Praying in Tongues

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EG....not long ago I said you had changed for the better

however I am seeing the same dude I put on ignore because he was hounding me and demanding I answer him and acknowledge he was right about his perspective. you were obnoxious and sounded like you had an axe to grind with just about anyone who had one thought that was not the same as yours. actually you were doing to me exactly what you are doing here with CS1. you would actually create a post talking to others ABOUT me and you have done it to other people as well

it seems you cannot let anything go

I remember you reporting people you thought were folks who had been banned and come back under a different name and you would start at them and whamo... you would accuse them and then report them to a mod you got along with. everybody who has been here any length of time knows this.

if you have a private beef with a mod...in this CS1, you would do far better to resolve it between you in private...and if you do not get 'satisfaction' get over it because this is not a church and you don't need to air whatever your gripe is all over the place. you know sometimes it is ok to just walk away no matter how right you may think you are. if someone says to you they do not want to talk to you, you really do not have the right to demand they talk to you. seriously...do you have some vision of yourself as an interrogator that everyone has to give their time to or make feel better?

all kinds of people read these forums and if I were not a Christian I would shake my head and say 'just like the world'

I don't think you see yourself and you know I am not the first person to tell you that you need to step back and quit this hounding that you do

you need to stop and there is no better time than right now. you think you are defending yourself, but it comes across as someone who has to have the last word and will go on until the second coming about it

not only that, but you have got others to join in what you are doing. I am not defending CS1 here because I don't even know what your problem with him is AND I DON'T WANT TO KNOW!!!
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I did not come in here to hound, i came in to see what was going on,

I asked a simple question,

I did not start this crap, but as usual i get the blame

Whatever!
 
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Edify:

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οἰκοδομέω

oikodomeō

oy-kod-om-eh'-o

From the same as G3619; to be a house builder, that is, construct or (figuratively) confirm: - (be in) build (-er, -ing, up), edify, embolden.

One can be sad, depressed, worried about something, needing direction (just one example) and praying in Holy Spirit ministers.

There's never been any of you protestors that wanted to pray but couldn't find the words? Or ever thought that it would be so helpful if we could just have a conversation with the Father?

Holy Spirit is our helper in every way.
 
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stonesoffire said:
Edify:

G3618

οἰκοδομέω

oikodomeō

oy-kod-om-eh'-o

From the same as G3619; to be a house builder, that is, construct or (figuratively) confirm: - (be in) build (-er, -ing, up), edify, embolden.

One can be sad, depressed, worried about something, needing direction (just one example) and praying in Holy Spirit ministers.

There's never been any of you protestors that wanted to pray but couldn't find the words? Or ever thought that it would be so helpful if we could just have a conversation with the Father?

Holy Spirit is our helper in every way.
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No one is arguing this sis, and if they are, then i disagree with them

I praise god the HS prayers for me, and i am sure he has to pray alot!
 
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Noose said:
Your erroneous opinion



Not at all. Get understanding.

Do you believe there are people today with the ability to raise the dead physically?
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I know there are those who have been emboldened to be used to raise the dead. Ask me how!

And only Gods power raises the dead.
 
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stonesoffire said:
Edify:

G3618

οἰκοδομέω

oikodomeō

oy-kod-om-eh'-o

From the same as G3619; to be a house builder, that is, construct or (figuratively) confirm: - (be in) build (-er, -ing, up), edify, embolden.

One can be sad, depressed, worried about something, needing direction (just one example) and praying in Holy Spirit ministers.

There's never been any of you protestors that wanted to pray but couldn't find the words? Or ever thought that it would be so helpful if we could just have a conversation with the Father?

Holy Spirit is our helper in every way.
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That is never the work of tongues. Gifts are to edify others and this is the way of love because love is always about others and never self.
 
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stonesoffire said:
I know there are those who have been emboldened to be used to raise the dead. Ask me how!

And only Gods power raises the dead.
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This i will tell you plainly, there's no one in the entire world is embolden to raise the dead physically. You don't need to show me how because anything would be falsehood.
And i know it is God who raises the dead but today He doesn't, not that He can't, know the times and seasons
 
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Noose said:
That is never the work of tongues. Gifts are to edify others and this is the way of love because love is always about others and never self.
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Your assertions are not consistent with Scripture. The one who prays in tongues edifies himself. Nothing in Scripture states that gifts are only for "others". What builds up one person builds up the body as a whole.
 
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This i will tell you plainly, there's no one in the entire world is embolden to raise the dead physically. You don't need to show me how because anything would be falsehood.
And i know it is God who raises the dead but today He doesn't, not that He can't, know the times and seasons
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So God is not in this "season" of grace? Do you even know what grace means?

Bet you didn't like to hear the song Gods not dead!
 
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stonesoffire said:
So God is not in this "season" of grace? Do you even know what grace means?

Bet you didn't like to hear the song Gods not dead!
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God is not dead and the season of grace doesn't mean healings and miracles. Grace is of the new covenant/ the new covenant is of the kingdom of God and one feature about this kingdom is that it comes with NO OBSERVABLE SIGNS. No one can say "look those that are speaking meaningless words or these that are healing, or here it is or there it is.."
 
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This i will tell you plainly, there's no one in the entire world is embolden to raise the dead physically. You don't need to show me how because anything would be falsehood.
And i know it is God who raises the dead but today He doesn't, not that He can't, know the times and seasons
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you see that is your error you assume one would try to raise the dead out of self-gratification. This idea mainly comes from a false narrative from those who argue against the gifts of the Holy Spirit and the idea God does miracles today. it is not that one is embold to raise the Dead but to pray for one who is dying or has died that God would move to do and believe He can and does. But they accept that HE God does say no. you do not accept the word of God as they see God can and has raised the dead today. If they provide you testimony you have attacked that. So your reasoning of doing so if you do not see Pentecostals as saved and unbiblical. Therefore you have to be against all they speak of.
 
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God is not dead and the season of grace doesn't mean healings and miracles. Grace is of the new covenant/ the new covenant is of the kingdom of God and one feature about this kingdom is that it comes with NO OBSERVABLE SIGNS. No one can say "look those that are speaking meaningless words or these that are healing, or here it is or there it is.."
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The kingdom of God within is the new birth. That's an inward work of Holy Spirit giving eternal life through the blood sacrifice of the Cross. There's a new boss in town. Lol No more under the dominion of the world, flesh, and Satan.

But, being baptized or whelmed of Holy Spirit does come with giftings and power.
 
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God is not dead and the season of grace doesn't mean healings and miracles. Grace is of the new covenant/ the new covenant is of the kingdom of God and one feature about this kingdom is that it comes with NO OBSERVABLE SIGNS. No one can say "look those that are speaking meaningless words or these that are healing, or here it is or there it is.."
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yes, it does, healing and miracles happen every day. God heals and saves and delivers people every day because HE Loves. You limit God and think you are Biblical in doing so. You have a secular humanist approach to your Biblical understanding. you look at the word of God to disprove God working today. As other Look at the Word of God and have faith HE still heals and delivers and saves. You attack what you do not know or what is not to your intellectual acceptance. That sir, is Pride.
 
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you see that is your error you assume one would try to raise the dead out of self-gratification. This idea mainly comes from a false narrative from those who argue against the gifts of the Holy Spirit and the idea God does miracles today. it is not that one is embold to raise the Dead but to pray for one who is dying or has died that God would move to do and believe He can and does. But they accept that HE God does say no. you do not accept the word of God as they see God can and has raised the dead today. If they provide you testimony you have attacked that. So your reasoning of doing so if you do not see Pentecostals as saved and unbiblical. Therefore you have to be against all they speak of.
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If using the word 'embolden' is wrong, pick it up with stonesoffire, i was just quoting back.

Paul says the gift is under the control of the person who is given the gift. If they can raise the dead, they don't need to ask and accept any outcome, they need to command the dead to rise, otherwise why is it called a gift? How is anything a gift if someone doesn't own it?

This is another reason i won't accept claims of people having authority to heal or do miracles.
 
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If using the word 'embolden' is wrong, pick it up with stonesoffire, i was just quoting back.

Paul says the gift is under the control of the person who is given the gift. If they can raise the dead, they don't need to ask and accept any outcome, they need to command the dead to rise, otherwise why is it called a gift? How is anything a gift if someone doesn't own it?

This is another reason i won't accept claims of people having authority to heal or do miracles.
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I don't care if you picked it up with or from. First off where does it say 1cor 12 thru 14 chapters that raising the dead is a gift? You do not know the context of 1cor 12 to 14 do you? NO one here has said the power to raise the dead is a gift. Only you.

raising the dead is an act of God period. If ones pray to God to bring back a person which happens all the time. But you make humanistic excuses for them. raising the dead is not part of the Charismata in 1cor 12 to 14.

If God raises the dead because someone is praying that is called an answer to prayer GOD did it and should be given full glory for it. I will attempt ask you a question .

man in hospital dies on table for 15 minutes doctors use shock treatment and he comes back to life . Did the doctors raise the dead or did God?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I did not come in here to hound, i came in to see what was going on,

I asked a simple question,

I did not start this crap, but as usual i get the blame

Whatever!
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apparently you choose to be angry. I did not blame you for anything. I addressed the behavior you choose to display and you have hounded CS1 and you have hounded many others in the past, including me so I know what I am talking about

you had stopped it...but you are right back doing what is or should be, beneath you as you have called yourself a teacher

there is no way you can be happy with yourself so enjoy it
 
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stonesoffire said:
The kingdom of God within is the new birth. That's an inward work of Holy Spirit giving eternal life through the blood sacrifice of the Cross. There's a new boss in town. Lol No more under the dominion of the world, flesh, and Satan.

But, being baptized or whelmed of Holy Spirit does come with giftings and power.
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So you are saying that tongues and other gifts including knowledge and faith and love are not the inward work of the Holy spirit?
 
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