Interpreting Divine Scripture.

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Scotth1960

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Friends, Here is a reading on "interpreting divine Scripture".

"1. Reading the Divine Scripture is salutary for one only if one reads it with reverence and turn to the God-bearing fathers of the Church for interpretation (2 Pet. 3:16). ...
"3. It is absolutely necessary for the Scripture to be read in context, set out with parallels. This is a major deficiency of the Protestant religion: that it takes Christian Scripture out of context, using often highly incorrect translations to begin with, separating it from its original meaning, and forcing preconceived notions or ideas upon it.
4. In order to avoid errors, one ought to verify one's understanding of Scripture with people whom the Lord has placed in the Church to teach (Eph. 4:11-12). If some passage is difficult to understand, make a note of it and ask your parish presbyter to explain it whenever possible. The Scripture does not make it compulsory that everyone understand everything (1 Cor. 14:38). The Scripture itself refers to the impossibility of everyone quickly understanding it (Wisdom 3:21; Wisdom 38:24-25)." [pages 13-14:The Point of Faith Handboook. Point of Faith Number 1. Synaxis Press, The Canadian Orthodox Publishing House, 37323 Hawkins Rd. Dewdney, BC V0M-1H0, Canada.].

In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington


 

cookie39

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First of all, the scriptures are not to be interprated by no man, it is given in revelation of the Holy Spirit... if it be that he dwells in you.... ASK GOD, about God... sometimes he may give you an answer through man... or directly between you and the Holy Spirit... no matter where it comes from or who it comes through... We better know it is from the Lord himself... giving man no credit for what God reveals to us. When I read the Word of God I sit at his feet to learn of Him.... even if in a building or on tv.... I receive nothing from no man who is not allowing the Lord to use him as a vessel... in other words... their mouth... Holy Ghost speaking the Lord's truth and revelations.... Need to get with the only and best teacher.. '' The Holy Spirit of God'' He will lead you and guide you into ALL TRUTH... Thank you Holy Spirit..in Jesus Name..
 

cookie39

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Without the Holy Ghost being the only one true teacher and guide.... when it comes to sound doctrine; Man will believe everything ... And Fall for Nothing....
I hope this is seen through the heart.... The Word of God is Spirit and a Carnal mind or heart will never be able to understand when the Lord is speking by it. Let your spirit be led by God's Spirit and you will as Apostle Paul said to Timothy... you need not that no man teach you; and what he said about himself, No man taught him nothing it was giving to him by REVELATION of Jesus Christ.... Just seek God... man can and will lead astray.. even if it is not their intention to do so. Seek the Holy Ghost... then he will either receive or reject for you those things that are true or untrue. you will know it if you put your trust in the Lord alone... and not man. it might not be your pastor , it may come in a book or another preacher.. no metter what God will only give the truth to those who SEEK HIM for it. God bless all who seek his Holy word to walk in them with a sincere heart.
 
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First of all, the scriptures are not to be interprated by no man, it is given in revelation of the Holy Spirit... if it be that he dwells in you.... ASK GOD, about God... sometimes he may give you an answer through man... or directly between you and the Holy Spirit... no matter where it comes from or who it comes through... We better know it is from the Lord himself... giving man no credit for what God reveals to us. When I read the Word of God I sit at his feet to learn of Him.... even if in a building or on tv.... I receive nothing from no man who is not allowing the Lord to use him as a vessel... in other words... their mouth... Holy Ghost speaking the Lord's truth and revelations.... Need to get with the only and best teacher.. '' The Holy Spirit of God'' He will lead you and guide you into ALL TRUTH... Thank you Holy Spirit..in Jesus Name..
Hi

Where did Jesus pbuh say that the scriptures can only be interpreted through the Holy Spirit ?
 
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First of all, the scriptures are not to be interprated by no man, it is given in revelation of the Holy Spirit... if it be that he dwells in you.... ASK GOD, about God... sometimes he may give you an answer through man... or directly between you and the Holy Spirit... no matter where it comes from or who it comes through... We better know it is from the Lord himself... giving man no credit for what God reveals to us. When I read the Word of God I sit at his feet to learn of Him.... even if in a building or on tv.... I receive nothing from no man who is not allowing the Lord to use him as a vessel... in other words... their mouth... Holy Ghost speaking the Lord's truth and revelations.... Need to get with the only and best teacher.. '' The Holy Spirit of God'' He will lead you and guide you into ALL TRUTH... Thank you Holy Spirit..in Jesus Name..


How are the 30,000 different denominations of christianity explained by this?

How are some denominations for or against tongues?
How are there different denominations for and against the rapture?
For and against faith vs works?
Calvinism and Arminiaism
Baptism and baptism of the Holy spirit?


Seems like if the holy spirit was one unified thing, it would be telling mankind the same universal message, to all believers. Funnily enough this is not the case?
 
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Interpeting Scripture REMAINS IN fACT THE wORK OF THE hOLY sPIRIT SO i WOULD GUESS AN ENTIRE wORLD cHURCH IS OUT-OF-BUSINESS THOUGH IT MAY CONTINUE IN fOLLY TO SMETHING OTHER THAN THE tRUTH tHE tRUTH ABOUT OUR lORD THE sAME yESTERDAY tODAY AND fOREVER IS THAT none SHOULD PERISH AND SO FOLLOW jOHN 3:15,16 rEAL FLAMES OF HELL MAY RISE UP AROUND YOU BUT hE SAYS believe IN hIS sON cRUCUFIED AND NOW PREPARING OUR hOMES IN hEAVEN YOU shall BE SAVE yOUR MOTIVE IN PRESENTING THE QUESTION IS ONLY KNOWN BY THE Same Gos in His Son waitin ONLY to Forgive and Forget FOR Which He shed His own Blood!
 
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Scotth1960

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Hi

Where did Jesus pbuh say that the scriptures can only be interpreted through the Holy Spirit ?



Dear PBUH, In John 16:13, Jesus Christ said the Holy Spirit would lead His sheep into all truth. So, the Spirit is necessary for understanding the Bible, because, as Christ said, "without Me you can do nothing" (John 15). Without the Spirit of Christ we can do no thing. Sincerely, Scott
 
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Crazy4GODword

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Shalom to Scotth

I agree
 
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Scotth1960

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First of all, the scriptures are not to be interprated by no man, it is

given in revelation of the Holy Spirit... if it be that he dwells in you.... ASK GOD, about God...

sometimes he may give you an answer through man... or directly between you and the

Holy Spirit... no matter where it comes from or who it comes through... We better know it

is from the Lord himself... giving man no credit for what God reveals to us. When I read the

Word of God I sit at his feet to learn of Him.... even if in a building or on tv.... I receive

nothing from no man who is not allowing the Lord to use him as a vessel... in other words...

their mouth... Holy Ghost speaking the Lord's truth and revelations.... Need to get with the

only and best teacher.. '' The Holy Spirit of God'' He will lead you and guide you into ALL

TRUTH... Thank you Holy Spirit..in Jesus Name..

Dear cookie39, and other Christian Chat friends,

Consider the following example from Bill Muehlenberg's column.

"Culture Watch Bill Muehlenberg's commentary on issues of the day ...

"Creedless Christianity"

"This phrase has a neat ring to it, especially to some Protestants. It certainly sounds

very spiritual. It is often used as a kind of religious one-upmanship: "You have all your

creeds and doctrines, but I am a "Jesus-Only Christian" or a "Bible-Only Christian".

"The idea is that the individual believer alone can know all biblical truth, and there is no

need for theology, doctrine, denominations, creeds, Christian history, or even the rest

of the Body of Christ. "No creed but Christ" has been a popular rallying cry for some of

these Christians, especially in America during the past few centuries.

"As one American Pentecostal preacher put it last century, "Brother, I know no creed

but Christ, no law but love, and no book but the Bible". And as one head of a Bible College

put it in the mid-nineteenth century, "I have endeavored to read the Scriptures as

though no one had read them before me".

"Now the problem with this sort of thinking is that there is of course some truth contained

in it. We all know of some believers who are all head and no heart. We all know of lifeless

Christianity where mere intellectualism has crowded out the Spirit-filled life.

"We all know of churches and Bible schools where theology reigns supreme but there is

little spiritual life and vitality. We all know of people who put the mind on a pedestal to

the exclusion of all else. We all know of dead orthodoxy and lifeless Christianity.

"But sadly, as is so often the case in church history, we rush away from one problematic

extreme, only to rush to another problematic extreme. If spiritually cold and

intellectually hot believers, churches and denominations can be problematic, so too can

theologically cold and emotionally hot ones.

"The ideal, as always, is to maintain the biblical balance. The truth is, we are called to

love God with the whole person. Thus we should be loving God with our mind as well as

with our will and emotions. Our faith should be Spirit-empowered and theologically

mature.

"We should embrace sound living and sound doctrine, just as Scripture exhorts us time

and time again. Paul for example said quite clearly, "Give heed to your life and your

teaching" (1 Timothy 4:16). Both are vital, and we should never play off one against

another. It is not a question of choosing head or heart, but of affirming both,

simultaneously.

"As the Bible repeatedly states, and as I have so often written about, the need for sound

theology or doctrine is paramount to the life of the believer. See just one article for

example: http:// www.billmuehlenberg.com/2006/09/26/in-defense-of-theology/

"None of us can live a dogma-free Christian life. Indeed, those who promote a dogma-free

faith are themselves pushing their own particular dogma. Those who argue for a

creedless Christianity are themselves promoting a particular creed. Any time someone

opposes a doctrine or creed or denomination or teaching, he is in fact endorsing his own.

"While it may sound spiritual, there really is no such thing as a denomination-less or

theology-less Christian. We all have certain beliefs, understandings, favorite teachings,

ways of interpreting Scripture, etc. We all have been influenced by the thinking, teaching

and beliefs of others ...."

http:// www.billmuehlenberg.com/2001/01/31/creedless-christianity/

God bless all of you.

In Erie PA, U.S.A., In search of Christ and His truths, Scott R. Harrington


 
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Dear PBUH, In John 16:13, Jesus Christ said the Holy Spirit would lead His sheep into all truth. So, the Spirit is necessary for understanding the Bible, because, as Christ said, "without Me you can do nothing" (John 15). Without the Spirit of Christ we can do no thing. Sincerely, Scott
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Sorry Scotth

Seems to be a misunderstanding. That comforter is Muhammad. Where all the previous prophets were only sent to the house of Israel. The final prophet was sent to the world.

In biblical language a spirit means prophet

We find this spirit is human

Extracted from link Why the Comforter Was Muhammad (pbuh) and not the Holy Spirit? by teardropofpeace | Muslim Community | Muxlim

When we continue reading
beyond chapter 14:16 and chapter 16:7, we find that Jesus predicts the specific
details of the arrival and identity of the parakletos. Therefore, according to
the context of John 14 & 16 we discover the following facts.

1. Jesus said the parakletos is a human being:
John 16:13
 
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Cut off again.

Sorry Scotth

Seems to be a misunderstanding. That comforter is Muhammad. Where all the previous prophets were only sent to the house of Israel. The final prophet was sent to the world.

In biblical language a spirit means prophet

We find this spirit is human

Extracted from link Why the Comforter Was Muhammad (pbuh) and not the Holy Spirit? by teardropofpeace | Muslim Community | Muxlim

When we continue reading
beyond chapter 14:16 and chapter 16:7, we find that Jesus predicts the specific
details of the arrival and identity of the parakletos. Therefore, according to
the context of John 14 & 16 we discover the following facts.

1. Jesus said the parakletos is a human being:
John 16:13 He will speak.

John 16:7 …for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you.

It is impossible that the Comforter be the “Holy Ghost” because the Holy Ghost was
present long before Jesus and during his ministry.[5]

John 16:13 Jesus referred to the paraclete as ‘he’ and not ‘it’ seven times, no other verse in
the Bible contains seven masculine pronouns. Therefore, paraclete is a person,
not a ghost.

2. Jesus is called a parakletos: “And if any man sin, we
have an advocate (parakletos) with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.” (1 John 2:1)

Here we see that parakletos is a physical and human intercessor.

The Divinity of Jesus a later innovation Jesus was not accepted as divine until the Council of Nicea, 325 CE, but everyone, except Jews, agree he was a prophet of God, as indicated by the Bible:

Matthew 21:11 “...This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.”

Luke 24:19 “...Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God
and all the people.”

4. Jesus prayed to God for another parakletos:
John 14:16 “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another parakletos.”

If we replace the verse above with.

John 14:16 “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Holy Spirit.”

It doesn't fit.

John 14:16 “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another prophet.”

This fits.

Yes the parakletos did lead the sheep to the truth. That parakletos was prophet mohammad pbuh.
 
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Scotth1960

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Sorry Scotth

Seems to be a misunderstanding. That comforter is Muhammad. Where all the previous prophets were only sent to the house of Israel. The final prophet was sent to the world.


In biblical language a spirit means prophet


We find this spirit is human


Extracted from link
Why the Comforter Was Muhammad (pbuh) and not the Holy Spirit? by teardropofpeace | Muslim Community | Muxlim

When we continue reading

beyond chapter 14:16 and chapter 16:7, we find that Jesus predicts the specific
details of the arrival and identity of the parakletos. Therefore, according to
the context of John 14 & 16 we discover the following facts.

1. Jesus said the parakletos is a human being:

John 16:13



Dea PBUH, Jesus Christ did not say that the Paraclete is a human being. The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God, but these are not three gods, but one God. Besides God there is no other (Isaiah 44:6). No Arab human being as a prophet is prophesied as the Comforter. There are Arab Christians, as in St. John of Damascus, but that is another man; he was a man, not God. The Comforter being referenced in John 14:26, 15:26, 16:13 is God Himself. In Acts 5:1-4 ESV we read on the identity of the Holy Spirit (PARACLETE) as God.
"But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, and with his wife's knowledge he kept back for himself some of the proceeds and brought only a part of it and laid it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself a part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart. You have not lied to men but to God." St. Peter said Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God, not Muhammad. It would be absurd to suppose Muhammad was being talked about here, as he was not even born until 500 years later in 570 AD. The Comforter is not a man, is not a prophet, but is GOD HIMSELF, the Holy Spirit of God. In Erie PA Scott
 
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An excerpt:

II. APPEAL TO TRADITION

When it comes to a proper understanding of the Word of God, the Holy Spirit is all the believer needs (1 John 2:27). The believer does not need the "church fathers," or the supposed great men of God in the past, or church history, or commentaries, or Bible scholars, or some particular man, etc.. Any appeal otherwise is an appeal to the tradition of men. In Colossians 2:8 Paul warned,
Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

We do not need the "teaching of the ages" (the tradition of men) to understand the Word of God. The Holy Spirit is all we need to understand the Word of God. 1 John 2:26-27 says,
These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

Do we need to have the "oaring" or the anchor of church tradition to keep us from wandering from the truth? No. We need the Word of God and the Holy Spirit.
But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth. (1 John 2:20-21)

Found in the context of these verses (1 John 2:20-21, 26-27) are verses about antichrists (1 John 2:18-19). 1 John 4:1-6 says,
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

Likewise, 2 John 7 says,
For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

What is it to "not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh"? Basically, it is to deny the truth of 2 Peter 1:3 and 2 Timothy 3:16-17, or to deny what is seen in 1 John 2:26-27 - that all you need is Christ, His Word and His Spirit. If someone comes along and says you need the traditions of men to properly understand the Word of God and/or to live this life as we ought - that is antichrist. If someone comes along with empty deceit, swaying you away from following the Word of Christ - that is antichrist. If someone persuades you toward philosophy or pragmatism (basic principles of the world) - that is antichrist.
Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. [Why?] For [because] in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power. (Colossians 2:8-10)

In other words, you don't need philosophy. You don't need the tradition of men. You don't need basic principles that work in this world. You need Christ, and Him alone. Because "in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily". In other words, God is in the flesh in Christ. God, Jesus Christ, has come in the flesh. Believers are complete in Christ and need nothing else for living out this life in godliness, holiness, and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23; Hebrews 2:14-18; 4:14-16). You don't need psychology, or traditions (handed down teachings other than the Word of God) or "what works" (basic principles of the world), etc.. 2 Peter. 1:2-3 says,
. . . as His divine power has given to us all things [we are not lacking anything] that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue,

The believer has all things that pertain to life and godliness through the knowledge of Christ (the Word, Revelation 19:13; Hebrews 4:12-13). We don't need anything else. To say we do is to deny Christ has come in the flesh, and is antichrist (against Christ). 2 Timothy 3:16-17 says,
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

The Word of God is all you need to make you "complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." When teachers or anyone comes along and says, "You need commentaries or the early church fathers or the understanding of the studies of the supposed men of God of the past, in order to properly understand the Word of God," this is antichrist. Some may refer you to "the historic Christian faith" or "Orthodox Christianity." These terms point to the traditions of men (Colossians 2:8). This appeal is antichrist. What is the true standard for truth? It is the Word of God, not "historic Christianity." Such an appeal to tradition exposes a man to be a false teacher, whose trust is not in God, who is in the flesh (Jesus Christ, John 1:14, Colossians 2:9), but rather in the tradition of men (Colossians 2:8-10; 2 John 7).
 
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An excerpt:

II. APPEAL TO TRADITION

When it comes to a proper understanding of the Word of God, the Holy Spirit is all the believer needs (1 John 2:27). The believer does not need the "church fathers," or the supposed great men of God in the past, or church history, or commentaries, or Bible scholars, or some particular man, etc.. Any appeal otherwise is an appeal to the tradition of men. In Colossians 2:8 Paul warned,
Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

We do not need the "teaching of the ages" (the tradition of men) to understand the Word of God. The Holy Spirit is all we need to understand the Word of God. 1 John 2:26-27 says,
These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

Do we need to have the "oaring" or the anchor of church tradition to keep us from wandering from the truth? No. We need the Word of God and the Holy Spirit.
But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth. (1 John 2:20-21)

Found in the context of these verses (1 John 2:20-21, 26-27) are verses about antichrists (1 John 2:18-19). 1 John 4:1-6 says,
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

Likewise, 2 John 7 says,
For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

What is it to "not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh"? Basically, it is to deny the truth of 2 Peter 1:3 and 2 Timothy 3:16-17, or to deny what is seen in 1 John 2:26-27 - that all you need is Christ, His Word and His Spirit. If someone comes along and says you need the traditions of men to properly understand the Word of God and/or to live this life as we ought - that is antichrist. If someone comes along with empty deceit, swaying you away from following the Word of Christ - that is antichrist. If someone persuades you toward philosophy or pragmatism (basic principles of the world) - that is antichrist.
Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. [Why?] For [because] in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power. (Colossians 2:8-10)

In other words, you don't need philosophy. You don't need the tradition of men. You don't need basic principles that work in this world. You need Christ, and Him alone. Because "in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily". In other words, God is in the flesh in Christ. God, Jesus Christ, has come in the flesh. Believers are complete in Christ and need nothing else for living out this life in godliness, holiness, and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23; Hebrews 2:14-18; 4:14-16). You don't need psychology, or traditions (handed down teachings other than the Word of God) or "what works" (basic principles of the world), etc.. 2 Peter. 1:2-3 says,
. . . as His divine power has given to us all things [we are not lacking anything] that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue,

The believer has all things that pertain to life and godliness through the knowledge of Christ (the Word, Revelation 19:13; Hebrews 4:12-13). We don't need anything else. To say we do is to deny Christ has come in the flesh, and is antichrist (against Christ). 2 Timothy 3:16-17 says,
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

The Word of God is all you need to make you "complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." When teachers or anyone comes along and says, "You need commentaries or the early church fathers or the understanding of the studies of the supposed men of God of the past, in order to properly understand the Word of God," this is antichrist. Some may refer you to "the historic Christian faith" or "Orthodox Christianity." These terms point to the traditions of men (Colossians 2:8). This appeal is antichrist. What is the true standard for truth? It is the Word of God, not "historic Christianity." Such an appeal to tradition exposes a man to be a false teacher, whose trust is not in God, who is in the flesh (Jesus Christ, John 1:14, Colossians 2:9), but rather in the tradition of men (Colossians 2:8-10; 2 John 7).
Dear friend, I don't follow your illogic! You say all you need is the Holy Spirit, yourself, and the Bible. And you, being a man, will not, then, also come up with the tradition of one man, the tradition of yourself! Give us a break! I have heard that lie, that myth before. That is why we have the myth of sola Scriptura, and 30,000 disunited, CONTRADICTORY human traditions, with each man alone with the Bible. Nothing Christian is accomplished by such a private, individualistic approach to Bible study. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS Yes we must read the Bible ourselves, but inevitably, it will be read according to come form of Christian tradition. It all depends on whether these traditions come from God and the 12 apostles, or from mere men. Like Wycliffe, Luther, Tyndale, Calvin, Benedict XVI, John Paul II, Thomas Aquinas. Etc. The latter are traditions of men. Unfortunately. Go figure. In Erie PA Scott

 
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Dea PBUH, Jesus Christ did not say that the Paraclete is a human being. The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God, but these are not three gods, but one God. Besides God there is no other (Isaiah 44:6). No Arab human being as a prophet is prophesied as the Comforter. There are Arab Christians, as in St. John of Damascus, but that is another man; he was a man, not God. The Comforter being referenced in John 14:26, 15:26, 16:13 is God Himself. In Acts 5:1-4 ESV we read on the identity of the Holy Spirit (PARACLETE) as God.
"But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, and with his wife's knowledge he kept back for himself some of the proceeds and brought only a part of it and laid it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself a part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart. You have not lied to men but to God." St. Peter said Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God, not Muhammad. It would be absurd to suppose Muhammad was being talked about here, as he was not even born until 500 years later in 570 AD. The Comforter is not a man, is not a prophet, but is GOD HIMSELF, the Holy Spirit of God. In Erie PA Scott
Hi Scott
Perhaps you do need the PARACLETE to read the scriptures because it is amazing how everything clicks together when you read the bible with a new set of eyes.

These verses refer to a spirit wihch in biblical language is a prophet not a another God.

John 15:26 and 16:13 speaks of the spirit of truth (prophet of truth). Prophet Muhammad pbuh was known as the Al amin (The trustworthy)

This verse also spoke of the Al Amin speaking of Jesus pbuh. There is a whole surah on Mary and Jesus pbuh.

It is reported on the authority of Ibn 'Abbas that when this verse was revealed: "And warn thy nearest kindred (and thy group of selected people among them)" the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) set off till he climbed Safa' and called loudly: Be on your guard! They said: Who is it calling aloud? They said: Muhammad. They gathered round him, and he said: O sons of so and so, O sons of so and so, O sons of 'Abd Manaf, O sons of 'Abd al-Muttalib, and they gathered around him. He (the Apostle) said: If I were to inform you that there were horsemen emerging out of the foot of this mountain, would you believe me? They said: We have not experienced any lie from you. He said: Well, I am a warner to you before a severe torment. He (the narrator) said that Abu Lahab then said: Destruction to you! Is it for this you have gathered us? He (the Holy Prophet) then stood up, and this verse was revealed: "Perish the hands of Abu Lahab, and he indeed perished" (cxi. 1). A'mash recited this to the end of the Sura. (Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0406)

Muhammad is the prophet of truth referred to in these verses.
 
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Dear friend, I don't follow your illogic! You say all you need is the Holy Spirit, yourself, and the Bible. And you, being a man, will not, then, also come up with the tradition of one man, the tradition of yourself!


Correct.

Give us a break! I have heard that lie, that myth before.


It's not a myth. It's just the teaching of scripture.

That is why we have the myth of sola Scriptura, and 30,000 disunited, CONTRADICTORY human traditions, with each man alone with the Bible.


None of which are in the truth. Rather, believers all speak the same thing. There are no divisons among them. They are perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. (1 Corinthians 1:10)

Nothing Christian is accomplished by such a private, individualistic approach to Bible study.


The Bible says scripture is of no private interpretation. Scripture interprets itself.

PS Yes we must read the Bible ourselves, but inevitably, it will be read according to come form of Christian tradition. It all depends on whether these traditions come from God and the 12 apostles, or from mere men. Like Wycliffe, Luther, Tyndale, Calvin, Benedict XVI, John Paul II, Thomas Aquinas. Etc. The latter are traditions of men.
 
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None of which are in the truth. Rather, believers all speak the same thing. There are no divisons among them. They are perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. (1 Corinthians 1:10)

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The Bible says scripture is of no private interpretation. Scripture interprets itself.

That is just perfectly untrue. Calvinists say salvation can't be lost; Arminians seem to believe or feel maybe salvation can be neglected or forfeited by serious sin. So, there is DISUNITY of Christians based upon SOLA SCRIPTURA. If you were being honest, you will see Luther's REFORMATION PRODUCED DOCTRINAL CHAOS. Scripture does NOT interpret itself. St. Philip told that the the Ethiopian eunuch in the book of Acts. He eunuch said he could not understand Isaiah 53 "unless some man guide me". The man who guided the eunuch into the truth from God was none other than St. Philip. Not the Bible alone. Scripture doesn't interpret itself! That's a myth! In Erie PA Scott Harrington
 
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PBUH Jesus pours out the Spirit on the apostles in John. To claim that Jesus poured out Mohammed is ridiculous!
 
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PBUH Jesus pours out the Spirit on the apostles in John. To claim that Jesus poured out Mohammed is ridiculous!
Amen, says us and the Holy Spirit. Scott
 
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1 Corinthians 1

12: Now this i say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul, and i am of Apollos, and i of Cephas, and i of Christ...

Hmm this sounds familiar...lets reword it to our generations...

Now this i say, that every one of you saith, I am of Pentecostals, i am of Baptist, and i of Catholic and i of Christ (individuals)

14: I thank God that i baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius (i am of Christ)


What religious people fail to see is this: Those individual religion free worshippers have something very special happen to them, God draws them to OTHER religion free worshippers who are of the SAME body and then something else amazing happens when they begin to talk to each other.....THEY AGREE...WOW !! Why? Simple: ONE BODY, ONE VOICE, NO RELIGION OF MEN. And none of these say, "i am of Luther, i am of Mormon, i am of etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc....DIVISION. But they all say, "I am of Christ". So to say these individuals never become part of Christs Body, but remain loners, is extreme ignorance perpetrated by institutions using disturbed individual believers as examples to demonize all individual worshippers (who never stay alone for long). into the same basket..so this absurd claim of non religious worshippers never joining Christs body is just laughable to the point of pathetic.

And might i add, i am religion free, and i have a thousand times more chance of reaching non believers than your churches, why? Just go and ask most non believers (and i do mean NON BELIEVERS, not the curious dabbling masses that the churches draw) what they think about churches and they ALL say the SAME thing...hypocrites (THEY say this)!! But as soon as you let them know you belong to no worldly church/religion but follow the Lord, their whole attitude changes and the questions begin flowing freely (WHY? We find a common link: anti man made religion). Questions they have been dying to hear non church types answer...and when we do answer...they all say the SAME..WHY DONT THE CHURCHES TEACH WHAT YOU JUST TOLD US, IT IS SO LOGICAL, AND YES...WE CAN SEE WHAT YOURE SAYING HAPPENING AROUND US RIGHT NOW IN THE WORLD !!! WOW !!! WHY DONT THE CHURCHES KNOW THIS ?? SIMPLE: I am of Paul, i am of Apollos, I am of Cephas.... And i have HEARD THIS MANY MANY TIMES WITH MY OWN EARS.

Oh, but the churches do have ONE thing in common...you all have PARTS of the truth...just not the whole picture, why? Because Billy Graham disagreed with Luther who disagreed with so and so who disagreed with so and so etc etc etc....SEE, your religions are all started by MENS INTERPRETATIONS...not Christ based at all. The truth is, Christs Body is not mainstream and exalted in the world systems lime lights exactly where we find mainstream Christianity basking today, in this world, where Satan dwells. And how rich you are...but Gods blessings don't center around money folks...someone else uses money ("blessings") as bait im afraid to say.

Who would you rather reach? The curious dabbler who already believes in God but just wants a place to belong, and never really changes all that much except get more radical and self righteous (not all of you) OR, a total non believer who suddenly believes and EVERYBODY around them sees real change occur and cannot believe their eyes? And then they who see Gods POWER at work themselves begin asking...

Oh, but thats right...we so called individuals never reach anybody...we're all just sad little loners slowly pining away in our mental instabilities...oh the irony of it all.