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Hmmmmmm Im noticing a wierd trend in the # of years that each pope served in these dates............it seemsas tho the closer they got to the 20th century the longer they were in office in the papacy............prolly just a wierd coincidence..........but it looks like a kingline leniage...........you know like youd see in the bible one would reign till his evil cousin killed him the4n hed take over and rule graceful under God till he died then another evil one would take over anduntil he died from some unfortunat accident ................not saying there is any evil popes out there killing eachother ,lol,but it is an odd streing of 5-7 year reigns till you get closer to the 20th century then it runs noless than 40-50 years .........odd
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STDOMINIC, or Clarky, or whatever you are called now. I have to ask, what is your citation for the majority of what you said about the "Filioque" controversy and several other things. Many of your claims sounded very strange and much more like something pulled off of the biased out dated "new advent Catholic encyclopedia" as opposed to real scholorly research on the subject. I am only an undergrad Theology student, but even I can tell when something is an apologetic tract vs. something that is scholorly research. I do not wish to delve further on the subject as this is not a topic devoted to such issues. If you want to bring it up with me in a private message then I will be glad to.
Mahgony, I apologize but I do not have Scripture memorized to give you an answer on that. I think a comonly cited response to your question is the intercessorary relationship Mosses played between the Israelites and God though better ones probably exist. I will try and get back to you on that.
Mahgony, I apologize but I do not have Scripture memorized to give you an answer on that. I think a comonly cited response to your question is the intercessorary relationship Mosses played between the Israelites and God though better ones probably exist. I will try and get back to you on that.
K
The only real Scriptures they had then was the Law and the Prophets. They're in the Old Testament. People who put together the Bible thought those books was important enough be included.
As far as tradition, HOW do you know if it's right or not? The tradition of the "eucharist" is of men and not followed by the disciples like catholics do today.
They was celebrating the Passover, a Jewish feast. Jesus IS the Passover Lamb! He is to be praised! Not the bread! We break bread together, as believers, to celebrate the Sacrifice of the Passover Lamb.
As far as tradition, HOW do you know if it's right or not? The tradition of the "eucharist" is of men and not followed by the disciples like catholics do today.
They was celebrating the Passover, a Jewish feast. Jesus IS the Passover Lamb! He is to be praised! Not the bread! We break bread together, as believers, to celebrate the Sacrifice of the Passover Lamb.
K
Acts 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Please note that the word noble derives from the Greek word eugenes, which Strong's defines as follows-Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
2104. eugenes, yoog-en'-ace; from G2095 and G1096; well born, i.e. (lit.) high in rank, or (fig.) generous:--more noble, nobleman.
This is significant because it clearly is commending the Bereans over and above the Thessalonicans, because while they listened to Paul and Silas with an open mind, they still checked what they were told for accuracy by comparing it with the existing Old Testament scriptures. They did not just accept what they were told by anyone. They used scripture as their only ruler for truth. The principle of Sola Scriptura is very firmly and clearly established in this text.
It is also worth noting, that when Paul preached in Thessalonica and Berea, he reasoned with the people out of the scriptures. From the King James:
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Acts 17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
Paul used the written word of God to prove that Jesus was indeed the prophesied Messiah the Jews were waiting for. Scripture was the guide by which anyone could judge for themselves if Jesus of Nazareth met the prophetic requirements completely. Because of the success Paul and Silas were having in converting Jew and Gentile alike to Christianity (vs. 4,12), unbelieving Jews caused an uproar that drove them out of both Thessalonica and Berea (vs. 5-10, 13-14). The unbelieving Jews apparently viewed these conversions as a threat to Judaism as they knew it. But without scripture to use for validating the Gospel of Jesus Christ as Messiah, Paul would not have been able to prove anything.Acts 17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
2 Tim 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
So according to Paul's second letter to Timothy, scripture is sufficient to make you wise unto salvation. This directly contradicts Catholic claims that Scripture is insufficient, and dogma defined in Tradition is also essential to salvation.
We must, therefore, conclude that the Scriptures alone cannot be a sufficient guide and rule of faith because they cannot, at any time, be within the reach of every inquirer; because they are not of themselves clear and intelligible even in matters of the highest importance, and because they do not contain all the truths necessary for salvation.
Source: The Faith Of Our Fathers, (The Church and the Bible), by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 111th printing, copyright 1980 by TAN books and Publishers, Inc., ISBN: 0-89555-158-6,
If Paul is to be believed in 2 Tim 3:15, what need is there then for the unbiblical doctrines and teachings of Catholic Tradition? Who shall we believe, the Apostle Paul, or Cardinal Gibbons?
From the Catholic Living Bible:
Isa 8:19 So why are you trying to find out the future by consulting witches and mediums? Don't listen to their whisperings and mutterings. Can the living find out the future from the dead? Why not ask your God?
Isa 8:20 "Check these witches' words against the Word of God!" he says if their messages are different than mine, it is because I have not sent them; for they have no light or truth in them.
The words for law and testimony here mean the Word of God. The word law is torah, and testimony is te'uwdah. Torah may mean either the Decalogue or the Pentateuch, and same can be true of te'uwdah.
So this passage teaches that the written word of God is sufficient to reveal the way to eternal life, which is none other than Jesus Christ. It is as true today as it was the day it was written.
2 Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2 Cor 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
What then of Catholic Tradition? What of the dogmas of the apostolic succession, the immaculate conception of Mary, her assumption into heaven, her role as mediatrix of God's grace and the many other such unbiblical Catholic Traditions? What bearing do they really have on salvation?
Conclusion
Clearly Sola Scriptura stands as biblically taught truth. The decrees and pronouncements called "Tradition" by the Roman Catholic Church, which cannot be found in scripture, are therefore rightly defined as that "other gospel" that Paul spoke of.
So let those who teach that other gospel take solemn note of Paul's warning.
Sola Scripula: people in study of the Word of God during the sermon.
Tradition: Catholics with rosary beads reciting "Hail Mary" and no Bibles.
Isa 8:20 "Check these witches' words against the Word of God!" he says if their messages are different than mine, it is because I have not sent them; for they have no light or truth in them.
The words for law and testimony here mean the Word of God. The word law is torah, and testimony is te'uwdah. Torah may mean either the Decalogue or the Pentateuch, and same can be true of te'uwdah.
John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
John said in 20:30 that a sufficient number of the signs or miracles performed by Jesus ARE included in scripture to validate that He was indeed the Messiah, so that you will have a saving faith. Again, scripture includes whatever is necessary to bring you to a saving faith. Nothing that is necessary for salvation is left out. John 21:25 in no way changes that, nor can it be cited for proof of unwritten articles of faith (Tradition) required for salvation. It says essentially that not every deed or action of Jesus is recorded, (Just as John had stated earlier) but he again does not even hint at unrecorded doctrines.
Prov 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Prov 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
There is a clear warning here to those who would try and amend the word of God through additions. Isn't this exactly what the ex-cathedra Roman Catholic doctrines of the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of Mary are?Prov 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
John 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Here Jesus tells the Jews to study and search the scriptures, because they know that the way to eternal life can indeed be found there. That way to eternal life is revealed in scripture as Jesus Christ, the Messiah that the Jews had longed for. But the Jews did not even believe what Moses had written, and as a result repeatedly fell into apostasy. Jesus makes the point that if the Jews will not believe and obey what Moses had written in scripture, then how could they possibly believe the words spoken directly to them by the Christ that the scriptures reveal? Had the Jews properly understood and believed the scriptures, they would have recognized Jesus for who He was, the very Son of God.John 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
So this passage teaches that the written word of God is sufficient to reveal the way to eternal life, which is none other than Jesus Christ. It is as true today as it was the day it was written.
2 Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2 Cor 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
What then of Catholic Tradition? What of the dogmas of the apostolic succession, the immaculate conception of Mary, her assumption into heaven, her role as mediatrix of God's grace and the many other such unbiblical Catholic Traditions? What bearing do they really have on salvation?
Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
The gospel message as preached by Paul, and as recorded faithfully in the scriptures, is pure and remains sufficient to salvation. No doctrine or Tradition needs to be added to what Paul taught the early Christians. In fact, Paul condemns anyone who would teach a gospel other that what he had presented, which was the whole counsel of God..Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Conclusion
Clearly Sola Scriptura stands as biblically taught truth. The decrees and pronouncements called "Tradition" by the Roman Catholic Church, which cannot be found in scripture, are therefore rightly defined as that "other gospel" that Paul spoke of.
So let those who teach that other gospel take solemn note of Paul's warning.
Sola Scripula: people in study of the Word of God during the sermon.
Tradition: Catholics with rosary beads reciting "Hail Mary" and no Bibles.
S
The Apostolic Christian Church knew EXACTLY what books went into the N T because it was INCLUSIVE of Christian Holy Tradition.
Paul tells the Corinthians: "I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the Traditions even as I have delivered them to you" (1 Cor. 11:2)
And he commands the Thessalonians, "So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the Traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thess. 2:15).
"Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the Tradition that you received from us" (2 Thess. 3:6).
To make sure that the apostolic Tradition would be passed down after the deaths of the apostles, Paul told Timothy, "What you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also" (2 Tim. 2:2).
He refers to the first four generations of apostolic succession-his own generation, Timothy's, the generation Timothy will teach, and the generation next in turn.
Catholics recognize that the true "rule of faith", as expressed in the Bible itself, is Scripture plus apostolic tradition, which gives the Church the authority to interpret Scripture correctly.
To the successors of the apostles, sacred Tradition was entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit.
It is not from sacred Scripture alone that the Church draws her certainty about everything which has been revealed.
Remember the earliest Christians had no New Testament to which they could appeal. They learned from oral, rather than written, instruction.
The Bible was inaccessible to most people, either because they could not read or because the printing press had not been invented.
All these people learned from oral instruction, passed down, generation to generation, by the Church.
The Church, in the persons of the apostles, was given the authority to teach by Christ; the Church would be his representative.
He commissioned them, saying, "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations" (Matt. 28:19).
1 TIM 1:3 I repeat the request I made of you when I was on my way to Macedonia, that you stay in Ephesus to instruct certain people not to "teach false doctrines".
"So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes by the preaching of Christ" (Rom. 10:17).
The Church would always be the living teacher. It is a mistake to limit "Christ’s word" to the written word only or to suggest that all his teachings were reduced to writing.
Further, it is clear that the oral teaching of Christ would last until the end of time. "’But the word of the Lord abides for ever.’ That word is the good news which was preached to you" (1 Pet. 1:25).
Sacred Tradition should not be confused with mere traditions of men, which are more commonly called customs or disciplines.
Jesus sometimes condemned customs or disciplines, but only if they were contrary to God’s commands (Mark 7:8). He never condemned sacred Tradition, and he didn’t even condemn all human tradition.
Sacred Tradition and the Bible are not different or competing revelations. They are two ways that the Church hands on the gospel.
Apostolic teachings such as the Trinity, infant baptism, the inerrancy of the Bible, purgatory, and Mary’s perpetual virginity have been most clearly taught through Tradition.
The Bible itself tells us to hold fast to Tradition, whether it comes to us in written or ORAL form (2 Thess. 2:15, 1 Cor. 11:2).
Sacred Tradition preserves doctrines first taught by Jesus to the apostles and later passed down to us through the apostles’ successors, the bishops.
Paul tells the Corinthians: "I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the Traditions even as I have delivered them to you" (1 Cor. 11:2)
And he commands the Thessalonians, "So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the Traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thess. 2:15).
"Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the Tradition that you received from us" (2 Thess. 3:6).
To make sure that the apostolic Tradition would be passed down after the deaths of the apostles, Paul told Timothy, "What you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also" (2 Tim. 2:2).
He refers to the first four generations of apostolic succession-his own generation, Timothy's, the generation Timothy will teach, and the generation next in turn.
Catholics recognize that the true "rule of faith", as expressed in the Bible itself, is Scripture plus apostolic tradition, which gives the Church the authority to interpret Scripture correctly.
To the successors of the apostles, sacred Tradition was entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit.
It is not from sacred Scripture alone that the Church draws her certainty about everything which has been revealed.
Remember the earliest Christians had no New Testament to which they could appeal. They learned from oral, rather than written, instruction.
The Bible was inaccessible to most people, either because they could not read or because the printing press had not been invented.
All these people learned from oral instruction, passed down, generation to generation, by the Church.
The Church, in the persons of the apostles, was given the authority to teach by Christ; the Church would be his representative.
He commissioned them, saying, "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations" (Matt. 28:19).
1 TIM 1:3 I repeat the request I made of you when I was on my way to Macedonia, that you stay in Ephesus to instruct certain people not to "teach false doctrines".
"So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes by the preaching of Christ" (Rom. 10:17).
The Church would always be the living teacher. It is a mistake to limit "Christ’s word" to the written word only or to suggest that all his teachings were reduced to writing.
Further, it is clear that the oral teaching of Christ would last until the end of time. "’But the word of the Lord abides for ever.’ That word is the good news which was preached to you" (1 Pet. 1:25).
Sacred Tradition should not be confused with mere traditions of men, which are more commonly called customs or disciplines.
Jesus sometimes condemned customs or disciplines, but only if they were contrary to God’s commands (Mark 7:8). He never condemned sacred Tradition, and he didn’t even condemn all human tradition.
Sacred Tradition and the Bible are not different or competing revelations. They are two ways that the Church hands on the gospel.
Apostolic teachings such as the Trinity, infant baptism, the inerrancy of the Bible, purgatory, and Mary’s perpetual virginity have been most clearly taught through Tradition.
The Bible itself tells us to hold fast to Tradition, whether it comes to us in written or ORAL form (2 Thess. 2:15, 1 Cor. 11:2).
Sacred Tradition preserves doctrines first taught by Jesus to the apostles and later passed down to us through the apostles’ successors, the bishops.
S
Acts 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Please note that the word noble derives from the Greek word eugenes, which Strong's defines as follows-Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
2104. eugenes, yoog-en'-ace; from G2095 and G1096; well born, i.e. (lit.) high in rank, or (fig.) generous:--more noble, nobleman.
This is significant because it clearly is commending the Bereans over and above the Thessalonicans, because while they listened to Paul and Silas with an open mind, they still checked what they were told for accuracy by comparing it with the existing Old Testament scriptures. They did not just accept what they were told by anyone. They used scripture as their only ruler for truth. The principle of Sola Scriptura is very firmly and clearly established in this text.
It is also worth noting, that when Paul preached in Thessalonica and Berea, he reasoned with the people out of the scriptures. From the King James:
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Acts 17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
Paul used the written word of God to prove that Jesus was indeed the prophesied Messiah the Jews were waiting for. Scripture was the guide by which anyone could judge for themselves if Jesus of Nazareth met the prophetic requirements completely. Because of the success Paul and Silas were having in converting Jew and Gentile alike to Christianity (vs. 4,12), unbelieving Jews caused an uproar that drove them out of both Thessalonica and Berea (vs. 5-10, 13-14). The unbelieving Jews apparently viewed these conversions as a threat to Judaism as they knew it. But without scripture to use for validating the Gospel of Jesus Christ as Messiah, Paul would not have been able to prove anything.Acts 17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
2 Tim 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
So according to Paul's second letter to Timothy, scripture is sufficient to make you wise unto salvation. This directly contradicts Catholic claims that Scripture is insufficient, and dogma defined in Tradition is also essential to salvation.
We must, therefore, conclude that the Scriptures alone cannot be a sufficient guide and rule of faith because they cannot, at any time, be within the reach of every inquirer; because they are not of themselves clear and intelligible even in matters of the highest importance, and because they do not contain all the truths necessary for salvation.
Source: The Faith Of Our Fathers, (The Church and the Bible), by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 111th printing, copyright 1980 by TAN books and Publishers, Inc., ISBN: 0-89555-158-6,
If Paul is to be believed in 2 Tim 3:15, what need is there then for the unbiblical doctrines and teachings of Catholic Tradition? Who shall we believe, the Apostle Paul, or Cardinal Gibbons?
From the Catholic Living Bible:
Isa 8:19 So why are you trying to find out the future by consulting witches and mediums? Don't listen to their whisperings and mutterings. Can the living find out the future from the dead? Why not ask your God?
Isa 8:20 "Check these witches' words against the Word of God!" he says if their messages are different than mine, it is because I have not sent them; for they have no light or truth in them.
The words for law and testimony here mean the Word of God. The word law is torah, and testimony is te'uwdah. Torah may mean either the Decalogue or the Pentateuch, and same can be true of te'uwdah.
So this passage teaches that the written word of God is sufficient to reveal the way to eternal life, which is none other than Jesus Christ. It is as true today as it was the day it was written.
2 Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2 Cor 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
What then of Catholic Tradition? What of the dogmas of the apostolic succession, the immaculate conception of Mary, her assumption into heaven, her role as mediatrix of God's grace and the many other such unbiblical Catholic Traditions? What bearing do they really have on salvation?
Conclusion
Clearly Sola Scriptura stands as biblically taught truth. The decrees and pronouncements called "Tradition" by the Roman Catholic Church, which cannot be found in scripture, are therefore rightly defined as that "other gospel" that Paul spoke of.
So let those who teach that other gospel take solemn note of Paul's warning.
Sola Scripula: people in study of the Word of God during the sermon.
Tradition: Catholics with rosary beads reciting "Hail Mary" and no Bibles.
Isa 8:20 "Check these witches' words against the Word of God!" he says if their messages are different than mine, it is because I have not sent them; for they have no light or truth in them.
The words for law and testimony here mean the Word of God. The word law is torah, and testimony is te'uwdah. Torah may mean either the Decalogue or the Pentateuch, and same can be true of te'uwdah.
John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
John said in 20:30 that a sufficient number of the signs or miracles performed by Jesus ARE included in scripture to validate that He was indeed the Messiah, so that you will have a saving faith. Again, scripture includes whatever is necessary to bring you to a saving faith. Nothing that is necessary for salvation is left out. John 21:25 in no way changes that, nor can it be cited for proof of unwritten articles of faith (Tradition) required for salvation. It says essentially that not every deed or action of Jesus is recorded, (Just as John had stated earlier) but he again does not even hint at unrecorded doctrines.
Prov 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Prov 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
There is a clear warning here to those who would try and amend the word of God through additions. Isn't this exactly what the ex-cathedra Roman Catholic doctrines of the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of Mary are?Prov 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
John 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Here Jesus tells the Jews to study and search the scriptures, because they know that the way to eternal life can indeed be found there. That way to eternal life is revealed in scripture as Jesus Christ, the Messiah that the Jews had longed for. But the Jews did not even believe what Moses had written, and as a result repeatedly fell into apostasy. Jesus makes the point that if the Jews will not believe and obey what Moses had written in scripture, then how could they possibly believe the words spoken directly to them by the Christ that the scriptures reveal? Had the Jews properly understood and believed the scriptures, they would have recognized Jesus for who He was, the very Son of God.John 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
So this passage teaches that the written word of God is sufficient to reveal the way to eternal life, which is none other than Jesus Christ. It is as true today as it was the day it was written.
2 Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2 Cor 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
What then of Catholic Tradition? What of the dogmas of the apostolic succession, the immaculate conception of Mary, her assumption into heaven, her role as mediatrix of God's grace and the many other such unbiblical Catholic Traditions? What bearing do they really have on salvation?
Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
The gospel message as preached by Paul, and as recorded faithfully in the scriptures, is pure and remains sufficient to salvation. No doctrine or Tradition needs to be added to what Paul taught the early Christians. In fact, Paul condemns anyone who would teach a gospel other that what he had presented, which was the whole counsel of God..Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Conclusion
Clearly Sola Scriptura stands as biblically taught truth. The decrees and pronouncements called "Tradition" by the Roman Catholic Church, which cannot be found in scripture, are therefore rightly defined as that "other gospel" that Paul spoke of.
So let those who teach that other gospel take solemn note of Paul's warning.
Sola Scripula: people in study of the Word of God during the sermon.
Tradition: Catholics with rosary beads reciting "Hail Mary" and no Bibles.
When you find it let me know.
S
The Church has always understood a Real Presence in the Eucharist.
St. Ignatius of Antioch, who was eaten by the beasts in Rome around 107 A.D., wrote: "The Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ"
St. Justin the martyr wrote around 145 A. D: "We have been taught that the food is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh"
The dogma of the Real Presence remained unmolested down to the time of Berengarius of Tours who died in 1088. Until that time, the real presence in the Eucharist was understood by all and taken for granted.
He made a sincere retractation made in the presence of Pope Gregory VII at a synod held in Rome in 1079, and died reconciled to the Church.
The second controversy was opened by the reformation in the sixteenth century, when Luther was the only one among the reformers who still clung to the teachings of the Apostles and defended it.
He was opposed by Zwingli of Zurich who reduced the Eucharist to an empty, meaningless symbol.
John Calvin was seeking to bring about a COMPROMISE between the extremes of the Lutheran LITERAL and the Zwinglian FIGURATIVE interpretations, by suggesting instead of the substantial presence in one case or the symbolical in the other, a certain mean, "dynamic", presence, which according to Calvin>>> that at the moment of reception, the efficacy of Christ's Body and Blood is COMMUNICATED from heaven to the souls of the predestined and spiritually nourishes them.
Thanks to Melanchthon's pernicious and dishonest double-dealing, this attractive intermediary position of Calvin made such an impression even in Lutheran circles, that it was not until the Formula of Concord in 1577 that it was successfully rejected from the body of Lutheran doctrine.
The Council of Trent met the errors of the revolt with the dogmatic definition of the real presence in the Eucharist to oppose Zwingli's signum, realiter to Oecolampadius's figura, and essentialiter to Calvin's virtus (Session. XIII, Canon l).
And this teaching of the Council of Trent has ever been and is now the unwavering position of the whole of Catholic Christendom, preserving the beliefs of the Apostles.
Now read about Zwingli's signum, realiter to Oecolampadius's figura, and essentialiter to Calvin's virtus (Session. XIII, Canon l).
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Acts 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Please note that the word noble derives from the Greek word eugenes, which Strong's defines as follows-Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
2104. eugenes, yoog-en'-ace; from G2095 and G1096; well born, i.e. (lit.) high in rank, or (fig.) generous:--more noble, nobleman.
This is significant because it clearly is commending the Bereans over and above the Thessalonicans, because while they listened to Paul and Silas with an open mind, they still checked what they were told for accuracy by comparing it with the existing Old Testament scriptures. They did not just accept what they were told by anyone. They used scripture as their only ruler for truth. The principle of Sola Scriptura is very firmly and clearly established in this text.
It is also worth noting, that when Paul preached in Thessalonica and Berea, he reasoned with the people out of the scriptures. From the King James:
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Acts 17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
Paul used the written word of God to prove that Jesus was indeed the prophesied Messiah the Jews were waiting for. Scripture was the guide by which anyone could judge for themselves if Jesus of Nazareth met the prophetic requirements completely. Because of the success Paul and Silas were having in converting Jew and Gentile alike to Christianity (vs. 4,12), unbelieving Jews caused an uproar that drove them out of both Thessalonica and Berea (vs. 5-10, 13-14). The unbelieving Jews apparently viewed these conversions as a threat to Judaism as they knew it. But without scripture to use for validating the Gospel of Jesus Christ as Messiah, Paul would not have been able to prove anything.Acts 17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
2 Tim 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
So according to Paul's second letter to Timothy, scripture is sufficient to make you wise unto salvation. This directly contradicts Catholic claims that Scripture is insufficient, and dogma defined in Tradition is also essential to salvation.
We must, therefore, conclude that the Scriptures alone cannot be a sufficient guide and rule of faith because they cannot, at any time, be within the reach of every inquirer; because they are not of themselves clear and intelligible even in matters of the highest importance, and because they do not contain all the truths necessary for salvation.
Source: The Faith Of Our Fathers, (The Church and the Bible), by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 111th printing, copyright 1980 by TAN books and Publishers, Inc., ISBN: 0-89555-158-6,
If Paul is to be believed in 2 Tim 3:15, what need is there then for the unbiblical doctrines and teachings of Catholic Tradition? Who shall we believe, the Apostle Paul, or Cardinal Gibbons?
From the Catholic Living Bible:
Isa 8:19 So why are you trying to find out the future by consulting witches and mediums? Don't listen to their whisperings and mutterings. Can the living find out the future from the dead? Why not ask your God?
Isa 8:20 "Check these witches' words against the Word of God!" he says if their messages are different than mine, it is because I have not sent them; for they have no light or truth in them.
The words for law and testimony here mean the Word of God. The word law is torah, and testimony is te'uwdah. Torah may mean either the Decalogue or the Pentateuch, and same can be true of te'uwdah.
So this passage teaches that the written word of God is sufficient to reveal the way to eternal life, which is none other than Jesus Christ. It is as true today as it was the day it was written.
2 Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2 Cor 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
What then of Catholic Tradition? What of the dogmas of the apostolic succession, the immaculate conception of Mary, her assumption into heaven, her role as mediatrix of God's grace and the many other such unbiblical Catholic Traditions? What bearing do they really have on salvation?
Conclusion
Clearly Sola Scriptura stands as biblically taught truth. The decrees and pronouncements called "Tradition" by the Roman Catholic Church, which cannot be found in scripture, are therefore rightly defined as that "other gospel" that Paul spoke of.
So let those who teach that other gospel take solemn note of Paul's warning.
Sola Scripula: people in study of the Word of God during the sermon.
Tradition: Catholics with rosary beads reciting "Hail Mary" and no Bibles.
Isa 8:20 "Check these witches' words against the Word of God!" he says if their messages are different than mine, it is because I have not sent them; for they have no light or truth in them.
The words for law and testimony here mean the Word of God. The word law is torah, and testimony is te'uwdah. Torah may mean either the Decalogue or the Pentateuch, and same can be true of te'uwdah.
John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
John said in 20:30 that a sufficient number of the signs or miracles performed by Jesus ARE included in scripture to validate that He was indeed the Messiah, so that you will have a saving faith. Again, scripture includes whatever is necessary to bring you to a saving faith. Nothing that is necessary for salvation is left out. John 21:25 in no way changes that, nor can it be cited for proof of unwritten articles of faith (Tradition) required for salvation. It says essentially that not every deed or action of Jesus is recorded, (Just as John had stated earlier) but he again does not even hint at unrecorded doctrines.
Prov 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Prov 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
There is a clear warning here to those who would try and amend the word of God through additions. Isn't this exactly what the ex-cathedra Roman Catholic doctrines of the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of Mary are?Prov 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
John 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Here Jesus tells the Jews to study and search the scriptures, because they know that the way to eternal life can indeed be found there. That way to eternal life is revealed in scripture as Jesus Christ, the Messiah that the Jews had longed for. But the Jews did not even believe what Moses had written, and as a result repeatedly fell into apostasy. Jesus makes the point that if the Jews will not believe and obey what Moses had written in scripture, then how could they possibly believe the words spoken directly to them by the Christ that the scriptures reveal? Had the Jews properly understood and believed the scriptures, they would have recognized Jesus for who He was, the very Son of God.John 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
So this passage teaches that the written word of God is sufficient to reveal the way to eternal life, which is none other than Jesus Christ. It is as true today as it was the day it was written.
2 Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2 Cor 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
What then of Catholic Tradition? What of the dogmas of the apostolic succession, the immaculate conception of Mary, her assumption into heaven, her role as mediatrix of God's grace and the many other such unbiblical Catholic Traditions? What bearing do they really have on salvation?
Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
The gospel message as preached by Paul, and as recorded faithfully in the scriptures, is pure and remains sufficient to salvation. No doctrine or Tradition needs to be added to what Paul taught the early Christians. In fact, Paul condemns anyone who would teach a gospel other that what he had presented, which was the whole counsel of God..Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Conclusion
Clearly Sola Scriptura stands as biblically taught truth. The decrees and pronouncements called "Tradition" by the Roman Catholic Church, which cannot be found in scripture, are therefore rightly defined as that "other gospel" that Paul spoke of.
So let those who teach that other gospel take solemn note of Paul's warning.
Sola Scripula: people in study of the Word of God during the sermon.
Tradition: Catholics with rosary beads reciting "Hail Mary" and no Bibles.
This refers to the Bereans who used the Old Testament to confirm the oral teachings about the Messiah. The verses do not say the Bereans searched the Scriptures alone (which is what you are attempting to prove when quoting this passage).
Moreover, the Bereans accepted the oral teaching from Paul as God's word before searching the Scriptures, which disproves the Berean's use of sola Scriptura.
Acts 17:11-12 - Also, the Bereans, being more "noble" or "fair minded," meant that they were more reasonable and less violent than the Thessalonians in Acts. 17:5-9. Their greater fairmindedness was not because of their use of Scripture, which Paul directed his listeners to do as was his custom (Acts 17:3).
I already gave you a very EXPLICATE explanation of 2 Timothy 3:15.
Gen. to Rev. - Scripture never says that Scripture is the sole infallible authority for God's Word. Scripture also mandates the use of tradition. This fact alone disproves sola Scriptura.
Matt. 28:19; Mark 16:15 - those that preached the Gospel to all creation but did not write the Gospel were not less obedient to Jesus, or their teachings less important.
Matt. 28:20 - "observe ALL I have commanded," but, as we see in John 20:30; 21:25, not ALL Jesus taught is in Scripture. So there must be things outside of Scripture that we must observe. This disproves "Bible alone" theology.
Mark 16:15 - Jesus commands the apostles to "preach," not write, and only three apostles wrote. The others who did not write were not less faithful to Jesus, because Jesus gave them no directive to write. There is no evidence in the Bible or elsewhere that Jesus intended the Bible to be sole authority of the Christian faith.
Luke 1:1-4 - Luke acknowledges that the faithful have already received the teachings of Christ, and is writing his Gospel only so that they "realize the certainty of the teachings you have received." Luke writes to verify the oral tradition they already received.
John 20:30; 21:25 - Jesus did many other things not written in the Scriptures. These have been preserved through the oral apostolic tradition and they are equally a part of the Deposit of Faith.
Acts 8:30-31; Heb. 5:12 - these verses show that we need help in interpreting the Scriptures. We cannot interpret them infallibly on our own. We need divinely appointed leadership within the Church to teach us.
Acts 15:1-14 – Peter resolves the Church’s first doctrinal issue regarding circumcision without referring to Scriptures.
Acts 17:28 – Paul quotes the writings of the pagan poets when he taught at the Aeropagus. Thus, Paul appeals to sources outside of Scripture to teach about God.
1 Cor. 5:9-11 - this verse shows that a prior letter written to Corinth is equally authoritative but not part of the New Testament canon. Paul is again appealing to a source outside of Scripture to teach the Corinthians. This disproves Scripture alone.
1 Cor. 11:2 - Paul commends the faithful to obey apostolic tradition, and not Scripture alone.
Phil. 4:9 - Paul says that what you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, do. There is nothing ever about obeying Scripture alone.
Col. 4:16 - this verse shows that a prior letter written to Laodicea is equally authoritative but not part of the New Testament canon. Paul once again appeals to a source outside of the Bible to teach about the Word of God.
1 Thess. 2:13 – Paul says, “when you received the word of God, which you heard from us..” How can the Bible be teaching first century Christians that only the Bible is their infallible source of teaching if, at the same time, oral revelation was being given to them as well? Protestants can’t claim that there is one authority (Bible) while allowing two sources of authority (Bible and oral revelation).
1 Thess. 3:10 - Paul wants to see the Thessalonians face to face and supply what is lacking. His letter is not enough.
2 Thess. 2:14 - Paul says that God has called us "through our Gospel."
What is the fullness of the Gospel? 2 Thess. 2:15 - the fullness of the Gospel is the apostolic tradition which includes either teaching by word of mouth or by letter. Scripture does not say "letter alone." The Catholic Church has the fullness of the Christian faith through its rich traditions of Scripture, oral tradition and teaching authority (or Magisterium).
2 Thess 3:6 - Paul instructs us to obey apostolic tradition. There is no instruction in the Scriptures about obeying the Bible alone (the word "Bible" is not even in the Bible).
1 Tim. 3:14-15 - Paul prefers to speak and not write, and is writing only in the event that he is delayed and cannot be with Timothy.
2 Tim. 2:2 - Paul says apostolic tradition is passed on to future generations, but he says nothing about all apostolic traditions being eventually committed to the Bible.
2 Tim. 3:14 - continue in what you have learned and believed knowing from whom you learned it. Again, this refers to tradition which is found outside of the Bible.
James 4:5 - James even appeals to Scripture outside of the Old Testament canon ("He yearns jealously over the spirit which He has made...")
2 Peter 1:20 - interpreting Scripture is not a matter of one's own private interpretation. Therefore, it must be a matter of "public" interpretation of the Church. The Divine Word needs a Divine Interpreter. Private judgment leads to divisions. The Dept of Labor, last year, counted over 43,000 sects in the United States. By now it must be closer to 48,000. In Britain, I've been told the Home Secretary's Dept has counted over 53,000 disagreeing sects.
2 Peter 3:15-16 - Peter says Paul's letters are inspired, but not all his letters are in the New Testament canon. See, for example, 1 Cor. 5:9-10; Col. 4:16. Also, Peter's use of the word "ignorant" means unschooled, which presupposes the requirement of oral apostolic instruction that comes from the Church.
2 Peter 3:16 - the Scriptures are difficult to understand and can be distorted by the ignorant to their destruction. God did not guarantee the Holy Spirit would lead each of us to infallibly interpret the Scriptures. But this is what protestants must argue in order to support their doctrine of sola Scriptura. History and countless divisions in protestantism disprove it.
1 John 4:1 - again, God instructs us to test all things, test all spirits. Notwithstanding what many protestants argue, God's Word is not always obvious.
1 Sam. 3:1-9 - for example, the Lord speaks to Samuel, but Samuel doesn't recognize it is God. The Word of God is not self-attesting.
1 Kings 13:1-32 - in this story, we see that a man can't discern between God's word (the commandment "don't eat") and a prophet's erroneous word (that God had rescinded his commandment "don't eat"). The words of the Bible, in spite of what many protestants must argue, are not always clear and understandable.
This is why there are different protestant (churches) and One Holy Catholic And Apostolic Church.
Gen. to Rev. - protestants must admit that knowing what books belong in the Bible is necessary for our salvation. However, because the Bible has no "inspired contents page," you must look outside the Bible to see how its books were selected.
This destroys the sola scriptura theory. The canon of Scripture is a Revelation from God which is necessary for our salvation, and which comes from outside the Bible. Instead, this Revelation was given by God to the Catholic Church, the pinnacle and foundation of the truth (1 Tim. 3:15).
The New Testament doesnt have to back up the Apostolic Church. The Apostolic Church backs up what members of the Church wrote.
The Church compiled the Bible to reflect the teaching of the Apostles and the Church.. The Apostles did not teach because they read the bible to see what they would write later on! LOL
So much for sola scriptura. I only needed ONE verse to DISPROVE it. Luther and his buddies made it up after they were excommunicated from the Church.
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BEING INDIGENOUS TO AUSTRALIA (HALF CAST) I WAS ALLOCATED CATHLIC AS BEING MY RELIGEN,FEAR AND DEPRIVISIONARE THE MAIN THINGS I HAVE LEARNED. SINCE RESIEVING JESUS AS MY SAVIOR AND FRIEND IN 2001, I HAD ALWAYS THOUGHT CATHLIC AS BEING LIMITED, I WAS VERY CONCERNED WHEN I LEARN THAT THE NEW POPE HAD COME UP WITH THE WORLDS NEW DEADLY SINS I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 4 NEW ONES,
I KNOW SIN IS SIN THERE IS NO BIG SIN OR NO SMALL SINS, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT'S CONVICTION POWER IS WHAT REVEILS THEM TO ME
I HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE CROSS IN CHURCHES IS A GRAVEN IMAGE AND HAVE RECENTLY LEARND THE THE CROSS IS THE MOST SINFUL THING OF ALL, THE CROSS WAS ME, AND WHEN JESUS WAS NAILED TO IT, HE BECAME ONE WITH ME.
ON THE DAY OF ATONEMENT, THEY WAS TOLD THAT THEY MUST AFFLICT THE SOUL AND DO NO WORK OR THEY WOULD BE AT RISK OF BEING CUT OFF. CHIST SAID IT IS FINISH AND HE HAS GIVE US KEYS OR AUTHORITY
IT IS VERY DANGEROUS AND STILL HAPPENS, THE CONFUSION AND FEAR OF RELIGON.
THE BIBLE TELLS ME THAT IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT GIVES LIFE TEACHES US COMFORTS US CONVICTS US BUT WHEN THERES IS PEOPLE IN HIGH RANKING POSITION INNOSENT PEOPLE ARE HARMED,
I PROPHETICALLY DECLARE THAT THE THESE FALSE PROPHETS WILL BE BROUGHT TO A HUMBLED POSITION BEFORE THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD AND RECIEVE THE FIRE OF REVELATION AND BRING ABOUT A CHANGE TO THEIR TEACHINGS, I SAY THIS IN THE NAME OF JESUS THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD.
I KNOW SIN IS SIN THERE IS NO BIG SIN OR NO SMALL SINS, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT'S CONVICTION POWER IS WHAT REVEILS THEM TO ME
I HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE CROSS IN CHURCHES IS A GRAVEN IMAGE AND HAVE RECENTLY LEARND THE THE CROSS IS THE MOST SINFUL THING OF ALL, THE CROSS WAS ME, AND WHEN JESUS WAS NAILED TO IT, HE BECAME ONE WITH ME.
ON THE DAY OF ATONEMENT, THEY WAS TOLD THAT THEY MUST AFFLICT THE SOUL AND DO NO WORK OR THEY WOULD BE AT RISK OF BEING CUT OFF. CHIST SAID IT IS FINISH AND HE HAS GIVE US KEYS OR AUTHORITY
IT IS VERY DANGEROUS AND STILL HAPPENS, THE CONFUSION AND FEAR OF RELIGON.
THE BIBLE TELLS ME THAT IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT GIVES LIFE TEACHES US COMFORTS US CONVICTS US BUT WHEN THERES IS PEOPLE IN HIGH RANKING POSITION INNOSENT PEOPLE ARE HARMED,
I PROPHETICALLY DECLARE THAT THE THESE FALSE PROPHETS WILL BE BROUGHT TO A HUMBLED POSITION BEFORE THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD AND RECIEVE THE FIRE OF REVELATION AND BRING ABOUT A CHANGE TO THEIR TEACHINGS, I SAY THIS IN THE NAME OF JESUS THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD.
K
THAT'S my point! The catholic denomination has been wrong since 107 A.D. and has passed that "tradition" down ever since. You'd NEVER have seen nor read how the disciples carried some bread in a box and displayed it in towns as THE Body of Jesus.
"Hear ye! Hear ye! 'Jesus the Bread' is passing through!"
Such idolitry.
S
Matt. 26:26-28; Mark. 14:22,24; Luke 22;19-20; 1 Cor. 11:24-25 - Jesus says, this IS my body and blood. Jesus does not say, this is a symbol of my body and blood.
Matt. 26:26; Mark. 14:22; Luke 22:19-20 - The Greek phrase is "Touto estin to soma mou." This phraseology means "this is actually" or "this is really" my body and blood.
1 Cor. 11:24 - The same translation is used by Paul - "touto mou estin to soma." The statement is "this is really" my body and blood. Nowhere in Scripture does God ever declare something without making it so.
They will swear to you that every word in the Bible is to be believed literally, until they come to John 6, then Jesus is "metaphorical" even when He says his Flesh is REAL food and blood REAL drink.
S
Should we have burned Michelangelo at the stake? Perhaps, strung Leonardo Da Vinci up by the neck?
Maybe we should have gotten to these guys before they learned how to sculpture and paint.
Catholics use medals and statues, but not as objects of worship in violation of the First Commandment.
They are intended to be reminders or aids to devotion which focus one's attention on prayer and the practice of virtue.
Do you carry a picture of a loved one in your wallet or in person, and if so, do you worship it? Of course not! You carry it because you love your family and wish to have a visual representation of them.
Do you take offense at the presence of statues of our country's heroes at national monuments? If the heroes of the nation can be so honored, why not the heroes of the Church?
Worshipping an invisible alien (strange) god, adoration given a graven image as a visible alien god or making any signs of adoration is exactly the essence of idolatry.
Did God break HIS OWN prohibition against images in Exo 25 when he COMMANDED Moses make the images of two cherubim for His Ark?
Statues and paintings focus attention on God. Statues are good only so long as it is understood that it is God who is adored, not an image.
As for bowing down in front of statues, you might want to see (Joshua 7:6-8) in which Joshua and all the elders of Israel bow to the ark with its statues.
Statues, paintings, stained glass windows and other art in Catholics churches serve to educate the members of our assembly in the Bible and in the Faith.
In the Middle Ages when so few could read, art was the way in which Christians learned the Holy Scripture.
The art on the walls of churches was called 'the Bible of the poor" since books were rare, took years to copy by hand, and were very expensive to purchase.
No artwork in a Catholic church is adored. Adoration is strictly limited to God alone. Statues of saints remind us of the heroic sanctity of these persons who followed Jesus.
No adoration is offered these statues since a block of wood or hunk of marble, however beautiful, is not God. So, adoring it would be pretty dumb.
Anyone who thinks Catholics believe a chunk of rock is God must be even dumber.
Deut. 5:8 - God's commandment "thou shall not make a graven image" is entirely connected to the worship of false gods.
God does not prohibit images to be used in worship, but He prohibits the images themselves to be worshiped.
Exodus 25:18-22; 26:1,31 - for example, God commands the making of the image of a golden cherubim. This heavenly image, of course, is not worshiped by the Israelites. Instead, the image disposes their minds to the supernatural and draws them to God.
Num. 21:8-9 - God also commands the making of the bronze serpent. The image of the bronze serpent is not an idol to be worshiped, but an article that lifts the mind to the supernatural.
I Kings 6:23-36; 7:27-39; 8:6-67 - Solomon's temple contains statues of cherubim and images of cherubim, oxen and lions. God did not condemn these images that were used in worship.
2 Kings 18:4 - it was only when the people began to worship the statue did they incur God's wrath, and the king destroyed it.
The command prohibiting the use of graven images deals exclusively with the false worship of those images.
1 Chron. 28:18-19 - David gives Solomon the plan for the altar made of refined gold with a golden cherubim images. These images were used in the Jews' most solemn place of worship.
2 Chron. 3:7-14 - the house was lined with gold with elaborate cherubim carved in wood and overlaid with gold.
Ezek. 41:15 - Ezekiel describes graven images in the temple consisting of carved likenesses of cherubim. These are similar to the images of the angels and saints in many
Catholic churches. Col. 1:15 - the only image of God that Catholics worship is Jesus Christ, who is the "image" (Greek "eikon") of the invisible God.
Maybe we should have gotten to these guys before they learned how to sculpture and paint.
Catholics use medals and statues, but not as objects of worship in violation of the First Commandment.
They are intended to be reminders or aids to devotion which focus one's attention on prayer and the practice of virtue.
Do you carry a picture of a loved one in your wallet or in person, and if so, do you worship it? Of course not! You carry it because you love your family and wish to have a visual representation of them.
Do you take offense at the presence of statues of our country's heroes at national monuments? If the heroes of the nation can be so honored, why not the heroes of the Church?
Worshipping an invisible alien (strange) god, adoration given a graven image as a visible alien god or making any signs of adoration is exactly the essence of idolatry.
Did God break HIS OWN prohibition against images in Exo 25 when he COMMANDED Moses make the images of two cherubim for His Ark?
Statues and paintings focus attention on God. Statues are good only so long as it is understood that it is God who is adored, not an image.
As for bowing down in front of statues, you might want to see (Joshua 7:6-8) in which Joshua and all the elders of Israel bow to the ark with its statues.
Statues, paintings, stained glass windows and other art in Catholics churches serve to educate the members of our assembly in the Bible and in the Faith.
In the Middle Ages when so few could read, art was the way in which Christians learned the Holy Scripture.
The art on the walls of churches was called 'the Bible of the poor" since books were rare, took years to copy by hand, and were very expensive to purchase.
No artwork in a Catholic church is adored. Adoration is strictly limited to God alone. Statues of saints remind us of the heroic sanctity of these persons who followed Jesus.
No adoration is offered these statues since a block of wood or hunk of marble, however beautiful, is not God. So, adoring it would be pretty dumb.
Anyone who thinks Catholics believe a chunk of rock is God must be even dumber.
Deut. 5:8 - God's commandment "thou shall not make a graven image" is entirely connected to the worship of false gods.
God does not prohibit images to be used in worship, but He prohibits the images themselves to be worshiped.
Exodus 25:18-22; 26:1,31 - for example, God commands the making of the image of a golden cherubim. This heavenly image, of course, is not worshiped by the Israelites. Instead, the image disposes their minds to the supernatural and draws them to God.
Num. 21:8-9 - God also commands the making of the bronze serpent. The image of the bronze serpent is not an idol to be worshiped, but an article that lifts the mind to the supernatural.
I Kings 6:23-36; 7:27-39; 8:6-67 - Solomon's temple contains statues of cherubim and images of cherubim, oxen and lions. God did not condemn these images that were used in worship.
2 Kings 18:4 - it was only when the people began to worship the statue did they incur God's wrath, and the king destroyed it.
The command prohibiting the use of graven images deals exclusively with the false worship of those images.
1 Chron. 28:18-19 - David gives Solomon the plan for the altar made of refined gold with a golden cherubim images. These images were used in the Jews' most solemn place of worship.
2 Chron. 3:7-14 - the house was lined with gold with elaborate cherubim carved in wood and overlaid with gold.
Ezek. 41:15 - Ezekiel describes graven images in the temple consisting of carved likenesses of cherubim. These are similar to the images of the angels and saints in many
Catholic churches. Col. 1:15 - the only image of God that Catholics worship is Jesus Christ, who is the "image" (Greek "eikon") of the invisible God.
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Saved by grace thru faith is a partial teaching. Jesus says you have to clothe the naked and feed the hungry as well, or else you rate everlasting ****ation. Matthew 25:31-46 has the entire story.
The obvious interpretation of this passage is that Jesus will gather everyone who has ever lived and judge each person individually on the basis of their good works while they were on earth.
Shall we take a peek at how this passage relates to REV 20:12-15?
REV 20: 12-15 I saw the dead, the great and the lowly, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. Then another scroll was opened, the book of life.
The dead were judged according to their deeds, by what was written in the scrolls. The sea gave up its dead; then Death and Hades gave up their dead. All the dead were judged according to their deeds.
Then Death and Hades were thrown into the pool of fire. (This pool of fire is the second death. ) Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the pool of fire.
Why does Rev 14: 12-13 say, Here is what sustains the holy ones who keep God's commandments and their faith in Jesus. I heard a voice from heaven say, "Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on." "Yes," said the Spirit, "let them find rest from their labors, for their works accompany them." ?
In addition to faith in Jesus, the book of Rev insists upon the necessity and value of works, as in Rev 2:23; 20:12-13; 22:12; and Matthew 16:27
Rev 2:23 I will also put her children to death. Thus shall all the churches come to know that I am the searcher of hearts and minds and that I will give each of you what your works deserve.
Rev 22:12 "Behold, I am coming soon. I bring with me the recompense I will give to each according to his deeds.
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father's glory, and then he will repay everyone according to his conduct. >>> The parousia and final judgment are described in Matthew 25:31
Now read the parable of the talents (Matthew 25:14-30), the talents represent grace that is freely given to man. Those who do not "cooperate" with that grace will have that grace taken from them.
The increase of the talents by the faithful servants are those who by good works, prayers and preaching increase the number of the faithful.
In Matthew 25:24 we see that those who fail to follow the will of God often use the excuse that it is too hard.
In the parable of the sheep and the goats, Our Lord uses yet another example of how we shall be judged by our actions, our works, especially works of charity.
As per Matthew 10:42 The righteous will be astonished that in caring for the needs of the sufferers they were ministering to the Lord himself.
Matthew 10:42 And whoever gives only a cup of cold water to one of these little ones to drink because he is a disciple--amen, I say to you, he will surely not lose his reward.
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father's glory, and then he will repay everyone according to his conduct.
Romans 2: 5 - 8 By your stubbornness and impenitent heart, you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of wrath and revelation of the just judgment of God, who will repay everyone according to his works: eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works, but wrath and fury to those who selfishly disobey the truth and obey wickedness.
Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
If you read it in context (Matthew 5:13-16) By their deeds the disciples are to influence the world for good. They can no more escape notice than a city set on a mountain.
If they fail in good works, they are as useless as flavorless salt or as a lamp whose light is concealed.
The unusual supposition of salt losing its flavor has led some to suppose that the saying refers to the salt of the Dead Sea that, because chemically impure, could lose its taste.
Eph. 2: 8-9 - We have been saved by grace through faith, not because of "works," lest anyone boast.
Paul intends to show that neither the observance of the Jewish Law nor the merely natural good works of the pagans are of any value for obtaining the grace of justification.
When Paul speaks of the works of the Law, Paul is concerned with Mosaic observances such as circumcision, not acts of Christian obedience.
This refers to the "works" of Mosaic law or any works performed in a legalistic sense where we view God as a debtor to us, and not as our heavenly Father.
Paul is teaching us that, with the coming of Christ, we are now saved by grace through faith, not by Mosaic or legal works. This is why Paul refers to “works of ourselves” and so we can’t “boast.”
Many ignore the very next verse. Right after Paul's teaching on "works" referring to Mosaic law, Paul says we are created in Christ for "good works".
Paul says the same thing about “works” in Romans 4:2-4. If Abraham was justified by “works,” he would have something to “boast” about. Here, the wages are not counted as grace, but debt.
“Boasting” does not attribute works to God, but to oneself. But good works done in faith are necessary for justification (James 2:24) And this is EXACTLY why Luther wanted to toss James!
Romans 4:2 corresponds to Romans 4:4, and Romans 4:3-5. The Greek term here rendered credited means "made an entry." The context determines whether it is credit or debit.
Romans 4: 3-5 "For what does the scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."
A worker's wage is credited not as a gift, but as something due. But when one does not work, yet believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness."
Romans 4:8 speaks of "recording sin" as a debit. "Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord does not record."
Paul's repeated use of accountants' terminology in this and other passages can be traced both to the Old Testament texts he quotes and to his business activity as a tentmaker.
The commercial term in Genesis 15:6, "credited it to him," reminds Paul in Romans 4:7-8 of Psalm 32:2, in which the same term is used and applied to forgiveness of sins.
Genesis 15:6 Abram put his faith in the LORD, who credited it to him as an act of righteousness. Psalm 32:2 Happy those to whom the LORD imputes no guilt, in whose spirit is no deceit.
Thus Paul is able to argue that Abraham's faith involved receipt of forgiveness of sins and that all believers benefit as he did through faith.
James 2:24 appears to conflict with Paul's statement. However, James combats the "ERROR" of extremists who used the doctrine of justification through faith as a screen for moral self-determination.
Paul discusses the subject of holiness in greater detail than does James and beginning with Romans 6 shows how justification through faith "INTRODUCES" one to the gift of a new life in Christ through the power of the holy Spirit.
We cannot have Paul contradicting Jesus and James, can we? I would think they need to COMPLIMENT each other.
After you get done reading EPH 2:8-9 read verse 11 and 12 which says>>>
Therefore, remember that at one time you, Gentiles in the flesh, called the uncircumcision by those called the circumcision, which is done in the flesh by human hands, were at that time without Christ, alienated from the community of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, without hope and without God in the world.
The Gentiles lacked Israel's messianic expectation, lacked the various covenants God made with Israel, lacked hope of salvation and knowledge of the true God (Eph 2:11-12); but through Christ all these religious barriers between Jew and Gentile have been transcended (Eph 2:13-14) by the abolition of the Mosaic covenant-law (Eph 2:15) for the sake of uniting Jew and Gentile into a single religious community (Eph 2:15-16), imbued with the same holy Spirit and worshiping the same Father (Eph 2:18).
The Gentiles are now included in God's household (Eph 2:19) as it arises upon the foundation of apostles assisted by those endowed with the prophetic gift (Eph 3:5), the preachers of Christ (Eph 2:20; 1 Cor 12:28). With Christ as the capstone (Eph 2:20; Isaiah 28:16; Matthew 21:42), they are being built into the holy temple of God's people where the divine presence dwells (Eph 2:21-22).
The obvious interpretation of this passage is that Jesus will gather everyone who has ever lived and judge each person individually on the basis of their good works while they were on earth.
Shall we take a peek at how this passage relates to REV 20:12-15?
REV 20: 12-15 I saw the dead, the great and the lowly, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. Then another scroll was opened, the book of life.
The dead were judged according to their deeds, by what was written in the scrolls. The sea gave up its dead; then Death and Hades gave up their dead. All the dead were judged according to their deeds.
Then Death and Hades were thrown into the pool of fire. (This pool of fire is the second death. ) Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the pool of fire.
Why does Rev 14: 12-13 say, Here is what sustains the holy ones who keep God's commandments and their faith in Jesus. I heard a voice from heaven say, "Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on." "Yes," said the Spirit, "let them find rest from their labors, for their works accompany them." ?
In addition to faith in Jesus, the book of Rev insists upon the necessity and value of works, as in Rev 2:23; 20:12-13; 22:12; and Matthew 16:27
Rev 2:23 I will also put her children to death. Thus shall all the churches come to know that I am the searcher of hearts and minds and that I will give each of you what your works deserve.
Rev 22:12 "Behold, I am coming soon. I bring with me the recompense I will give to each according to his deeds.
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father's glory, and then he will repay everyone according to his conduct. >>> The parousia and final judgment are described in Matthew 25:31
Now read the parable of the talents (Matthew 25:14-30), the talents represent grace that is freely given to man. Those who do not "cooperate" with that grace will have that grace taken from them.
The increase of the talents by the faithful servants are those who by good works, prayers and preaching increase the number of the faithful.
In Matthew 25:24 we see that those who fail to follow the will of God often use the excuse that it is too hard.
In the parable of the sheep and the goats, Our Lord uses yet another example of how we shall be judged by our actions, our works, especially works of charity.
As per Matthew 10:42 The righteous will be astonished that in caring for the needs of the sufferers they were ministering to the Lord himself.
Matthew 10:42 And whoever gives only a cup of cold water to one of these little ones to drink because he is a disciple--amen, I say to you, he will surely not lose his reward.
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father's glory, and then he will repay everyone according to his conduct.
Romans 2: 5 - 8 By your stubbornness and impenitent heart, you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of wrath and revelation of the just judgment of God, who will repay everyone according to his works: eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works, but wrath and fury to those who selfishly disobey the truth and obey wickedness.
Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
If you read it in context (Matthew 5:13-16) By their deeds the disciples are to influence the world for good. They can no more escape notice than a city set on a mountain.
If they fail in good works, they are as useless as flavorless salt or as a lamp whose light is concealed.
The unusual supposition of salt losing its flavor has led some to suppose that the saying refers to the salt of the Dead Sea that, because chemically impure, could lose its taste.
Eph. 2: 8-9 - We have been saved by grace through faith, not because of "works," lest anyone boast.
Paul intends to show that neither the observance of the Jewish Law nor the merely natural good works of the pagans are of any value for obtaining the grace of justification.
When Paul speaks of the works of the Law, Paul is concerned with Mosaic observances such as circumcision, not acts of Christian obedience.
This refers to the "works" of Mosaic law or any works performed in a legalistic sense where we view God as a debtor to us, and not as our heavenly Father.
Paul is teaching us that, with the coming of Christ, we are now saved by grace through faith, not by Mosaic or legal works. This is why Paul refers to “works of ourselves” and so we can’t “boast.”
Many ignore the very next verse. Right after Paul's teaching on "works" referring to Mosaic law, Paul says we are created in Christ for "good works".
Paul says the same thing about “works” in Romans 4:2-4. If Abraham was justified by “works,” he would have something to “boast” about. Here, the wages are not counted as grace, but debt.
“Boasting” does not attribute works to God, but to oneself. But good works done in faith are necessary for justification (James 2:24) And this is EXACTLY why Luther wanted to toss James!
Romans 4:2 corresponds to Romans 4:4, and Romans 4:3-5. The Greek term here rendered credited means "made an entry." The context determines whether it is credit or debit.
Romans 4: 3-5 "For what does the scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."
A worker's wage is credited not as a gift, but as something due. But when one does not work, yet believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness."
Romans 4:8 speaks of "recording sin" as a debit. "Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord does not record."
Paul's repeated use of accountants' terminology in this and other passages can be traced both to the Old Testament texts he quotes and to his business activity as a tentmaker.
The commercial term in Genesis 15:6, "credited it to him," reminds Paul in Romans 4:7-8 of Psalm 32:2, in which the same term is used and applied to forgiveness of sins.
Genesis 15:6 Abram put his faith in the LORD, who credited it to him as an act of righteousness. Psalm 32:2 Happy those to whom the LORD imputes no guilt, in whose spirit is no deceit.
Thus Paul is able to argue that Abraham's faith involved receipt of forgiveness of sins and that all believers benefit as he did through faith.
James 2:24 appears to conflict with Paul's statement. However, James combats the "ERROR" of extremists who used the doctrine of justification through faith as a screen for moral self-determination.
Paul discusses the subject of holiness in greater detail than does James and beginning with Romans 6 shows how justification through faith "INTRODUCES" one to the gift of a new life in Christ through the power of the holy Spirit.
We cannot have Paul contradicting Jesus and James, can we? I would think they need to COMPLIMENT each other.
After you get done reading EPH 2:8-9 read verse 11 and 12 which says>>>
Therefore, remember that at one time you, Gentiles in the flesh, called the uncircumcision by those called the circumcision, which is done in the flesh by human hands, were at that time without Christ, alienated from the community of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, without hope and without God in the world.
The Gentiles lacked Israel's messianic expectation, lacked the various covenants God made with Israel, lacked hope of salvation and knowledge of the true God (Eph 2:11-12); but through Christ all these religious barriers between Jew and Gentile have been transcended (Eph 2:13-14) by the abolition of the Mosaic covenant-law (Eph 2:15) for the sake of uniting Jew and Gentile into a single religious community (Eph 2:15-16), imbued with the same holy Spirit and worshiping the same Father (Eph 2:18).
The Gentiles are now included in God's household (Eph 2:19) as it arises upon the foundation of apostles assisted by those endowed with the prophetic gift (Eph 3:5), the preachers of Christ (Eph 2:20; 1 Cor 12:28). With Christ as the capstone (Eph 2:20; Isaiah 28:16; Matthew 21:42), they are being built into the holy temple of God's people where the divine presence dwells (Eph 2:21-22).
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Matthew 16 18-19 And I tell you that YOU are Peter and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
I will give YOU the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
John 21: 15-17 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?
He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs."
He then said to him a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Tend my sheep."
He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?"
Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, "Do you love me?" and he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you." (Jesus) said to him, "Feed my sheep.
In Matthew 16:19 Our Lord gives St. Peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven. This act corresponds to a prophecy in Isaiah concerning Eliakim, the prime minister of Israel (Isaiah 22:20-22).
As King David was a type of Christ as the King of Israel; the figure of Eliakim is a prophecy of the role of St. Peter as the prime minister of the Kingdom of God.
In the time of Christ, it was the prime minister who bore the keys of the kingdom and administered the authority of the king.
Christ gave Peter ALONE the "keys of the kingdom" (Matt. 16:19) and promised that Peter’s decisions would be binding in heaven.
He also gave similar power to the other Apostles (Matt. 18:18), but ONLY Peter was given the keys, symbols of his authority to rule the Church on earth in Jesus’ absence.
He also gave similar power to the other Apostles (Matt. 18:18), but ONLY Peter was given the keys, symbols of his authority to rule the Church on earth in Jesus’ absence.
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