goats, good fish and bad fish, leaven to contaminate the whole lump, etc.
2. The letters to the seven churches were written in the first century to illustrate the truths of the parables. There were genuine Christians, and faithful Christians, side by side with apostates, false teachers, false prophets and prophetesses. That has not changed.
3. The Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24 etc) was given by Christ to warn us as to what we would see today -- apostasy within Christendom.
4. Paul in his epistles also prophesied about the future Great Apostasy, and it is all around us today.
This does not mean that there are no genuine and faithful Christians around. What it does mean is that we are to be constantly aware of what is happening within Christianity at this time and avoid being deceived, while doing what is right and righteous. Not merely finger-pointing.
Just a review of all the threads on CC and other Christian forums will show that false doctrines are growing at an alarming rate, and Christians must be diligent in studying the Word and then applying it.
1. The parables of the Kingdom were given to us by Christ so that we would understand at the outset that within Christendom (the outward manifestation of the Kingdom) there would be wheat and tares, sheep and goats, good fish and bad fish, leaven to contaminate the whole lump, etc.
2. The letters to the seven churches were written in the first century to illustrate the truths of the parables. There were genuine Christians, and faithful Christians, side by side with apostates, false teachers, false prophets and prophetesses. That has not changed.
3. The Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24 etc) was given by Christ to warn us as to what we would see today -- apostasy within Christendom.
4. Paul in his epistles also prophesied about the future Great Apostasy, and it is all around us today.
This does not mean that there are no genuine and faithful Christians around. What it does mean is that we are to be constantly aware of what is happening within Christianity at this time and avoid being deceived, while doing what is right and righteous. Not merely finger-pointing.
Just a review of all the threads on CC and other Christian forums will show that false doctrines are growing at an alarming rate, and Christians must be diligent in studying the Word and then applying it.
-
1
- Show all
Correct. The proper term is *Christendom*, which includes all the churches, good and bad. However *the Church* (as revealed in Scripture) is limited to those who are children of God by grace through faith, and washed in the blood of the Lamb. And every local church will not consist of all true believers. There will be wheat and tares in every local assembly. Only God knows the hearts.
The problem we face today is the big protestant denominations are secular. They don't preach the gospel message. Only the sub denominations preach it. Presbyterian USA is secular but Presbyterian PCA is a sub denomination still preaching the gospel message. It is much smaller than the USA one. The other protestant denominations have the same issue. There are independent churches that preach the gospel message as well. While almost half of the people in the US attend church only a fraction of them hear the gospel message.
-
1
- Show all
In the Greek original of the New Testament, there are only 2 words whose sum of the letters is 666. Both of these words refer to the two beasts of the 13th chapter of the book of Revelation.
tradition —
παράδοσιν
παράδοσις
π = 80
α = 1
ρ = 100
α = 1
δ = 4
ο = 70
σ = 200
ι = 10
ς = 200
______________
παράδοσις = 666
Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
(Matthew 15:1,2)
This is the second beast, it is similar to the Lamb, but persuades everyone to serve this world, that is, he persuades Christians to serve the first beast. This beast is a Christian religion in general.
The name of the first beast, according to the New Testament, is prosperity or wealth.
ευπορια (5 + 400 + 80 + 70 + 100 +10 + 1) = 666
prosperity (NASB) —
... these he gathered together with the workmen of similar trades, and said, "Men, you know that our prosperity depends upon this business. (Acts 19:25)
wealth (KJV) —
Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth. (Acts 19:25)
Hearing this word, the crowd of artisans who made idols, became furious, people became beasts:
If from human motives I fought with wild beasts at Ephesus <...> (1 Corinthians 15:32)
Of course, many denominations do not preach prosperity. Some denominations may even be prosecuted in some countries.
But the fact that instead of a single Church today we have denominations, testifies to the violation of the main commandment of God and Jesus Christ:
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD (Deuteronomy 6: 4)
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. (John 17:21 )
As you can see, the main obstacles that prevent people from believing in Jesus Christ are the denominations of the Christian religion.
tradition —
παράδοσιν
παράδοσις
π = 80
α = 1
ρ = 100
α = 1
δ = 4
ο = 70
σ = 200
ι = 10
ς = 200
______________
παράδοσις = 666
Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
(Matthew 15:1,2)
This is the second beast, it is similar to the Lamb, but persuades everyone to serve this world, that is, he persuades Christians to serve the first beast. This beast is a Christian religion in general.
The name of the first beast, according to the New Testament, is prosperity or wealth.
ευπορια (5 + 400 + 80 + 70 + 100 +10 + 1) = 666
prosperity (NASB) —
... these he gathered together with the workmen of similar trades, and said, "Men, you know that our prosperity depends upon this business. (Acts 19:25)
wealth (KJV) —
Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth. (Acts 19:25)
Hearing this word, the crowd of artisans who made idols, became furious, people became beasts:
If from human motives I fought with wild beasts at Ephesus <...> (1 Corinthians 15:32)
Of course, many denominations do not preach prosperity. Some denominations may even be prosecuted in some countries.
But the fact that instead of a single Church today we have denominations, testifies to the violation of the main commandment of God and Jesus Christ:
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD (Deuteronomy 6: 4)
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. (John 17:21 )
As you can see, the main obstacles that prevent people from believing in Jesus Christ are the denominations of the Christian religion.
Wow! Such cynicism! What I have found that works with regards to a church, is listen to if the message is Scriptural. But then, try to discern if the church has love. No matter how pure the doctrine, if it is not lived, practised, then it is no good at all.
But most important, examine your heart to see if you are walking close to God. Because we are the church, and the church can only function as well as each one of us walks with Christ.
So all of you pointing your fingers at the church, better realize the church is only as good as each one of us, and your pointing is pointing at you.
But most important, examine your heart to see if you are walking close to God. Because we are the church, and the church can only function as well as each one of us walks with Christ.
So all of you pointing your fingers at the church, better realize the church is only as good as each one of us, and your pointing is pointing at you.
-
2
-
1
- Show all