Praying in Tongues

[Noose]

OK

On what basis do you call the church fathers?

 

[CS1]

Wrong.
We are having one Father, He who is in heaven; the people on earth, whether they want honor or not are never to be called 'spiritual fathers' for that reason- the reason being, we have one Father in heaven. But why do you have 'church fathers', is it because they (church fathers) did not want honor but you have decided to give them honor? or is it because the church originated from them?

Ah, I said that yes we have ONE FATHER notice the (F) Father is always meaning God in the word. Whereas (f) father is not. YOU do know the word Father and father are different in the Hebrew and Greek right? And you can say wrong all you want but the context of Matthew chapter 22 and 23 is correct. read it again.

 

[Noose]

Ah, I said that yes we have ONE FATHER notice the (F) Father is always meaning God in the word. Whereas (f) father is not. YOU do know the word Father and father are different in the Hebrew and Greek right? And you can say wrong all you want but the context of Matthew chapter 22 and 23 is correct. read it again.

Good luck with you understanding.

 

[CS1]

You are expecting me to believe this when it is 100% contrary to the way it happened in Acts?

And on top of this....Paul....who was taught by direct revelation from Jesus, the same Paul who was inspired by God and which writes almost HALF of the New Testament said that he would rather speak 5 words of understanding then 10,000 in an UNKNOWN language.

And yet we are expected to believe that what took place is biblical even though it

a. Is not similar to what took place in Acts
b. Flies in the face of what Paul said concerning "UNKNOWN" tongues

Were you there to witness it?

And sorry......I cannot accept something as biblical when it is not even similar to what actually took place in Acts 2........Peter and company spoke in their own tongue and the people heard in their own language.....


I am not mouthing, arguing or being flippant in my remarks.........I can only go with biblical examples CS......

I do not expect you to believe anything. And you do not know how fully the gifts of tongues worked in Acts other then what the word of God said what we do know is the 120 spoke in a language they did not know to people who knew they did not know it because of their race. What Acts does not say :

1. those speaking New what they were saying
2. the name of the person(s) who was speaking

You clearly do not know what happens in Acts or the correct context of 1cor chapter 12 to 14.

 

[CS1]

Good luck with you understanding.

No luck needed. Are you saying the word in Hebrew for father in reference to God is the same word for father who brought one forth from a sexual relation? and the same in Greek?

what a prideful man you are. You I bet in a past post said that too.

 

[CS1]

On what basis do you call the church fathers?

what is the word church in the New Testament? and what is the word father in the New? they have many meanings depending on the way the word has been used. If you do not agree with that, we're done.

 

[Noose]

what is the word church in the New Testament? and what is the word father in the New? they have many meanings depending on the way the word has been used. If you do not agree with that, we're done.

I said , good luck with your understanding meaning, there's no point of arguing the meaning of the word 'father' as used in Matt 23. If you want to believe that the Pharisees wanted to be called fathers because they brought people forth sexually, that's on you.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Supernaturally given knowledge would VANISH AWAY....it has with the completed word of GOD...there is no new revelation....and when Corinthians was written, there was some 35 to 40 years left to complete the N.T........all three ended with the COMPLETED word of God......there is NO need for the signs anymore.....faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God....NOT signs......

well that isn't true and I know that personally

you confuse what, for example, a word of knowledge is, with ADDED revelation to scripture

and sorry, but that lame ole 'the Bible is the perfect' does not fit in context with the rest of what was being said

there are no more need for signs? really? so everyone is saved and on their way to heaven? and you are omnipresent and can state that with a straight face and the authority of God? do you speak for Him? you know all things do you?

maybe you should brush up on what signs were for in the first place

when people address scripture with no approach other than their recognizance, they are bound to fire the Holy Spirit and depend on themselves and address themselves as the authority

yet, the Bible says it must be spiritually understood. what you do, is to tie up the Holy Spirit and gift box Him to yourself and say that He no longer acts beyond the understanding you have and others who identify as cessationist

again, that is your choice, but it is not biblical

think of God as you will and that will pretty much be the way you receive Him

He is either God and His Spirit still reveals Him to those who accept what scripture teaches, or, He has become an idol that people worship with their own understanding

yes I said that

anyway, I'm done with your posts, at least for now; your opinions are well noted by all

 

[Noose]

well that isn't true and I know that personally

you confuse what, for example, a word of knowledge is, with ADDED revelation to scripture

and sorry, but that lame ole 'the Bible is the perfect' does not fit in context with the rest of what was being said

there are no more need for signs? really? so everyone is saved and on their way to heaven? and you are omnipresent and can state that with a straight face and the authority of God? do you speak for Him? you know all things do you?

maybe you should brush up on what signs were for in the first place

when people address scripture with no approach other than their recognizance, they are bound to fire the Holy Spirit and depend on themselves and address themselves as the authority

yet, the Bible says it must be spiritually understood. what you do, is to tie up the Holy Spirit and gift box Him to yourself and say that He no longer acts beyond the understanding you have and others who identify as cessationist

again, that is your choice, but it is not biblical

think of God as you will and that will pretty much be the way you receive Him

He is either God and His Spirit still reveals Him to those who accept what scripture teaches, or, He has become an idol that people worship with their own understanding

yes I said that

anyway, I'm done with your posts, at least for now; your opinions are well noted by all

Do you believe there are people today with the ability to physically raise the dead?

 

[RickyZ]

Sigh... continuing debate on semantics. Meanwhile, the fact that people are rescued/softened/edified by it, to the glory of God, means nothing.

Shouldn't that be the real test, that if done the way the Bible describes it, it produces the result the Bible says it will produce?

 

[RickyZ]

Do you believe there are people today with the ability to physically raise the dead?

No. But there are people today who will make themselves available to be used of God to raise the dead. It's God who raises the dead. people are but the catalyst thru which it happens.

 

[Noose]

Sigh... continuing debate on semantics. Meanwhile, the fact that people are rescued/softened/edified by it, to the glory of God, means nothing.

Shouldn't that be the real test, that if done the way the Bible describes it, it produces the result the Bible says it will produce?

Does the bible tell people to speak meaningless words and expect results? what results would they expect when they don't understand their utterances?

 

[Noose]

No. But there are people today who will make themselves available to be used of God to raise the dead. It's God who raises the dead. people are but the catalyst thru which it happens.

Then there must be people who will make themselves available to be used of God to speak in tongues too because the same spirit that raises the dead is the same spirit that gifted people the ability to speak in tongues. It is just funny that the distribution nowadays is skewed so that almost everyone speaks meaningless words and non interprets or heals or raises the dead.

 

[RickyZ]

No, the Bible says to speak in tongues and be edified by it. You know the scripture, it's been shared with you a million times.

 

[RickyZ]

Then there must be people who will make themselves available to be used of God to speak in tongues too because the same spirit that raises the dead is the same spirit that gifted people the ability to speak in tongues. It is just funny that the distribution nowadays is skewed so that almost everyone speaks meaningless words and non interprets or heals or raises the dead.

Very true. I will admit that there are so many false uses these days, it is hard to see and tell a genuine use.

 

[Noose]

No, the Bible says to speak in tongues and be edified by it. You know the scripture, it's been shared with you a million times.

Self edification is wrong, the gifts were to benefit all within the assembly. There's no love in self edification too because love is about others and never self.

 

[RickyZ]

Again, why would satan go to such great lengths to falsify them, if there wasn't a kernel of truth in it?

 

[Noose]

Very true. I will admit that there are so many false uses these days, it is hard to see and tell a genuine use.

But because non has availed themselves today to be used for raising the dead, we can also say non has availed themselves to be used for tongues (genuine tongues). Every one of them is fake.

 

[RickyZ]

Self edification is wrong, the gifts were to benefit all within the assembly. There's no love in self edification too because love is about others and never self.

Yes. Every other gift is intended to edify someone else. Tongues is the only one that edifies the user. I suspect that is why Paul said it is the least of the gifts, yet it was also the only one he wished we ALL would do. Kind of a recharge station after a long day of giving to others.

 

[Noose]

Again, why would satan go to such great lengths to falsify them, if there wasn't a kernel of truth in it?

2 Thess 2:9The coming of the lawless one will beaccompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and FALSE wonder, 10and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them.