Are there two gospels or ONE?

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I got some really bad news.
Paul preached the kingdom of God.


Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Colossians 4:11
And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.

1 Thessalonians 2:12
That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.

2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
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2 Timothy 4:1
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
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2 Timothy 4:18
And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
 
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Rightlydivided said:
Only one way sir, Oprah teaches many ways


1 Corinthians 15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
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I got saved through Jesus

What way do you suggest besides Jesus?
 
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Absolutely said:
I got some really bad news.
Paul preached the kingdom of God.


Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Colossians 4:11
And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.

1 Thessalonians 2:12
That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.

2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2 Timothy 4:1
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2 Timothy 4:18
And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
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Yep! The kingdom of God, not the kingdom of heaven the disciples preached which was directed only to the Jews concerning their promised earthly kingdom.
 
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Absolutely said:
I got some really bad news.
Paul preached the kingdom of God.
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I stated way back in an earlier post, that "the kingdom of God" encompasses a wider view (whereas "the kingdom of the heavens" is the "promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom," [commencing upon His "RETURN" there], and will involve Israel after their "blindness... UNTIL" present status is lifted).
 
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Absolutely said:
I got some really bad news.
Paul preached the kingdom of God.


Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Colossians 4:11
And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.

1 Thessalonians 2:12
That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.

2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2 Timothy 4:1
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2 Timothy 4:18
And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
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Paul preaching the kingdom
Romans 14:17
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

1 Corinthians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
 
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John146 said:
Yep! The kingdom of God, not the kingdom of heaven the disciples preached which was directed only to the Jews concerning their promised earthly kingdom.
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..........

This distinction has been DISPROVEN SO MANY TIMES.

Jesus used kingdom of heaven and Kingdom of God INTERCHANGEABLY. The same thing

Repent for the kingdom of heaven ......... repent for the kingdom of God...........

Here it is again:


Matthew 19:23-24 King James Version (KJV)
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

A quote from GotQuestions:

"Mark and Luke used “kingdom of God” where Matthew used “kingdom of heaven” frequently in parallel accounts of the same parable Compare Matthew 11:11-12 with Luke 7:28; Matthew 13:11with Mark 4:11 and Luke 8:10; Matthew 13:24 with Mark 4:26; Matthew 13:31 with Mark 4:30 and Luke 13:18; Matthew 13:33 with Luke 13:20; Matthew 18:3 with Mark 10:14 and Luke 18:16; and Matthew 22:2 with Luke 13:29. In each instance, Matthew used the phrase “kingdom of heaven” while Mark and/or Luke used “kingdom of God.” Clearly, the two phrases refer to the same thing. "

Source: https://www.gotquestions.org/kingdom-heaven-God.html
 
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2Cor5:18-19 [blb] (speaking of "the NT apostles and prophets") -

"Now all things are of God, the One having reconciled us to Himself through Christ, and having given to us the ministry of reconciliation:
how that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not reckoning their trespasses to them, and having put into us the word [G3056] of reconciliation."
 
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Hevosmies said:
..........

This distinction has been DISPROVEN SO MANY TIMES.

Jesus used kingdom of heaven and Kingdom of God INTERCHANGEABLY. The same thing

Repent for the kingdom of heaven ......... repent for the kingdom of God...........

Here it is again:


Matthew 19:23-24 King James Version (KJV)
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

A quote from GotQuestions:

"Mark and Luke used “kingdom of God” where Matthew used “kingdom of heaven” frequently in parallel accounts of the same parable Compare Matthew 11:11-12 with Luke 7:28; Matthew 13:11with Mark 4:11 and Luke 8:10; Matthew 13:24 with Mark 4:26; Matthew 13:31 with Mark 4:30 and Luke 13:18; Matthew 13:33 with Luke 13:20; Matthew 18:3 with Mark 10:14 and Luke 18:16; and Matthew 22:2 with Luke 13:29. In each instance, Matthew used the phrase “kingdom of heaven” while Mark and/or Luke used “kingdom of God.” Clearly, the two phrases refer to the same thing. "

Source: https://www.gotquestions.org/kingdom-heaven-God.html
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I would advise to not get any theology from got questions.

Both were taught. The restoration of the kingdom of Israel is the kingdom of heaven. Do you not believe the promises God has promised to Israel?
 
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Rightlydivided said:
TheDivineWatermark said:^ [to kaylagrl] Well, I think some [here and elsewhere] have a different idea of what they mean when mentioning "two gospels," but my own explanation is in Post #6 (and other posts) of this thread, and has to do with "sequence" and "timing" (they are not all proclaimed in the same period of time ["this present age [singular]"... versus... "the end [singular] of the age [singular], [that they were standing in and speaking out from, before His death, at that time]," for example)
[I see someone else beat me to it! :D ]
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That may be the most respectful response, on an opposing view that I have seen yet!
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Rightlydivided said:
That may be the most respectful response, on an opposing view that I have seen yet!
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Glad to know it, thanks. :)

In all fairness, people aren't always fully aware of just what it is they are "opposing" ;)

Kinda like how some hear "ONE BAPTISM" and then listening to others who expound on that verse say that the "one baptism" [they read, one and only baptism] is obviously water, because... you know, Jesus Himself was baptized in the Jordan (water)...
 
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John146 said:
I would advise to not get any theology from got questions.

Both were taught. The restoration of the kingdom of Israel is the kingdom of heaven. Do you not believe the promises God has promised to Israel?
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I believe all the promises sure

But show me WHERE does it say the kingdom of heaven is the kingdom of Israel restored? Sounds like some hyper-dispensational stuff again. oy vey.
 
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TheDivineWatermark said:
Glad to know it, thanks. :)

In all fairness, people aren't always fully aware of just what it is they are "opposing" ;)

Kinda like how some hear "ONE BAPTISM" and then listening to others who expound on that verse say that the "one baptism" [they read, one and only baptism] is obviously water, because... you know, Jesus Himself was baptized in the Jordan (water)...
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Amen to that.
 
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Absolutely said:
And look up where he said " you have heard it is said in the law.....,BUT I SAY"

Presenting one side is not truth
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[quoting Gaebelein's commentary on Matthew; source: Bible Hub; Sermon on the Mount]

"And now after He had confirmed the law and made known its immutability, He begins to teach that surpassing righteousness which He demands. He teaches the law in its fullest and deepest spiritual meaning. Here we see all the majesty of the King and the lawgiver. Six times He says “I say unto you.” It is divine “I” of Jehovah, who speaks. And as He speaks here and sends forth the expansions of the law, so will He speak again. Out of Zion shall go forth the law and the Word of the law from Jerusalem (Isaiah 2:3). And when that time comes, then surely righteousness and peace will kiss each other, and Israel, new-born, having the laws in their inmost parts and written in their hearts and the Spirit upon them, will walk in His statutes, and nations will be converted.

"Not alone does He show in these expansions of the law, in declaring the true righteousness, His divine authority, but He uncovers the human heart and shows its deep corruption and the hopelessness that the natural man could ever attain to such a righteousness. It condemns every human being. As mentioned before, thousands of unsaved persons, Jews and Gentiles have made this first discourse of our Lord in the Gospel of Matthew the standard for what they call “their religion.” It is a sad statement which is now heard from all sides: “The sermon on the mount is my creed,” or “Our preacher preaches only from the Gospels and the sermon on the mount, and never touches the Old Testament or the Epistles” (this was told us), etc. Are these people really honest, and do they know the cutting words of our Lord, words like a two-edged sword, penetrating to the division of soul and spirit, a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart? If they read and are sincere they find themselves all uncovered and naked before Him whose eyes are like flames of fire, before whom indeed all things are naked and laid bare. The words show the sinner his ruin and his corruption. Condemnation comes from every word to the natural man."

--Gaebelein, Matthew Commentary

[end quoting; bold and underline mine]
 
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preacher4truth said:
Dallas Theological Seminary. Lot's of heresy has come through there via Lewis Sperry Chafer, Zane Hodges and more. Chafer began it with his false dichotomy of a believer/disciple and his false gospel of no repentance.
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Wasn’t Dr. Tommy Ice, from DTS, the one who taught multiple resurrections in the book of Revelation?
 
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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
Wasn’t Dr. Tommy Ice, from DTS, the one who taught multiple resurrections in the book of Revelation?
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Are you speaking of "resurrection"? or "rapture" (like Absolutely/poster is)?

Because "the dead in Christ shall rise first" before we [if still alive] are then "caught up together with [G4862] them" (AS ONE) in our "Rapture".

and 1Cor15:23's "[re: 'resurrection'] but each IN HIS OWN ORDER" is showing that there doesn't remain only ONE (the 2W, for example, are not "resurrected" ('stood upon their feet') at the same time that any others are, yet they are also saints/believers/saved persons... resurrected at the time of the "6th Trumpet [events]/2nd Woe" time frame... distinct from when the Rev20:4 ppl are).

Just curious as to which you mean (regarding Dr Ice). Thanks.
 
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