Are the Gospels written specifically to Jews only?

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7seasrekeyed

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If the Law were no longer in force the Lord Jesus would have said something like: "Don't obey the scribes and the Pharisees at all firstly because the Law is no longer in force and secondly because they are hypocrites ".
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that is patently not true at all!

you quote half a verse and present it as truth

that is not truth. that is half a verse with the punch line let left out. you quoted only HALF the verse. why? (rhetorical question)

Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples, saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees sat on Moses' seat. Therefore, all things whatsoever they tell you to observe, observe and do, but do not do their works; for they say, and do not do." — Matt. 23:1-3

basically, Jesus was saying don't be a hypocrite

then you make it worse and state what Jesus would have said. just a little pretentious don't cha think?

Jesus said follow the teaching of Abraham but not what hypocrites do...in other words, BE what you teach others

now, what can we learn from Abraham?
 
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Marcelo said:
2“The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

If the Lord had then already freed the Jews from the Law He would have said: "Don't follow the teachers of the law and the Pharisees ".
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I would bang my head on the nearest wall if I thought it would help

the entire point here, is that they taught the truth....BUT THEY DID NOT LIVE THE TRUTH

nothing whatsoever about freeing the Jews

again, it is just you trying to present a divided gospel that doe not really exist
 
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7seasrekeyed said:
that is patently not true at all!

you quote half a verse and present it as truth

that is not truth. that is half a verse with the punch line let left out. you quoted only HALF the verse. why? (rhetorical question)

Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples, saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees sat on Moses' seat. Therefore, all things whatsoever they tell you to observe, observe and do, but do not do their works; for they say, and do not do." — Matt. 23:1-3

basically, Jesus was saying don't be a hypocrite

then you make it worse and state what Jesus would have said. just a little pretentious don't cha think?

Jesus said follow the teaching of Abraham but not what hypocrites do...in other words, BE what you teach others

now, what can we learn from Abraham?
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Do you know what it means to obey the scribes and the Pharisees? It means to obey all the 613 mitzvot. Can you do that?
 
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7seasrekeyed said:
I would bang my head on the nearest wall if I thought it would help

the entire point here, is that they taught the truth....BUT THEY DID NOT LIVE THE TRUTH

nothing whatsoever about freeing the Jews

again, it is just you trying to present a divided gospel that doe not really exist
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You're right, and the truth then was the law of Moses.
 
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John 10:27-28
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.


This is general Christian belief held by Gentiles, isn't it?

I'm not real sure if there is a such thing as Gentile Christian though, now that I think about it.
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Who are His sheep?
 
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Churinga said:
Are you aware of the original Question?
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OOPs, This is a response to the cancellation of the old covenant posts, I am so sorry.

But as to whether the Gospels were written for Jews, Christ indicated that it was for Jews calling the gentiles dogs, even. When we are told of the new covenant, it also was given to the Jews.

If we go to the OT for explanation, it tells us over and over that the strangers as it called the gentiles were included in God's directions to mankind.

There was a great change when Peter had his dream telling him that the gospel was for all.
 
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Blik said:
OOPs, This is a response to the cancellation of the old covenant posts, I am so sorry.

But as to whether the Gospels were written for Jews, Christ indicated that it was for Jews calling the gentiles dogs, even. When we are told of the new covenant, it also was given to the Jews.

If we go to the OT for explanation, it tells us over and over that the strangers as it called the gentiles were included in God's directions to mankind.

There was a great change when Peter had his dream telling him that the gospel was for all.
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We agree then that the Gospels are for Jews not Gentiles, then why do Christians insert themselves into Gospels at every opportunity and in so doing steal the childrens bread.
 
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garee said:
I am sent only to the lost sheep of Israel (all Israel is not born again Israel) That verse simply means as many (the elect ) that the father gave to the Son they alone will come. Not one more or one less. Remember its God who finds us giving us His word so that we can in turn find Him .
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My point is simply that the "church" where Jews and Gentiles are equal, came to pass only after the Jews rejected their Gospel of the Kingdom, the final straw was after they stoned Stephen.

Before that, the Gentiles could be saved, but only by going thru Israel after the latter accepted their Messiah (Zech 8:23). That Canaanite Lady, thru her faith in Jesus, resulted in her being blessed "ahead of time".
 
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Its way past midnight and i just dropped by to see if i've won the argument yet.

Come on guys, i'll sleep better if all of yall agree with me. :p
 
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Hevosmies said:
Its way past midnight and i just dropped by to see if i've won the argument yet.

Come on guys, i'll sleep better if all of yall agree with me. :p
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Yeah, well I can't go to bed until I find out what JaumeJ thinks of the article I posted in Post #270 :D … but then, it IS a long article...

:p
 
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TheDivineWatermark said:
Yeah, well I can't go to bed until I find out what JaumeJ thinks of the article I posted in Post #270 :D … but then, it IS a long article...

:p
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Good article. I agree with it

Can I ask you PERSONAlLY: How do you feel about CONVERTS to judaism and their offspring? Are they "Israel" too? Meaning if Joe Shmoe converts today, starts a jewish family, then two generations later the offspring is still orthodox jews, are they considered authentic 'Israelites' in your opinion?

I ask cause there are conversions mentioned in the OT and because rabbis today insist that even many of them are "sons of converts"
 
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Marcelo said:
Do you know what it means to obey the scribes and the Pharisees? It means to obey all the 613 mitzvot. Can you do that?
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To teach to not obey Christ because we are human and can't be perfect is quite a copout. Try teaching all ladies to not walk unless they can walk like a model, just lie in bed.

We are told to obey the spirit of the law not the letter. 4,000 years ago the spirit of the law was different for people. Shakespeare was only about 500 years ago, pretty recent, and he even spoke English in a different way.
 
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Marcelo said:
2“The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

If the Lord had then already freed the Jews from the Law He would have said: "Don't follow the teachers of the law and the Pharisees ".
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Again, nice try,

These were the leaders, he also to them to obey ceasar and render to him what was his.
It has nothing to do with the law

Jesus came to do what we could not do, fulfill the law, so we will. Ot be condemned by it, he would not tell us after we have been saved from thr law to go back to the law,
 
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Churinga said:
We agree then that the Gospels are for Jews not Gentiles, then why do Christians insert themselves into Gospels at every opportunity and in so doing steal the childrens bread.
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Who agrees with this?

All scripture is given by god and profitable for all believers, this includes the 4 gospels.
 
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Guojing said:
My point is simply that the "church" where Jews and Gentiles are equal, came to pass only after the Jews rejected their Gospel of the Kingdom, the final straw was after they stoned Stephen.

Before that, the Gentiles could be saved, but only by going thru Israel after the latter accepted their Messiah (Zech 8:23). That Canaanite Lady, thru her faith in Jesus, resulted in her being blessed "ahead of time".
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Again, have you people heard of Nineveh?

Are you saying if a gentil had faith they would not be saved????
 
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Guojing said:
My point is simply that the "church" where Jews and Gentiles are equal, came to pass only after the Jews rejected their Gospel of the Kingdom, the final straw was after they stoned Stephen.

Before that, the Gentiles could be saved, but only by going thru Israel after the latter accepted their Messiah (Zech 8:23). That Canaanite Lady, thru her faith in Jesus, resulted in her being blessed "ahead of time".
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Salvation has nothing to do with the flesh of a Jew or a Gentile. It has nothing to do with any flesh Even the Son of man, Jesus said His flesh prophets for nothing, zip. But does have everything to do with the Spirit of God that can quicken our souls and give us new spirits that will be raised on the last day and a new heart so that we can love Him with all of our heart soul and mind .

If any man has not the Spirit of Christ the Holy Spirit of God then neither do they belong to Christ. This is in any age or generation . The first martyr was Abel who when sent with the word of God (apostle) He was murdered because his brother Cain refused to believe in a God not seen who could communicate with His creation . That Canaanite Lady was given the same faith of Christ that comes from hearing God and she believed God and not her own thoughts as a anchor of her soul just as did Abel.

Romans 8:8-10 King James Version (KJV) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

His righteousness(imputed0 not that of our own selves.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Again, have you people heard of Nineveh?

Are you saying if a gentil had faith they would not be saved????
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How was Nineveh spared? By believing the word of God, that God gave Jonah and that was, "yet forty days and Nineveh shall be overthrown." This brought about a repentance of their wickedness, fasting and praying to God. They proclaimed, who can tell whether God may repent and turn from his fierce anger that we perish not. Their only hope was to turn to God asking for mercy upon them. God granted them mercy.
 
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John146 said:
How was Nineveh spared? By believing the word of God, that God gave Jonah and that was, "yet forty days and Nineveh shall be overthrown." This brought about a repentance of their wickedness, fasting and praying to God. They proclaimed, who can tell whether God may repent and turn from his fierce anger that we perish not. Their only hope was to turn to God asking for mercy upon them. God granted them mercy.
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So they were saved by faith, (even if it was mustard seed faith) as gentiles, during the period of law. Without having to convert to judaism!

Thank you
 
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