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GraceAndTruth

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I see. So you're saying that because I don't understand the Bible perfectly, it means I don't have the holy spirit?
Read my post again. This may be the problem, you don't quite understand what you read.
 

GraceAndTruth

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Yes,there is a theology called replacement theology. The church is the church and Israel is Israel. They are not one and the same. God still has promises He will keep regarding Israel.
"Replacement theology" exists because someone made up the phrase. Someone who fails to see the beauty of God's people to be ONE in Christ Jesus.........looks to me like that person is anti-semite.
 
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One of the great doctrinal lies of our times.
Actually not......and all that peddle a salvation that can be lost have no faith, trust or hope in Christ.....they also devalue, degrade and make Christ into an inept liar that cannot keep his word while peddling a self help guru false I keep myself saved lie......a good form of slavery peddled by false religions at the end of the day.
 
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The prodigal son Had to Return to His father and acknowledge his sin.. If the prodigal son had never come back and died in that foreign land he would have never received an inheritance..

Some people abandon the Father and never come back..
At one point did the pridigal SON quit being a SON BY BIRTH.....NEVER!
 
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"Replacement theology" exists because someone made up the phrase. Someone who fails to see the beauty of God's people to be ONE in Christ Jesus.........looks to me like that person is anti-semite.
No, replacement theology came from anti-Semitism. Please read history. Both the Catholic and Protestant churches were guilty of it, saying the Jews were no longer Gods chosen people.
 

GraceAndTruth

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the problem with all the "every Christian MUST believe . . ." philosophies is they always come from man and never come from Jesus.
IMO when your faith hinges on what other people believe rather than what you believe, you might want to re think what you believe in.
Jesus said you MUST be born again
..........being born again comes from above, the quickening of mans' spirit, (to quicken means to being to life that which was dead)
Jesus said......."I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life and noone comes to the Father except by ME."
 

GraceAndTruth

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No, replacement theology came from anti-Semitism. Please read history. Both the Catholic and Protestant churches were guilty of it, saying the Jews were no longer Gods chosen people.
try reading a bible....start with Romans
 

GraceAndTruth

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What idiot would believe that Gentiles JOININIG with Jews as believers In Christ Jesus would be "anti-semitic? ROFL
 
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Yes i know the standard response from people who believe in OSAS.. I have dealt with this topic literally hundereds of times in forums.. Anyone who falls away from Christ never was with Christ in the first place... Thats the standard calvinist response.. But if you are going to fall away from Christ one has to have been with Christ at some stage..

The parable of the sower shows that many receive the Gospel only to later on fall away from the truth..

The Parable and the explanation from Jesus:

Matthew 13: KJV
3 "And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; {4} And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up: {5} Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: {6} And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. {7} And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them: {8} But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. {9} Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

{10} And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? {11} He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. {12} For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. {13} Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. {14} And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: {15} For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. {16} But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. {17} For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

{18} ¶ Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. {19} When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. {20} But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; {21} Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. {22} He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. {23} But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty."
You cannot even get the parable right........get your facts straight before you peddle something false because of spirital indifference and bias!
 
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The prodigal already recieved his inheritance, he came back to his father with wood hay and straw, (empty) yet he was always his fathers son.
It is utterly amazing and ignorant at the same time....that religionists, cainologists, salvation losers and Pharisess actually believe that one can quit being a son by birth..........I have yet to find one logical, spiirtual truth that states or teaches that my son by birth can do something that will change the fact that he is my son by birth...........that view personifies the word ignorance and goes beyond any logical, cognitive process!
 

GraceAndTruth

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Sower and the seed parable shows man cannot save himself thru any of his efforts, but only the seed SOWN BY GOD will be harvested, the rest are burned up........chaff, tares.
MArk 4
14. The sower soweth the word.
15. And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; and when they have heard, straighway cometh Satan, and taketh away the word which hath been sown in them.
16. And these in like manner are they that are sown upon the rocky places, who, when they have heard the word, straightway receive it with joy;
17. and they have no root in themselves, but endure for a while; then, when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, straightway they stumble.
18. And others are they that are sown among the thorns; these are they that have heard the word,
19. and the cares of the world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
20. And those are they that were sown upon the good ground; such as hear the word, and accept it, and bear fruit, thirtyfold, and sixtyfold, and a hundredfold.
 

GraceAndTruth

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It is utterly amazing and ignorant at the same time....that religionists, cainologists, salvation losers and Pharisess actually believe that one can quit being a son by birth..........I have yet to find one logical, spiirtual truth that states or teaches that my son by birth can do something that will change the fact that he is my son by birth...........that view personifies the word ignorance and goes beyond any logical, cognitive process!
COULD IT BE THEY ARE NOT BORN AGAIN?? o_O
 
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And this has been responded to as many times as you have posted it

You have an omniscient God giving people who do not have true faith, his eternal life, KNOWING he will have to take it back later.

Nope. Not gonna happen.
Not to mention their Jesus is not the Jesus of the bible.....the one of the bible actually keeps his promises, remains true to his word and states clearly that he will finish and complete the work of faith he began, while saving to the uttermost, keeping by his power and giving the IRREVOCABLE gift of everlasting life....

Salvation losers, cainologists and workers for that must maintain the GIFT have rejected, denied and flat stomped on the truths above while counting the blood of Christ ineffectual....no faith, no hope and no trust in the scriptures!
 

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No, replacement theology came from anti-Semitism. Please read history. Both the Catholic and Protestant churches were guilty of it, saying the Jews were no longer Gods chosen people.
It was very early on. In fact there is nothing BUT "replacement theology" in the early church fathers.
1st 2nd 3rd 4th etc centuries.

This is because of many reasons, but a few include:
1. The Apostles applied verses about Israel to the Church.
2. Church is called Abraham's seed by faith and inheriting the promises
3. The Jews were persecuting early christians, so its natural for there to be some tention
4. When the temple was destroyed in AD70 many Christians looked at it like "Hey wow, its over for these guys. We are it!"

I have stated my view in the past: I believe Jesus to be the ultimate FULFILLMENT of Israel. Out of Egypt I have called my son.

I believe that before the second coming, there will be a mass conversion of jews according to the flesh and they will be added to the Lord's church, just like on the day of pentecost.
 
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jaybird88

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Jesus said you MUST be born again
..........being born again comes from above, the quickening of mans' spirit, (to quicken means to being to life that which was dead)
Jesus said......."I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life and noone comes to the Father except by ME."
i agree with what Jesus said. man has a habit of twisting these teachings to their own agendas.
 

PennEd

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i agree with what Jesus said. man has a habit of twisting these teachings to their own agendas.
Am I right in saying you don't believe Jesus is God, or am I mistaking you for someone else?
 
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Gods Words are Eternal, He doesn't make mistakes - His 'covenants' are built upon one another -
the Noahic covenant, the Abrahamic covenant the covenant with Moses, and the 'New Covenant',
are all inter-woven and part of God's plan...

His Word is settled 'forever', in heaven...
 
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kaylagrl

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What idiot would believe that Gentiles JOININIG with Jews as believers In Christ Jesus would be "anti-semitic? ROFL
How old are you? Idiot?! Name calling now? Come on Grace, grow up. I said the replacement theory was anti-Semitic. You're a very angry person.