Are the Gospels written specifically to Jews only?

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Your concern is not without merit and if I were a pastor I wouldn't teach "Jesus vs. Paul" overnight. Christians who have always believed that the words of the earthly Jesus supersede the words of the risen Jesus (for salvation purposes) will need time to absorb the truth.
No conflict in Jesus words.
You made that up.
 
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To the Title only: If you translate the word Jew, that is the root of the word, Judah, you will learn al who praise God are doing what the name states praising God,. So, all who truly believe are Jews by their action, not by the bloodling. So which impresses all more being of the Spirit or of the bloodline of one of the tribes of Israel.

Jesus Christ- King of the Jews.

He is my King; is He yours?
He is my king.
I am humbled and bow at his presence.
I love his word all 66 books.
THANK YOU JESUS!!!!!!
 
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If you and I trusted in the message the disciples were preaching before the cross, would we be saved eternally?
Since they believed in Jesus,they were gathered up in spite of peters and Thomas's rebellion and anathema.

He is able to keep his own.

It was prophesied " ...and he lost not one"

You are on such shaky ground not understanding the new covenant.
 
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Did paul get his revelation from a different Holy Spirit than the apostles and Jesus?
Is that why you guys think in a " paul only" mindset?
 

John146

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Did paul get his revelation from a different Holy Spirit than the apostles and Jesus?
Is that why you guys think in a " paul only" mindset?
Did Noah get his instructions from someone other than God? I'm quite certain God hasn't told me to build an ark because a flood is coming. Must not be the same God. My God would have given us the same directions.
 

Marcelo

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That is flawed to the core big time.

Jesus brought a new yardstick.

You CAN NOT possibly miss it.

One clue is breaking their sabboth.
Another the priesthood changing
Another the disciple of the mind SURPASSING their law.
Another the forgiveness of sin OUTSIDE the law.

There is NO WAY to possibly miss it.

Now factor in that troublesome verse;
" the law and the prophets were untill John"
We can say Jesus perfected the existing standards of holiness, but the new yardstick was brought only after the cross.

Let's see Jesus' response in Matthew 12:11, when He was accused of breaking the Sabbath:

11 He said to them, “If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? 12 How much more valuable is a person than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.

If the Law was no longer in force at that time Jesus would have responded with something like: "I have already released you all from the bondage of the Law". There would be no need for any other justification at all. When Jesus says "it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath" He is perfecting the law of Moses.

The Law and the Prophets were until John".
Luke doesn't say here that the Law was in force only until John and evidently it was in force throughout Jesus' earthly ministry because He said "obey the scribes and the Pharisees".
 

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We can say Jesus perfected the existing standards of holiness, but the new yardstick was brought only after the cross.

Let's see Jesus' response in Matthew 12:11, when He was accused of breaking the Sabbath:

11 He said to them, “If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? 12 How much more valuable is a person than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.

If the Law was no longer in force at that time Jesus would have responded with something like: "I have already released you all from the bondage of the Law". There would be no need for any other justification at all. When Jesus says "it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath" He is perfecting the law of Moses.

The Law and the Prophets were until John".
Luke doesn't say here that the Law was in force only until John and evidently it was in force throughout Jesus' earthly ministry because He said "obey the scribes and the Pharisees".
I'm not sure why Absolutely keeps quoting parts of that verse without context. The Law and the Prophets prepared the way for the Jews to receive their Messiah until John came along and prepared the way. Nothing there about the Law being in force until John appears. That's a private interpretation.
 
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Did Noah get his instructions from someone other than God? I'm quite certain God hasn't told me to build an ark because a flood is coming. Must not be the same God. My God would have given us the same directions.
That story has merit to me.
Lots of it.

Is it a mistake to you?
 

John146

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That story has merit to me.
Lots of it.

Is it a mistake to you?
Is has value to me as well, but God's direction to Noah is not to me to follow, but for me to study and understand what God was doing back then. You still fail to see the importance of TO and FOR.

God's direction given to the disciples is not the same direction God gave the Apostle Paul.
 

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Marcelo said: No, this doesn't mean that Jesus and His disciples had already been freed from the Law. When the Lord says "it was written ..., but I say" He is expounding the Law, not making it obsolete.
Jesus was bringing in the new covenant.

Pssst,.....that makes the old obsolete.
If Jesus was bringing in the New Covenant then virtually nobody will be saved. Read below:

27You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart".

If you just look you commit adultery and if you commit adultery you're an adulterer, and adulterers will not enter heaven. Paul says adulterers will not enter heaven, but he doesn't count people who just looked as adulterers.
 

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There is a slight difference between Noah and Paul. Noah did not write about himself, Moses did that…...
 
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We can say Jesus perfected the existing standards of holiness, but the new yardstick was brought only after the cross.

Let's see Jesus' response in Matthew 12:11, when He was accused of breaking the Sabbath:

11 He said to them, “If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? 12 How much more valuable is a person than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.

If the Law was no longer in force at that time Jesus would have responded with something like: "I have already released you all from the bondage of the Law". There would be no need for any other justification at all. When Jesus says "it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath" He is perfecting the law of Moses.

The Law and the Prophets were until John".
Luke doesn't say here that the Law was in force only until John and evidently it was in force throughout Jesus' earthly ministry because He said "obey the scribes and the Pharisees".
My view is from heaven to man.

Your view is from man then lateral.

You take what you think "is" then apply it under a need to stand in the concept that the gospels are part of the ot.

That is what drives your view.

You are needing the ministry of Jesus to change nothing.
You need everything he stood for to be " under the law"

Because of the priesthood changing,the new covenant was set in motion.

That is being totally,completely left out.
 

John146

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There is a slight difference between Noah and Paul. Noah did not write about himself, Moses did that…...
Ok, God told Moses to go to Egypt and deliver the Israelites from bondage, etc...Is that directions you are to follow specifically, TO you, or is it FOR you to understand and gain spiritual lessons from the story to apply in 2019?
 

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No conflict in Jesus words.
You made that up.
No conflict between the earthly Jesus and the risen Jesus?

Earthly Jesus: "Obey the scribes and the Pharisees".

Risen Jesus: "You are not under the Law".
 
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If Jesus was bringing in the New Covenant then virtually nobody will be saved. Read below:

27You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart".

If you just look you commit adultery and if you commit adultery you're an adulterer, and adulterers will not enter heaven. Paul says adulterers will not enter heaven, but he doesn't count people who just looked as adulterers.
Surely you do not take your stand there.

To think the believer has no thought discipline.

Again, you see conflict where none exists
 
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Ok, God told Moses to go to Egypt and deliver the Israelites from bondage, etc...Is that directions you are to follow specifically, TO you, or is it FOR you to understand and gain spiritual lessons from the story to apply in 2019?
Are you to take vows,and shave your head like paul?
 

JaumeJ

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The truth is, by miraculous and repeated means, God did tell me to go to Israel, which was the final home for the Children who were freed fromt eh bondage of Pharoah . No biggy, but true. Nothing is a biggy for our Father
 
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Did Noah get his instructions from someone other than God? I'm quite certain God hasn't told me to build an ark because a flood is coming. Must not be the same God. My God would have given us the same directions.
Will await you head shaving ceremony
 

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It is odd that people believe the word , holy, is something mystical and ut of the reach of comprehension. As far as I have seen, holy is interchangeable with separate. We are a separate people, we are holy becuse our God is holy......and we live in a separate manner, being in the world but not of it……….no?
 

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No conflict between the earthly Jesus and the risen Jesus?

Earthly Jesus: "Obey the scribes and the Pharisees".

Risen Jesus: "You are not under the Law".
How does anyone interpret our Master, Savior and Lord as obeying the pharisees. He upbraided them several times. He pointed out to them their hypocrisy. He taught against certain teachings of the OT SUCH AS AND EYE FOR AN EYE, AND TO LOVE OUR ENEMY AND TO PRAY FOR THEM. hE HEALED ON the Sabbath, and He permitted His disciples to glean wheat on the SAbbath..

Jesus did not obey the law, but He did not break the law as He has explained it and taught it.

I like unleavened bread, while many people today serve up leavened bread all covered with jams……...I prefer the unleavened.