Does God want us to choose between law and grace?

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Grandpa

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Tim416 said:
It is sin to be here? I have told a mod I was banned for life, so should be rebanned, which was honest of me, that's not a sin. I suppose according to your logic, the mods are sinning not to ban me.

However, as you have previously stated you teach on this site, can I ask. If a believer committed adultery, would they conscious they sinned because they did so?
If a believer bore false witness, would they be conscious they sinned because they did so?
Ifv a believer coveted, would they be conscious they sinned by doing so?
Thanks in advance
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Would someone who practices Judaism know they committed sin if they committed adultery?

If someone who practices Judaism bore false witness would they be conscious of that sin too?

If someone who practices Judaism coveted would they be conscious they sinned by doing so?

Thank you for not answering any questions but just stating as facts that everyone is always under the law. Its so refreshing.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Tim416 said:
It is sin to be here? I have told a mod I was banned for life, so should be rebanned, which was honest of me, that's not a sin. I suppose according to your logic, the mods are sinning not to ban me.

However, as you have previously stated you teach on this site,
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I do? I did? Where did i say this? This is not a church, this is a place where people of different churches meet to discuss the word.

can I ask. If a believer committed adultery, would they conscious they sinned because they did so?
If a believer bore false witness, would they be conscious they sinned because they did so?
Ifv a believer coveted, would they be conscious they sinned by doing so?
Thanks in advance
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Can I ask, did not God say if a Christian did these things the HS would chasten them? Can a christian not know they have been chastened? I know when i was a prodigal, when i did things i knew i should not be doing, it tore me up inside. And Gods chastening hit its mark, its why i returned.
 
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Tim416

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eternally-gratefull said:
I do? I did? Where did i say this? This is not a church, this is a place where people of different churches meet to discuss the word.


Can I ask, did not God say if a Christian did these things the HS would chasten them? Can a christian not know they have been chastened? I know when i was a prodigal, when i did things i knew i should not be doing, it tore me up inside. And Gods chastening hit its mark, its why i returned.
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Why are you reluctant to answer the questions. Surely if you are a teacher, you would be happy to answer them
If a believer committed adultery, would they conscious they sinned because they did so?
If a believer bore false witness, would they be conscious they sinned because they did so?
If a believer coveted, would they be conscious they sinned by doing so?
 
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Grandpa

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eternally-gratefull said:
I do? I did? Where did i say this? This is not a church, this is a place where people of different churches meet to discuss the word.


Can I ask, did not God say if a Christian did these things the HS would chasten them? Can a christian not know they have been chastened? I know when i was a prodigal, when i did things i knew i should not be doing, it tore me up inside. And Gods chastening hit its mark, its why i returned.
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How come you got to be a mod and I didn't get anything?

Maybe a supervisor or some sort of rank...?

I feel mildly offended that it wasn't assumed I hold some lofty title... lol
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Tim416 said:
Why are you reluctant to answer the questions. Surely if you are a teacher, you would be happy to answer them
If a believer committed adultery, would they conscious they sinned because they did so?
If a believer bore false witness, would they be conscious they sinned because they did so?
If a believer coveted, would they be conscious they sinned by doing so?
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Who said i was reluctant, i took your question and went above and beyond, ot only was i conscious of my sins (how did you miss me saying this?) but i also had God remind me of them

Why is it hard for people to read what others say?
 
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Tim416

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eternally-gratefull said:
Who said i was reluctant, i took your question and went above and beyond, ot only was i conscious of my sins (how did you miss me saying this?) but i also had God remind me of them

Why is it hard for people to read what others say?
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People are not fools here. You refuse to state whether people would be conscious of sin by doing those things, for it is better to deflect from answering than having to admit to error isn't it, for that you could not do.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Grandpa said:
How come you got to be a mod and I didn't get anything?

Maybe a supervisor or some sort of rank...?

I feel mildly offended that it wasn't assumed I hold some lofty title... lol
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Which disciple are you? :LOL: I have not figured out who i am yet..lol
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Tim416 said:
People are not fools here. You refuse to state whether people would be conscious of sin by doing those things, for it is better to deflect from answering than having to admit to error isn't it, for that you could not do.
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I did not reflect dude,

I said yes, just much deeper than saying yes. Anyone should be able to clearly see that is what i was saying.

Get over yourself!!!

And no, it is not because the ten commands were written on my heart, if this is what your hinting at!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Tim416 said:
People are not fools here. You refuse to state whether people would be conscious of sin by doing those things, for it is better to deflect from answering than having to admit to error isn't it, for that you could not do.
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eternally-gratefull said:
Who said i was reluctant, i took your question and went above and beyond, Not only was i conscious of my sins (how did you miss me saying this?) but i also had God remind me of them


Is anyone else confused about what i said?
 
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Tim416

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eternally-gratefull said:
I did not reflect dude,

I said yes, just much deeper than saying yes. Anyone should be able to clearly see that is what i was saying.

Get over yourself!!!

And no, it is not because the ten commands were written on my heart, if this is what your hinting at!
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Good, so a person would be conscious of sin if they committed adultery, coveted or murdered.
Sin is the transgression of the law 1John3:4
Through the law we become conscious of sin Rom3:20

You can only be conscious of sin concerning those things, if the law concerning them has not been abolished
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Tim416 said:
Good, so a person would be conscious of sin if they committed adultery, coveted or murdered.
Sin is the transgression of the law 1John3:4
Through the law we become conscious of sin Rom3:20

You can only be conscious of sin concerning those things, if the law concerning them has not been abolished
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Wrong, i alread knew they were sins, the law taught me that 35 years ago, which is why i came to christ, because they became conscious of my sin, (the law was a tutor)

I am conscious now not because of the law, but because of what christ said,

1. I failed to lve the Lord my God and my neighbor as myself, (the two greatest commands)
2. I failed to seek after the things of the spirit, i sought after my own needs.

The law is incapable of showing me every sin, thats why it is weak. All it can do is show i was a sinner to lead me to christ, or give me a false idea i am a righteous person because i keep the letter.

But nice try..
 
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Tim416

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I asked you ifc a believer did those things would they be conscious of sin if they did them, you replied yes. But hey, it is ok I knew you would have to try and get out of it somehow, but you cannot
 
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Tim416

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I wrote:

People are not fools here. You refuse to state whether people would be conscious of sin by doing those things, for it is better to deflect from answering than having to admit to error isn't it, for that you could not do.

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I did not reflect dude,

I said yes
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Tim416 said:
I asked you ifc a believer did those things would they be conscious of sin if they did them, you replied yes. But hey, it is ok I knew you would have to try and get out of it somehow, but you cannot
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And i answered you

Your just mad because my reasoning fes not support your false theology of trying to return to law.

But whatever..everyone here sees what you did, and now knows your true heart.
 
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Tim416 said:
I wrote:

People are not fools here. You refuse to state whether people would be conscious of sin by doing those things, for it is better to deflect from answering than having to admit to error isn't it, for that you could not do.

Eternally grateful responded:

I did not reflect dude,

I said yes
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Lol and this is supposed to help ypu? Keep it up. Your making yourself look bad.
 
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Tim416

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Oh dear, and so we see the hopelessnd#ess of debating some on these websites. You ask a plain question, when it is answered, without thinking through what the answer entails, you get nonsensical replies rather than admit to error of belief.

Just for the record, eternally grateful has stated that if a believer committed adultery, murdered or bore false witness, they would be conscious of sin by doing so. I would think most who have read the bible would understand that proves my point adequately
 
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Tim416 said:
Oh dear, and so we see the hopelessnd#ess of debating some on these websites. You ask a plain question, when it is answered, without thinking through what the answer entails, you get nonsensical replies rather than admit to error of belief.

Just for the record, eternally grateful has stated that if a believer committed adultery, murdered or bore false witness, they would be conscious of sin by doing so. I would think most who have read the bible would understand that proves my point adequately
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This demonstrates that I was right not to answer your question. You're baiting, and when you don't get the answer you like, you post this c**p.

You have no business posting comments about others. Respond to EG if you like, but what you have done here is simply spread gossip born from your own twisted agenda. This isn't a tabloid page.
 
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know1

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Tim416 said:
It is good to read the preceding verses of Gal3:13, in order to understand exactly what Paul is talking about:

For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law. 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because ‘the righteous will live by faith.’[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, ‘The person who does these things will live by them.’[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole 10-13

Paul says we are cursed if we rely on obeying the law to be justified before God, for we would have to perfectly obey it to receive such justification, we would have to do everything written in the book of the law, that is what Paul is referring to in verse 13. Sorry for interjecting.
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No need to apologize sir, this is a public forum, so anyone can jump in someone else's dialog. I do it to others, so I welcome the same done to me. So long as it's not the bad kind, like trying to make personal attacks or belittling remarks.
The point I was making is, if we are all automatically forgiven, like so many say, then why are we told to repent and confess our sins so we can be forgiven of our sins.
As for the subject of the thread, I say yes, we have to choose between the law and grace.
 
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