Are the Gospels written specifically to Jews only?

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7seasrekeyed

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So, why did Jesus say: "obey the scribes and the Pharisees " ?

why did Jesus harshly rebuke them and call them liars and white washed tombs full of dead men's bones?

why why why

for your question: do you only quote partial verses to try and cause another to stumble or do you actually want all of the truth?

the verse you grope at, actually states this in completion:

Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples, saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees sat on Moses' seat. Therefore, all things whatsoever they tell you to observe, observe and do, but do not do their works; for they say, and do not do." — Matt. 23:1-3

basically, Jesus was saying don't be a hypocrite

good advice for today I would think
 

John146

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you have a problem here

who is discussing self-defense?

you have already plainly stated you believe scripture must be divided up...some for these people and a little different for those over somewhere else

you are confusing and confused
You do as well, you just won’t admit it.

Do you literally make blood sacrifices for sins as God declared?

God declared to Jonah to literally go to Nineveh and preach against it, yet forty days and Nineveh shall be overthrown. Have you obeyed this message from God?
 
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You do as well, you just won’t admit it.

Do you literally make blood sacrifices for sins as God declared?

God declared to Jonah to literally go to Nineveh and preach against it, yet forty days and Nineveh shall be overthrown. Have you obeyed this message from God?

I did not bring up Nineveh

however you cannot ignore it

you make less sense the more you post
 
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7seasrekeyed

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the people of Nineveh were Assyrians in case anyone doesn't know

yet God sent them a JEWISH prophet

that just boggles the mind of those who want to divide up the Bible into little bite size morsels while missing the bigger picture
 

Marcelo

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Because they were in charge or the leaders of Israel, Jesus told us to always obey our leaders.
OK, they were charge of interpreting the law of Moses for the leaders of Israel (the priests) and for the people. If they were in charge of interpreting the Law that means it was still in force. After the cross the risen Jesus would by no means (through Paul or whoever) teach Christians to follow the scribes and/or the Pharisees. Or would he? Why?
 

John146

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the people of Nineveh were Assyrians in case anyone doesn't know

yet God sent them a JEWISH prophet

that just boggles the mind of those who want to divide up the Bible into little bite size morsels while missing the bigger picture
Please know I understand the big picture.

You know not to obey all Scripture because you rightly divide it.
 

Rosemaryx

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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHA that is the most tragic things I have ever heard from one called a believer......Jesus must have been stupid when he told them to search the scriptures for they are they that testify of me......or maybe he did not understand that these things were hidden and no one could understand.....Abraham must have been stupid as well to tell the rich man that his 5 brothers had the word which could keep them from coming to the place of torment...or Moses lifting the brazen serpent or the institution of the passover or Job speaking of his redeemer living and Job knowing he would be resurrected and see him with his own eyes.......WOW man.............It is truly tragic that many believe what you said above........

There are over 100 O.T. prophecies concerning the persecution and crucifixion of JESUS such as the couple below......it is ignorant to say that these could not be seen by the men and women of faith that LOOKED forward to their MESSIAH......and before the N.T. was written and before JESUS even was born they fully understood being crucified which Rome had been doing for over 8 or 9 decades before Christ was crucified. Crucifixion was a WELL KNOWN method know to ALL in the Middle East LONG before ROME.....

Psalm 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

Zecheriah 12:10 "I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.

NOTE: John 19:36-37 For these things came to pass to fulfill the Scripture, "NOT A BONE OF HIM SHALL BE BROKEN."
And again another Scripture says, "THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM WHOM THEY PIERCED."

The history and pathology of crucifixion.

In antiquity crucifixion was considered one of the most brutal and shameful modes of death. Probably originating with the Assyrians and Babylonians, it was used systematically by the Persians in the 6th century BC. Alexander the Great brought it from there to the eastern Mediterranean countries in the 4th century BC, and the Phoenicians introduced it to Rome in the 3rd century BC. It was virtually never used in pre-Hellenic Greece. The Romans perfected crucifion for 500 years until it was abolished by Constantine I in the 4th century AD. Crucifixion in Roman times was applied mostly to slaves, disgraced soldiers, Christians and foreigners--only very rarely to Roman citizens. Death, usually after 6 hours--4 days, was due to multifactorial pathology: after-effects of compulsory scourging and maiming, haemorrhage and dehydration causing hypovolaemic shock and pain, but the most important factor was progressive asphyxia caused by impairment of respiratory movement. Resultant anoxaemia exaggerated hypovolaemic shock. Death was probably commonly precipitated by cardiac arrest, caused by vasovagal reflexes, initiated inter alia by severe anoxaemia, severe pain, body blows and breaking of the large bones. The attending Roman guards could only leave the site after the victim had died, and were known to precipitate death by means of deliberate fracturing of the tibia and/or fibula, spear stab wounds into the heart, sharp blows to the front of the chest, or a smoking fire built at the foot of the cross to asphyxiate the victim.
Amen Brother...Also Isaiah preached on the death of the cross...
David also said " My Lord said to my LORD " ...xox...
 

Marcelo

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why did Jesus harshly rebuke them and call them liars and white washed tombs full of dead men's bones?

why why why

for your question: do you only quote partial verses to try and cause another to stumble or do you actually want all of the truth?

the verse you grope at, actually states this in completion:

Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples, saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees sat on Moses' seat. Therefore, all things whatsoever they tell you to observe, observe and do, but do not do their works; for they say, and do not do." — Matt. 23:1-3

basically, Jesus was saying don't be a hypocrite

good advice for today I would think
If the Law were no longer in force the Lord Jesus would have said something like: "Don't obey the scribes and the Pharisees at all firstly because the Law is no longer in force and secondly because they are hypocrites ".
 
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eternally-gratefull

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OK, they were charge of interpreting the law of Moses for the leaders of Israel (the priests) and for the people. If they were in charge of interpreting the Law that means it was still in force. After the cross the risen Jesus would by no means (through Paul or whoever) teach Christians to follow the scribes and/or the Pharisees. Or would he? Why?
Lol, nice try

The law could never be obeyed, the pharisee thought it could, and they did, and they were wrong,

thats why Jesus said obey them as leaders, but do not do as they do.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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You have not responded to my question about the law being writtenon our hearts.
You may have overlooked where in my first post I had stated that I was going to be busy working for while and would not have time to respond to it ATM... I admit it is easy for me to gloss over a reading a bit too hastily and miss the details in some posts, so I don't fault you for this. We all do it, at times :D

I did try to spend a couple minutes looking for my most recent posts I had made regarding passages in Romans (Romans 7; Romans 1 through 5:11; then Romans 5:12 through chpt 8) but could not find them, but they have been posted within the past week or so (I'm just terrible with Searches :) ).

In lieu of that, I will present this for the time being...

before I would get into any passages you may be specifically referring to (Ezekiel 37:12-14,20-28; Hebrews 8, 10; Jeremiah 31:33-34; Romans 8:4's "that the righteousness OF the law might be fulfilled IN us [not BY us]..."; Galatians 5:23b ["against such there is no law"]; etc...), please read the following (and I will try to get back to this thread later this evening, when I get some time freed up :) ) :


"The Two Husbands of Romans 7" by Charles Stanley (1821-1890) [not the one today in Atlanta, Georgia :) , just to be clear]

https://bibletruthpublishers.com/th...e-two-husbands-of-romans-7/c-stanley/la130493


[with minor caveats or, rather, certain clarifications...]
 

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Can anyone find anything to support a Gentile Christians belief like 1 Cor. 15:1-5 in the 4 Gospels or any Christianity at all.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Can anyone find anything to support a Gentile Christeians belief like 1 Cor. 15:1-5 in the 4 Gospels or any Christianity at all.
Corinthians was written to a gentile church, theres your proof and its not all
 

Blik

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There are several things that are true of our God that is not taken into consideration as we ponder these things. First, God is eternal so what is written in all time is true, God does not change. The God who wrote the new covenant is the very same God who wrote the old covenant. We are not to add to or take from either of them.

In our Greek type thinking, we are saying that new really means cancel the old. It does not mean that. What is the truth is that we have the old and also the new, the new is better. It does not say the old is cancelled. We are told the new is more excellent, and again we know that a law in our hearts is more excellent than a law written in words, but the law in our hearts does not cancel the law with words. It means the law with words is thought of as containing also love as is in our hearts, but that love does not cancel what is written because it is a better way.

The written law tells us not to lie, cheap or steal and this is also true of the law written in our hearts.

We are told of many blessings that come with the law in the old covenant. Those blessings still stand, they are not cancelled and the words excellent, new or better does not tell us of a cancellation.
 

Churinga

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There are several things that are true of our God that is not taken into consideration as we ponder these things. First, God is eternal so what is written in all time is true, God does not change. The God who wrote the new covenant is the very same God who wrote the old covenant. We are not to add to or take from either of them.

In our Greek type thinking, we are saying that new really means cancel the old. It does not mean that. What is the truth is that we have the old and also the new, the new is better. It does not say the old is cancelled. We are told the new is more excellent, and again we know that a law in our hearts is more excellent than a law written in words, but the law in our hearts does not cancel the law with words. It means the law with words is thought of as containing also love as is in our hearts, but that love does not cancel what is written because it is a better way.

The written law tells us not to lie, cheap or steal and this is also true of the law written in our hearts.

We are told of many blessings that come with the law in the old covenant. Those blessings still stand, they are not cancelled and the words excellent, new or better does not tell us of a cancellation.
Are you aware of my original question?
 

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Can anyone find anything to support a Gentile Christians belief like 1 Cor. 15:1-5 in the 4 Gospels or any Christianity at all.
John 10:27-28
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.


This is general Christian belief held by Gentiles, isn't it?

I'm not real sure if there is a such thing as Gentile Christian though, now that I think about it.
 

John146

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John 10:27-28
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.


This is general Christian belief held by Gentiles, isn't it?

I'm not real sure if there is a such thing as Gentile Christian though, now that I think about it.
The one thing I would add is I’m not in His hand, I am His hand. I’m in His body.
 

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My denomination is called Christian Congregation in Brazil. Ministers are unpaid and don't study theology; there is absolutely no room for politicians; there is no tithing (all contributions are voluntary and anonymous); most of the church buildings (more than 99%) are built by the members themselves; absolutely nobody is put under spotlights; orchestra members (also unpaid) sit on pews just like any other member; there are no choirs and no solo singers.

My denomination sets good examples, no doubt, but there is also a downside: Many preachers are very limited for lack of Bible knowledge. That's why I'm not sure I can advocate for lay ministry.
I want to join your Church!!!!

Wish I lived in Brazil. May I ask, what City in Brazil?
 

Marcelo

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Lol, nice try

The law could never be obeyed, the pharisee thought it could, and they did, and they were wrong,

thats why Jesus said obey them as leaders, but do not do as they do.

2“The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

If the Lord had then already freed the Jews from the Law He would have said: "Don't follow the teachers of the law and the Pharisees ".