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Not all of them......
I don't believe that.........you constantly think that we don't like you or hate you etc.....that is not the case at all.....what we stand against without compromise and heat at times is the devaluation of the gospel, the promises of Christ, the power of Christ and the false gospel you push Fran......end of story.....Galatians condemns those that state, teach, preach that salvation begins with faith and is finished or completed or kept by works...........you also state that we are against obedience and or works....we are NOT......what we are for is the correct message....and that message states clearly we are saved eternally by faith and after that our level of reward (pay or wage) is based upon what we do, and or say......we may fall to the point of being whipped and even taken home by God taking our physical life, we may have our works burnt to a crisp because of a failure to serve acceptably, but our spirit has been born again from above by INCORRUPTIBLE SEED and is ETERNALLY secure in Christ......it is not that difficult to grasp UNLESS RELIGION keeps you fro viewing it HONESTLY......
 
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Yes all of them...And even my enemies , by Gods grace He has taught me this...xox...

God leads us to rise above the flesh into the realm of the divine.......like the ability to forgive a mentally, physically, sexually abusive step dad..............!!!!
 

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Moreover, the saints have a “perfect” status in God’s presence (Heb. 11:40; 12:23).

We can approach Him with the full acceptance gained through the death of Christ (Heb. 10:19-22).

Charles Wesley wrote eloquently:

No condemnation now I dread:
Jesus, and all in Him, is mine!
Alive in Him, my living Head,
And clothed in righteousness divine,
Bold I approach the eternal throng,
And claim the crown, through Christ my own.

Every believer is sanctified in Christ Jesus (1 Cor. 1:2; cp. Heb. 10:10), therefore the New Testament calls all believers “saints,” hagioi.
We are the “sanctified” or “holy ones.”

In Hebrews 10:10 the believer is placed in a permanent and continuous state of salvation.

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You, who believes in OSAS
SHOULD NOT
Be quoting John Wesley!!!
 

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God leads us to rise above the flesh into the realm of the divine.......like the ability to forgive a mentally, physically, sexually abusive step dad..............!!!!
Your correct...Through these what you have spoken of , I have overcome , and it is by Gods power alone that forgiveness was possible , and it did not happen overnight , God is our ultimate healer...xox...
 
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You know FRAN.....I have consistently NOT liked the posts that states you should be removed on puropse and I state truth and your pure hatred comes out and your bias comes out by giving thumbs down on my posts....as far as I am concerned....do not address me ever again....I have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and your true colors are shining through.......good luck with your belief that you must keep yourself saved.....cya
 

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Bill is one of the nicest people on here.....why would you rip him like that Fran.............?
He can speak for himself.
What did I say that was ripping him?
YOU have many times told me I'm going to hell.
Now THAT is ripping!!!
 
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Your correct...Through these what you have spoken of , I have overcome , and it is by Gods power alone that forgiveness was possible , and it did not happen overnight , God is our ultimate healer...xox...
SAME here.........Thank God my brother and I were not girls and he never touched us in that way.....It took me getting right with God and learning the truth and years of study and teaching.....Now I pity him and wrote him a long letter forgiving him and witnessed to him and prayed that he comes to know Jesus as his savior.........
 

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You know FRAN.....I have consistently NOT liked the posts that states you should be removed on puropse and I state truth and your pure hatred comes out and your bias comes out by giving thumbs down on my posts....as far as I am concerned....do not address me ever again....I have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and your true colors are shining through.......good luck with your belief that you must keep yourself saved.....cya
Hmm. You never said so....
 
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He can speak for himself.
What did I say that was ripping him?
YOU have many times told me I'm going to hell.
Now THAT is ripping!!!
Now your lying......all I have ever said is that those who believe the gospel you peddle will find themselves in the many grouping.....

Faith plus works for, to keep or top off salvation is false....

Lord, Lord, have we not done many wonderful works in your name<-----the same gospel ALL workers for peddle......

and we are done.....do not address me anymore Fran..........I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and have not reported your return and have engaged you and yet your hatred reeks and thumbing down my posts is ridiculous......
 

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She can slander me, I care not, it is actually good because it shows how offensive the message of grace is that they have to distort it to make it sound like it is promoting evil.

Paul had something very sharp to say about people who use this distorted logic that we preach evil so that good may come.

Romans 3:8

8Why not say, as some slanderously claim that we say, “Let us do evil that good may result?” Their condemnation is deserved!
Please see the following posts...
They say we are not required to follow or obey Christ.
Even non-Christians know this is false.

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Now your lying......all I have ever said is that those who believe the gospel you peddle will find themselves in the many grouping.....

Faith plus works for, to keep or top off salvation is false....

Lord, Lord, have we not done many wonderful works in your name<-----the same gospel ALL workers for peddle......

and we are done.....do not address me anymore Fran..........I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and have not reported your return and have engaged you and yet your hatred reeks and thumbing down my posts is ridiculous......
Is this kindergarten???
I've received many many thanks down ,,,, not by you ,,,,
And I never complained.

I'm just stating I don't like what you're saying because I don't care to comment.
 

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And there is me thinking that he died on the cross to forgive me of my sins.
The thing that separates us from God.
As he said on the cross "Father forgive them, they don't know what they are doing"

Jesus died on the cross to reconcile us to the Father.
He had to do so in order for the Holy Spirit to come to convict us of the greatest sin.

John 16:8-11
8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 about sin, because people do not believe in me; 10 about righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; 11 and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned

The sin of unbelief in Jesus.

John 14:26
26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
Weren't people in the OT forgiven of their sins????
Or did they all go to hell???

That's not really why Jesus went to the cross.
 

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Why do you critique the BIBLE, like every Author should have EVERY SUBJECT COVERED. DO YOU REALIZE how MANY VOLUMES THAT WOULD MAKE THE BIBLE ? ? ?


John 21:24-25 (HCSB)
24 This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.
25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which, if they were written one by one,
I suppose not even the world itself could contain the books that would be written.



It is a book of the HIGHLIGHTS THAT GOD WANT US TO KNOW. Nothing More!


THEN PEOPLE WANT TO ABBREVIATE IT EVEN MORE.

Have you ever heard people that want to believe that James 2:14 justifies that that we must complete our SALVATION, who will quote verse 13 also ? ? ?


James 2:13-14 (HCSB)
13 For judgment is without mercy to the one who hasn’t shown mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can his faith save him?


THAT verse 13 is a parallel to one of Paul's verses:



Titus 3:5 (HCSB)
5 He saved usnot by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.


All JAMES is saying, is IF YOU WERE REALLY BORN AGAIN when you FIRST GENUINELY BELIEVED, there WILL be EVIDENCE of that Born Again experience was REAL, when the Holy Spirit Poured GOD's LOVE in your Heart (human spirit) Rom. 5:5. In other words YOU WILL WANT TO LOVE GOD BACK, with the same Kind of LOVE that the Holy Spirit Poured into Your heart.
I must be a Lutheran VCO. Not so sure that is what James is saying. All the other books mention Holy Spirit. Why not James?

Am still doing research so my mind is pliable....no worries.
 

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Please see the following posts...
They say we are not required to follow or obey Christ.
Even non-Christians know this is false.

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Oy vey! How can I find those posts? I would be interested if someone actually said that.

I hope not!
 
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Oy vey! How can I find those posts? I would be interested if someone actually said that.

I hope not!
Here is one of the posts she quotes to say that some say they are not required to follow or obey Christ......NOTICE WHAT is actually said and do not buy her drivel....

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Yes of course, no dispute there .....why, do they have peace and security, because they think so highly of their ability to be good followers.

Those on the narrow path, however, know the truth of who they are and why they are not called to follow a model of good behaviour to earn salvation (like other world religions aspiring to be like their master) but those on the narrow path are in Jesus and Jesus is in them.
 

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It is worded differently stonesoffire
Jesus said in John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.


James spoke of the Engrafted Word, the New Covenant. GOD's Law's, HIS Word, HIS Spirit in our hearts and minds, the Mystery which is now revealed, the Gospel. Christ in us the hope of Glory.

We need to believe the Word, GOD's Spirit is nigh unto us, in our hearts and in our minds that we may do it. We need to believe that God has written his Laws in our hearts and in our minds; so that out of our heart we speak and do according to his will through the Faith that He established in us through Christ.

In James 1:18 God says, Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Paul writes through The Spirit in Colossians, "Having put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge, after the image of him that created him. Therefore he reasons, put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds".

This is what James is alluding to. That we should be a kind of first fruits of His creatures. Please listen carefully as we continue in James 1:21, "lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word."
The engrafted Word, His commandants, GOD's Spirit written in the heart and mind, the Law of Liberty. The Law of freedom, freedom from the slavery of sin through engrafted Word, THROUGH HIS SPIRIT. For God had said through Jesus, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant ( the sinner) abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.


Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

For He has said, the Word is nigh thee (engrafted) in thy mouth and thy heart that we may do it This is which is able to save your souls. Be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass, but forgot what manner man he was. Which is now the new man which is after the image of Him who created him through GOD'S SPIRIT. For of His own will begat He us, to do by nature the things contained in the law, showing the work of the law written in our hearts, being partakers of His divine nature, HIS Word through HIS Spirit.

But whoso looketh into the perfect Law of Liberty, that which is begotten of Him, the new man after the image of Him that created him. The first fruit of His creatures, renewed through the law; His Word engrafted in the heart through GOD's Spirit and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. (Col 3:8-10;Rom 2:14-15; 2Pe 1:3,4; John 8:34-36; 1Pe 2:24-25; Rom 6:6-7; Col 2:11-12; Jas 1:18, 21-25; Heb 8:10; Rom 8:10 KJV)
Hi Lightbearer

The words that Jesus said in the gospels was He is looking for those who worship in spirit and truth. The engrafted Word is in our Heart. I know this for a fact because the Word rises up in my mind as I need. But, the "in spirit and truth" is something I just got revelation on.

When we are born again, filled with His Spirit, we are said to be circumcised of flesh. An act of God upon us. We establish the law then by this circumcision of our flesh which is the roots of all disobedience to the law of God. We do by His power then....no boasting of our own sweat trying...

Do you see this? God has completed our salvation for us in every way. We do work it out in our life by faith....putting our whole trust in what He has declared...it's finished.

I hope I explained this easy to understand.
 

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Hi Lightbearer

The words that Jesus said in the gospels was He is looking for those who worship in spirit and truth. The engrafted Word is in our Heart. I know this for a fact because the Word rises up in my mind as I need. But, the "in spirit and truth" is something I just got revelation on.

When we are born again, filled with His Spirit, we are said to be circumcised of flesh. An act of God upon us. We establish the law then by this circumcision of our flesh which is the roots of all disobedience to the law of God. We do by His power then....no boasting of our own sweat trying...

Do you see this? God has completed our salvation for us in every way. We do work it out in our life by faith....putting our whole trust in what He has declared...it's finished.

I hope I explained this easy to understand.
Forget the like.
Keep studying....
Circumcision was the sign of a covenant....
In the new covenant our heart is circumcised.
Theres much more....
 

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Now your lying......all I have ever said is that those who believe the gospel you peddle will find themselves in the many grouping.....

Faith plus works for, to keep or top off salvation is false....

Lord, Lord, have we not done many wonderful works in your name<-----the same gospel ALL workers for peddle......

and we are done.....do not address me anymore Fran..........I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and have not reported your return and have engaged you and yet your hatred reeks and thumbing down my posts is ridiculous......
Where are those in the Many grouping going??
Per you.....hell.

You say they will find themselves surprised at judgement because they THINK they're saved.
(But really aren't)

Where's the christianly love Jesus spoke of??

Love God
Love your neighbor.
 
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Where are those in the Many grouping going??
Per you.....hell.

You say they will find themselves surprised at judgement because they THINK they're saved.
(But really aren't)

Where's the christianly love Jesus spoke of??

Love God
Love your neighbor.
Facts are facts Fran....and JESUS has them cast from his presence having NEVER known them...........a group of RELIGIOUS people called MANY by the LORD (plenteous in number) that claimed FAITH, named JESUS as LORD and fully expected to enter the kingdom based upon the MANY wonderful works they have done in his name......

They believed the false GOSPEL of a different kind HAMMERED by Paul in Galatians....

FAITH plus WORKS to finish it off.........
 

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Facts are facts Fran....and JESUS has them cast from his presence having NEVER known them...........a group of RELIGIOUS people called MANY by the LORD (plenteous in number) that claimed FAITH, named JESUS as LORD and fully expected to enter the kingdom based upon the MANY wonderful works they have done in his name......

They believed the false GOSPEL of a different kind HAMMERED by Paul in Galatians....

FAITH plus WORKS to finish it off.........
2 questions...

Why did Jesus banish them? He says why.

Did Jesus and Paul teach the same doctrine?

I'm not going to pursue this,,,just curious.