A closer look at Mt.5:17-18

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You can explain away the plainly written word if you wish:

If WE(John is including himself in the we) claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us

Anyway I understand this is subjective so we can just agree to disagree here.

Anyway, as I have said elsewhere, the Gentile church doctrine should be from Apostle Paul first and foremost. John, like Peter and James, were writing to their Jewish brothers. (Galatians 2:9)

 

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Anyway I understand this is subjective so we can just agree to disagree here.

Anyway, as I have said elsewhere, the Gentile church doctrine should be from Apostle Paul first and foremost. John, like Peter and James, were writing to their Jewish brothers. (Galatians 2:9)

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid! Yea we establish the law Rom3:31

You will not understand anyones message, or the true message of the bible if you just cherry pick a few selective scriptures.

Christ did not come to abolish the law, he came to die for believers sins/transgressions of the law, and that is why the believer is not under the law/condemnation of the law

 

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Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid! Yea we establish the law Rom3:31

You will not understand anyones message, or the true message of the bible if you just cherry pick a few selective scriptures.

Christ did not come to abolish the law, he came to die for believers sins/transgressions of the law, and that is why the believer is not under the law/condemnation of the law

Okay, at least both of us agree that the Christian is NOT under the Law. That is good enough.

As to whether the Law has passed away for Christians who put their faith in Jesus's fulfillment of the entire law, we can agree to disagree too. Its not critical to the christian faith either way.

 

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Okay, at least both of us agree that the Christian is NOT under the Law. That is good enough.

As to whether Law has passed away for Christians who put their faith in Jesus's fulfillment of the entire law, we can agree to disagree too.

Paul writes to believers in the present tense:
Through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20

 

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This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.’[b]

17 Then he adds:

‘Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.’[

The law has not passed away for believers, but Jesus died to pay the penalty of their transgressions of it. Hence, their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more. It is written so clearly, but not clearly enough it seems

 

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Paul writes to believers in the present tense:
Through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20

But he also said repeatedly, we have died to the Law. You know what dead means right? Otherwise his advice to Timothy would be contradictory.

 

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But he also said repeatedly, we have died to the Law. You know what dead means right? Otherwise his advice to Timothy would be contradictory.

Yes I know what Paul means, I will tell you again. The believer dies to law as we all understand law to mean with our rational minds. They die to the legally enforceable law with its penalty for transgression, for Jesus paid the price of believers transgressions. God did not have to abolish what is holy, just and good(Rom7:12) in order to stop the christian being under the condemnation of the law. He had to send his son to die for believers transgressions of the law, past, present and future. When we understand that, we have no contradictions concerning the law. The very foundation upon which the new covenant stands states God will write the law in our hearts and minds, law that cannot condemn, for your sins and lawless deeds concerning it will be remembered no more

 

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pau

Yes I know what Paul means, I will tell you again. The believer dies to law as we all understand law to mean with our rational minds. They die to the legally enforceable law with its penalty for transgression, for Jesus paid the price of believers transgressions. God did not have to abolish what is holy, just and good(Rom7:12) in order to stop the christian being under the condemnation of the law. He had to send his son to die for believers transgressions of the law, past, present and future. When we understand that, we have no contradictions concerning the law. The very foundation upon which the new covenant stands states God will write the law in our hearts and minds, law that cannot condemn, for your sins and lawless deeds concerning it will be remembered no more

Are you saying the Law that we died to, is the same Law that is written in our hearts in Hebrews?

If you accept that they are not equivalent, then I will agree with what you said.

 

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pau


Are you saying the Law that we died to, is the same Law that is written in our hearts in Hebrews?

If you accept that they are not equivalent, then I will agree with what you said.

We die to righteousness of obeying the law, the believer dies to being under the law, they die to being under its condemnation, for they have a saviour from their sin. In this respect the believer dies to the law.
So what law is written in our hearts?
Through the law we become conscious of sin. Rom3:20
If nearly all believers committed adultery, stole, bore false witness, coveted etc they would be conscious they sinned by doing so, despite the head theology of some on websites such as these.