The Brexit Thread

[Miri]

Hi folks I don’t know how many are interested in Brexit, but for those who
are, or who have an opinion. I thought this thread might be useful.

To us in the UK, it’s a massive issue and also for those in the EU generally.
It’s pretty much a game changer which could have global implications long term.

So which ever way it goes for better or worse, it will be intereing to see how it
plays out.

There has been many calls for prayer about this in the UK among the churches and
as a introduction I would encourage people to pray about this that God’s will,
will be done regardless of individual opinions or divides on the matter.

 

[Miri]

I don’t profess to be an expert in the matter, but from what I can see
about it in the news. No one is an expert, it’s something which has never
happened before so the whole thing seems to be very much about trial
and error.

I personally think it will be hard for a few years but I’m glad.
Interestingly from the various evangelical Christians I have spoken to,
most seem to have voted for Brexit. In the same way most voted for
Trump - another game changer in the world.

The west is definately in a time of change!

As far as I can gather most evangelicals are or the same opinion, that
the EU is becoming a bit of a monster, gobbling up countries and the powers
that go with it along the way. With and more control being taken over by
Brussels. I think that’s one of the major reasons for the Brexit vote.

Anyway thus far, the Prime Minister has agreed a deal with the EU, which
seems to include transitional periods and concessions. She has to sell it
to the UKs own MPs and then the House of Lords I think.

If they reject the deal then quite honestly we would be looking at a no deal
from the sounds of it.

The MPs who wanted Brexit from the very start don’t seem happy with
the deal and say it gives the EU too much. So we will see.

Part of the complication has been the border between Northern and Southern
Ireand. SI will still be in the EU and Ireland as a whole wanted to avoid a
hard border between NI and SI. So the deal includes how best to deal with
that aspect, which seems to have impacted on the deal on the table generally.

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-...deal-is-done-so-what-has-been-agreed-11532342

 

[Gracie_14]

Finally! I was waiting for this! And Miri...what an excellent thread you have made. And you have said it all!

Though, the matter at hand is quite somber...right now...I'm very upset with the way PM May is dealing with this issue...her Brexit deal seems to still keep us captive to the EU...It's clear she's not in the business of getting us out completely of the EU.

 

[JaumeJ]

All the nations seem to be fulfilling a death wish……….the UK is no exception.

 

[Miri]

Finally! I was waiting for this! And Miri...what an excellent thread you have made. And you have said it all!

Though, the matter at hand is quite somber...right now...I'm very upset with the way PM May is dealing with this issue...her Brexit deal seems to still keep us captive to the EU...It's clear she's not in the business of getting us out completely of the EU.

It’s really hard to understand isn’t it.
I think the parties are so taken up with point scoring and trying to prove each other wrong. That no one seems to be giving the full picture. Certainly no one is unbiased. So it leaves the public and business not knowing what to think or who to believe.

Brexit is too big an issue to leave “children in the playground to fight over and name call”

Personally I would like to see all the parties work together for the best deal. Wouldn’t that be a novelty!

 

[Miri]

If no deal Brexit - disruption at Dover could last 6 months. Government is asking public services to look at contingency plans.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46480374


I know this might seem unchristian. But I’ve been buying a few bits extra each week with the grocery shopping. Things which will keep, toiletries, tea, coffee, rice, pasta, other tinned goods especially tinned fruit and veg, bread mixes to make bread at home. There are various figures floating around that the UK only produces around half of its own fruit and veg with the rest imported.

At best it will be good for winter if we have a bad winter again. At worst if Brexit goes wrong there will be stores at home we can use or give out to family.

I probably wouldn’t bother if it was just myself I can live off water and fast for a few days at a time if worse came to the worst!

I am more bothered about my elder aunt though.

 

[JaumeJ]

If no deal Brexit - disruption at Dover could last 6 months. Government is asking public services to look at contingency plans.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46480374


I know this might seem unchristian. But I’ve been buying a few bits extra each week with the grocery shopping. Things which will keep, toiletries, tea, coffee, rice, pasta, other tinned goods especially tinned fruit and veg, bread mixes to make bread at home. There are various figures floating around that the UK only produces around half of its own fruit and veg with the rest imported.

At best it will be good for winter if we have a bad winter again. At worst if Brexit goes wrong there will be stores at home we can use or give out to family.

I probably wouldn’t bother if it was just myself I can live off water and fast for a few days at a time if worse came to the worst!

I am more bothered about my elder aunt though.

Joseph advised Pharoah and Egypt stocked up and sved in silos for seven fat years in order to get thruogh the seven lean. I do not think it wrong to ever stock up. I know in my family, if something with a long shelf life was on sale we always bught extra and put it in the cupboard. This is wisdom and not greed.

As for bread, I have been making my own for some time, mostly unleavened but also yeast bread. Yo do what your heart leads yo to do in the sight of god, and all will be well...……...God bless youllllllm

 

[tanakh]

I don’t profess to be an expert in the matter, but from what I can see
about it in the news. No one is an expert, it’s something which has never
happened before so the whole thing seems to be very much about trial
and error.

I personally think it will be hard for a few years but I’m glad.
Interestingly from the various evangelical Christians I have spoken to,
most seem to have voted for Brexit. In the same way most voted for
Trump - another game changer in the world.

The west is definately in a time of change!

As far as I can gather most evangelicals are or the same opinion, that
the EU is becoming a bit of a monster, gobbling up countries and the powers
that go with it along the way. With and more control being taken over by
Brussels. I think that’s one of the major reasons for the Brexit vote.

Anyway thus far, the Prime Minister has agreed a deal with the EU, which
seems to include transitional periods and concessions. She has to sell it
to the UKs own MPs and then the House of Lords I think.

If they reject the deal then quite honestly we would be looking at a no deal
from the sounds of it.

The MPs who wanted Brexit from the very start don’t seem happy with
the deal and say it gives the EU too much. So we will see.

Part of the complication has been the border between Northern and Southern
Ireand. SI will still be in the EU and Ireland as a whole wanted to avoid a
hard border between NI and SI. So the deal includes how best to deal with
that aspect, which seems to have impacted on the deal on the table generally.

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-...deal-is-done-so-what-has-been-agreed-11532342

I voted for Brexit. I actually voted against the common Market entry in 1975 . It looks like Teresa Mays deal is the only game in town.
which is not satisfactory but no one has come up with anything better. If Parliament rejects it we are in dire straits. Apart from Brexit
we could be faced with a general election and a Marxist government as a result. We can then all say goodbye to Brexit forever and
end up like Venezuela which Jeremy Corbyne called a socialist paradise

 

[tanakh]

Oe answer could be to clone Nigel Farage. He could then stand in every constituency and form a government!!

 

[Miri]

I voted for Brexit. I actually voted against the common Market entry in 1975 . It looks like Teresa Mays deal is the only game in town.
which is not satisfactory but no one has come up with anything better. If Parliament rejects it we are in dire straits. Apart from Brexit
we could be faced with a general election and a Marxist government as a result. We can then all say goodbye to Brexit forever and
end up like Venezuela which Jeremy Corbyne called a socialist paradise

I voted Brexit as well. Honestly I think we are doomed if
Corbyn ever got in, it wouldn’t even matter which party he led. He
shouldn’t be in charge of any party.

 

[oldethennew]

Miri,
you have good cause to worry, WW11 is not that far-back in history -
but, no matter the 'plans of men', God is our Refuge...

 

[Miri]

One of the things that has really shocked me during all this, is
how entwined we have become with the EU. I can’t but help think
of a weed shooting out tendrils everywhere suffocating and wrapping
itself around everything it comes into contact with.

You almost cannot sneeze without permission from the EU and following
EU laws about how to sneeze. When the common market was set up I
really don’t think anyone saw all this coming. It’s not just about easy
trading between countries any more. It’s about Brussels taking over
control of every country, it’s finances, laws, security services, culture.

I just hope it’s not too late to untangle ourselves from all of this. I fear even if
Brexit doesn’t go ahead, the UK will still suffer under the hands of the EU for
even daring to try to break free.

 

[JaumeJ]

How the times and people change. Tghe US began as thirteen colonies, while the ret was either Indian territories or lands inhabited by French and Spanish.
Some of the areas ere simply purchased while the rest was absorbed. Many of the states became so by their own volition.

I suppose this would never hav occurred witht he attitudes and ways of man today...it is a mystery.

 

[Miri]

How the times and people change. Tghe US began as thirteen colonies, while the ret was either Indian territories or lands inhabited by French and Spanish.
Some of the areas ere simply purchased while the rest was absorbed. Many of the states became so by their own volition.

I suppose this would never hav occurred witht he attitudes and ways of man today...it is a mystery.

I’m not sure it’s the same thing? But to be honest I don’t know enough about the
way the United states was formed to make a judgement. I got the impression though
it was for Godly reasons by Godly men? Or is that wrong?

With the EU every country is a separate country with its own language, government,
culture, economy, criminal justice system, laws, religion etc.
The common market was just suppose to make trade between the countries
easier. But it’s now reached the point where countries are expected to relinquish
their rights to govern themselves. 70% of UK laws include EU legislation.

 

[JaumeJ]

I’m not sure it’s the same thing? But to be honest I don’t know enough about the
way the United states was formed to make a judgement. I got the impression though
it was for Godly reasons by Godly men? Or is that wrong?

With the EU every country is a separate country with its own language, government,
culture, economy, criminal justice system, laws, religion etc.
The common market was just suppose to make trade between the countries
easier. But it’s now reached the point where countries are expected to relinquish
their rights to govern themselves. 70% of UK laws include EU legislation.

Man is always pretty much the same. The westward movement, settlement or whatever you want to call it was an encroachment in many ways of the territories anc labeled with the right of a manifest destiny.

Actually, much like the wars and invasions of the past two decades it was pretty much based on the pocketbooks of many. In the US before entering into Iraq under the second Bush in the pretense of destroying the weapons of mass destruction, which anyone with any sense at all knew that was not possible, people in the US were talking about how after the "war" the barrel of oil would be cheap with gasoline prices tumulting and everyone would be so much better off...........that never occurred.

People in the US were saying after the war is over they were going to go evangelize and convert the people of Iraq...…..I do not see this happening yet.

At the time the UK entered into the EU, many thought they would also be much better off, and in this it was true. I live in Spain where I receive the best mdical attention I have seen since the 50's in the US. The majority of foreign residents where I live are English, and I see them when I go for my regular pre-op attention and more. The agreements within the EU afford very good medical care no matter which EU country an EU resident is in, and this is one of the most humanitatian systems I have ever seen, ever, and I have seen many social medicine services in many cuntries before there was an eU .

The bottom line is these formations are often as not based on the greed of the participants while many others have altruistic motives.

I hear UK leadership from here speaking as though once Brexit is a reality everyone will be well off.......... I follow the current events in the eUK from here, can't help it, I listne to English language radio, and it is run by English people, and since the Brexit cam into being negociated, the incredible migration of many important industries has knocke up thenumber of unemploye, not to mention the many traditionally British manufacturers that moved to other countries, even to Spain, in the intirim period since the entry into the Eu. This is not progress, nor is it good leadership.

I am neither left nor right, but I do believe people should admit to what they know and see instead of buryng their heads. This seems to be the rule around the world today.

By the way, the number one power in the world soday is China. I speak in terms of world economic leadership......... This has been true for some time, but people love the past glories that never were.

 

[Miri]

I really don’t know how Brexit will pan out, no one does it’s never happened before.

Although oddly since Brexit was announced employment rate has gone down.
This is just my opinion but I suspect this is due to the government welfare cuts
and child benefit cuts rather than Brexit. More people are now working but a lot
of those jobs are part time and zero hours contracts.

Some companies say they will pull out of the UK, others have pledged to stay.
Some business leaders are getting excited about trading with other countries
outside of the EU (which they are not free to do at present due to EU laws),
while others are saying we will be doomed if we can’t trade with the EU.

Truth is no one knows on that one.

I’m not sure about the medical health outside of the UK, do other EU countries
pay for own health care? I thought they did.

The media over here has had several large news stories about medical tourism
to the UK, where people, especially pregnant women come to the UK, have their
babies free, then return back to their own EU country. Although from what I can see
partly it’s due to the lax attention to detail of the NHS, in failing to bill people and
chase up debts. Although maybe it’s impossible to recover money ones people have
returned to their own country.

There was a massive issue uncovered, where people where coming to the UK,
registering with a GP and given a UK address. Getting a green card, then weeks
later returning to their own country with this green card abd getting all their
medical bills paid for by the NHS. Again though that’s an issue with the NHS for
being so gullible.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/unemployment/timeseries/mgsx/lms

 

[JaumeJ]

I really don’t know how Brexit will pan out, no one does it’s never happened before.

Although oddly since Brexit was announced employment rate has gone down.
This is just my opinion but I suspect this is due to the government welfare cuts
and child benefit cuts rather than Brexit. More people are now working but a lot
of those jobs are part time and zero hours contracts.

Some companies say they will pull out of the UK, others have pledged to stay.
Some business leaders are getting excited about trading with other countries
outside of the EU (which they are not free to do at present due to EU laws),
while others are saying we will be doomed if we can’t trade with the EU.

Truth is no one knows on that one.

I’m not sure about the medical health outside of the UK, do other EU countries
pay for own health care? I thought they did.

The media over here has had several large news stories about medical tourism
to the UK, where people, especially pregnant women come to the UK, have their
babies free, then return back to their own EU country. Although from what I can see
partly it’s due to the lax attention to detail of the NHS, in failing to bill people and
chase up debts. Although maybe it’s impossible to recover money ones people have
returned to their own country.

There was a massive issue uncovered, where people where coming to the UK,
registering with a GP and given a UK address. Getting a green card, then weeks
later returning to their own country with this green card abd getting all their
medical bills paid for by the NHS. Again though that’s an issue with the NHS for
being so gullible.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/unemployment/timeseries/mgsx/lms

That is ironic about the people coming to the UK for certain medical attention in view of the fact that many Spanish say the British come to Spain on Medical vacations in order to have the Spanish system care for them…...…..this may be the case rarely but the truth is many UK citizens come to Spain to retire and it is only natural they have their medical attntion here. I know better, and most Spaniards are quite well awre better, but there is always that percenage of ignorance in every country...….do not say it is not there, cecause it is.

 

[Miri]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46515743

Brexit vote delayed

 

[tanakh]

Finally! I was waiting for this! And Miri...what an excellent thread you have made. And you have said it all!

Though, the matter at hand is quite somber...right now...I'm very upset with the way PM May is dealing with this issue...her Brexit deal seems to still keep us captive to the EU...It's clear she's not in the business of getting us out completely of the EU.

The latest news is that there is going to be a leadership challenge. Mrs Mays days may be numbered. The plot thickens!

 

[JaumeJ]

We need more decisive leaders, not immature name-calling types. That latter type is popping up all over the world., as though politics is being replaced with the uneducated……. Common sense and a little bit of formal education is a good start.