Praying in Tongues

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Hevosmies

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Then your belief is wrong because the following words were spoken in the 1st century:

Mark 1:14After the arrest of John, Jesus went into Galilee and proclaimed the gospel of God. 15“The time is fulfilled,” He said, “and the kingdom of God is near.Repent and believe in the gospel!”

Matthew 3:2
and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."

Matthew 4:17
From that time on Jesus began to preach, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."

Non of these implies some indefinite time in the future but 1st century.



Isa 10:
5Woe to Assyria, the rod of My anger;
the staff in their hands is My wrath.
6I will send him against a godless nation;
I will dispatch him against a people destined for My rage,.....
12So when the Lord has completed all His work against Mount Zion and Jerusalem, He will say, “I will punish the king of Assyria for the fruit of his arrogant heart and the proud look in his eyes.” 13For he says:

“By the strength of my hand I have done this,

and by my wisdom, for I am clever.
Those verses say woe to Assyria, the rod of my anger.
Not SATAN the wrath of my anger.

Also, im aware of those verses, but what about Revelation 11:15 that I quoted? Which talks of the kingdoms of this world becoming the kingdoms of Christ, IN THE FUTURE?
 

Noose

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satan will not do anything that God does not allow him to in context the nature of Satan i.e. steal kill and destroy you. You will never be able to show me that Satan would heal me. satan does not want to heal me, he wants to kill me. You are allegorizing scripture. also, the context of Satan aka Lucifer has changed after he was kicked out of heaven. Satan is limited and god can use satan to do what he wants yes, but Nowhere in the word of God does satan heal or save.
Taking everything literally does not help you. When it is said that satan steals, destroys and kills, it is in a spiritual sense and not physical sense. Everyone dies even the righteous dies and this is nothing personal but God harvesting the earth. We see in Rev 14 two angels being ordered from heaven to harvest the earth, both the wheat and tares. There's nothing that happens against the will of God.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I don't think so:

2 Thess 2:9The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder, 10and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them. 11For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie, 12in order that judgment will come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness.
This is talking about the end days

It also speaks of false wonder

Raising people from the dead is not false wonder, healing someone through prayer to god is not false wonder. A person speaking to another person in their own language, is not false wonder (if it is a miracle)

I think you need to determine what is from god, and what is impossible
 

CS1

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Then your belief is wrong because the following words were spoken in the 1st century:

Mark 1:14After the arrest of John, Jesus went into Galilee and proclaimed the gospel of God. 15“The time is fulfilled,” He said, “and the kingdom of God is near.Repent and believe in the gospel!”

Matthew 3:2
and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."

Matthew 4:17
From that time on Jesus began to preach, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."

Non of these implies some indefinite time in the future but 1st century.



Isa 10:
5Woe to Assyria, the rod of My anger;
the staff in their hands is My wrath.
6I will send him against a godless nation;
I will dispatch him against a people destined for My rage,.....
12So when the Lord has completed all His work against Mount Zion and Jerusalem, He will say, “I will punish the king of Assyria for the fruit of his arrogant heart and the proud look in his eyes.” 13For he says:

“By the strength of my hand, I have done this,

and by my wisdom, for I am clever.
you really over-spiritualize the word of God. You like to allegorize. and your mark 1:14 is out of context.
what Jesus was saying the Messiah is here and God is near. repent. Notice the was the same message John was saying prior to being arrested. what was filled was a few things one the time of John was done or fulfilled. the time of the Messiah was at hand or with them now God is near. Jesus brought the Kingdom to them. Then Jesus told the disciples to take over and do what?

matthew 28:

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18Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth.19Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations,b baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. 20Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

mark said what?
Mark 16:15And then he told them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. 16Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned.17These miraculous signs will accompany those who believe: They will cast out demons in my name, and they will speak in new languages.e 18They will be able to handle snakes with safety, and if they drink anything poisonous, it won’t hurt them. They will be able to place their hands on the sick, and they will be healed.”
This has not stopped and you have not shown in scripture where it has.
 

Noose

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Satan can not do miracles, he can not heal people. Satan certainly can not raise people from the dead, He why do you put him equal with god?
I did not. Those that attribute to God things that are not God's are equating satan to God. Satan deceives them to believe that whatever they do is from God and therefore claim that it is God yet it is not God. There's no higher pride than claiming "what i'm doing is God's doing.." when it is not.
 

Noose

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It says they CLAIM to do those things, it did not say they did, and jesus responded to them, by saying he never knew them, not an acknowledge,ent they did anything.
Nobody just wakes up one day and claims they did when they did not. These people will be surprised and it shows that they actually did miracles all along thinking that it is from God when it was not. On the other hand, God's people will also be surprised when Jesus will tell them "you saw me naked and clothed me, you saw me hungry and fed me..." and they will ask "..master, when did we see you naked...". This is what it means the first shall be the last and the last the first.
 

CS1

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Taking everything literally does not help you. When it is said that satan steals, destroys and kills, it is in a spiritual sense and not physical sense. Everyone dies even the righteous dies and this is nothing personal but God harvesting the earth. We see in Rev 14 two angels being ordered from heaven to harvest the earth, both the wheat and tares. There's nothing that happens against the will of God.
true but I don't take everything in the word of God literally I try to see it contextually from what is known as the authorial intent.
it can be literal or a normative or descriptive. It can be metaphorical, and Prophetic. It can be for a time frame and it can be applied today if the application is biblical. to see the word of God only metaphorically and not contextually is improper hermeneutics. That means interpreting the word of God incorrectly.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I did not. Those that attribute to God things that are not God's are equating satan to God. Satan deceives them to believe that whatever they do is from God and therefore claim that it is God yet it is not God. There's no higher pride than claiming "what i'm doing is God's doing.." when it is not.
The pharisees tried to associate all christ did to satan himself

Before you start judging, you best make sure your not making the same mistake they did
 

Noose

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well I understand full well, sadly you have hate. maybe it was someone who hurt you that was a charismatic or Pentecostal. You blanketly toe tag all with that, which is wrong and now it is your personal issue. Self-examination is much needed. clearly, those who thought they were right with God were not. The sad thing is you only see it as those who speak in tongues or cast out devils. You need to read more.
I have and i continue reading but also you, the day your eyes will be opened you'll toss away everything like one does a menstrual cloth.
Isa 30:
19O people in Zion, who dwell in Jerusalem, you will weep no more. He will surely be gracious at the sound of your cry; when He hears, He will answer you. 20The Lord will give you the bread of adversity and the water of affliction, but your Teacher will no longer hide Himself—with your own eyes you will see Him.

21And whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear this command behind you: “This is the way. Walk in it.” 22So you will desecrate your silver-plated idols and your gold-plated images. You will throw them away like menstrual cloths, saying, “Be gone!”

You will see them as filthy items.
 

CS1

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I have and i continue reading but also you, the day your eyes will be opened you'll toss away everything like one does a menstrual cloth.
Isa 30:
19O people in Zion, who dwell in Jerusalem, you will weep no more. He will surely be gracious at the sound of your cry; when He hears, He will answer you. 20The Lord will give you the bread of adversity and the water of affliction, but your Teacher will no longer hide Himself—with your own eyes you will see Him.

21And whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear this command behind you: “This is the way. Walk in it.” 22So you will desecrate your silver-plated idols and your gold-plated images. You will throw them away like menstrual cloths, saying, “Be gone!”

You will see them as filthy items.
no, I will not because my eyes are open. You just hate.
 

Noose

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Those verses say woe to Assyria, the rod of my anger.
Not SATAN the wrath of my anger.

Also, im aware of those verses, but what about Revelation 11:15 that I quoted? Which talks of the kingdoms of this world becoming the kingdoms of Christ, IN THE FUTURE?
Well, if you didn't know, whatever happened to Israel is a foreshadowing of the Church. Nebuchadnezzar/ the Assyrian/ babylon- are all representative of the antichrist (satan) in the last days. All authority belongs to God and satan is also given authority to overcome God's people. After that, God crushes him and his kingdom and establishes His (God's) kingdom forever.
Read Daniel - how Nebuchadnezzar was given authority over all kingdoms and God snatched it and established His kingdom.
 

CS1

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Well, if you didn't know, whatever happened to Israel is a foreshadowing of the Church. Nebuchadnezzar/ the Assyrian/ babylon- are all representative of the antichrist (satan) in the last days. All authority belongs to God and satan is also given authority to overcome God's people. After that, God crushes him and his kingdom and establishes His (God's) kingdom forever.
Read Daniel - how Nebuchadnezzar was given authority over all kingdoms and God snatched it and established His kingdom.
the reason why God allowed those nations to rule over His people was idolatry. each Time they repented God returned. read more and hate less.
 

Noose

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you really over-spiritualize the word of God. You like to allegorize. and your mark 1:14 is out of context.
what Jesus was saying the Messiah is here and God is near. repent. Notice the was the same message John was saying prior to being arrested. what was filled was a few things one the time of John was done or fulfilled. the time of the Messiah was at hand or with them now God is near. Jesus brought the Kingdom to them. Then Jesus told the disciples to take over and do what?

matthew 28:

18-20
18Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth.19Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations,b baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. 20Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

mark said what?
Mark 16:15And then he told them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. 16Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned.17These miraculous signs will accompany those who believe: They will cast out demons in my name, and they will speak in new languages.e 18They will be able to handle snakes with safety, and if they drink anything poisonous, it won’t hurt them. They will be able to place their hands on the sick, and they will be healed.”
This has not stopped and you have not shown in scripture where it has.
Fail.
Luke 17:
20When asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God will not come with observable signs. 21Nor will people say, ‘Look, here it is,’ or ‘There it is.’ For you see, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”c

22Then He said to the disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. 23People will tell you, ‘Look, there He is,’ or ‘Here He is.’

The Messiah speaking here was clearly observable.
 

Noose

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true but I don't take everything in the word of God literally I try to see it contextually from what is known as the authorial intent.
it can be literal or a normative or descriptive. It can be metaphorical, and Prophetic. It can be for a time frame and it can be applied today if the application is biblical. to see the word of God only metaphorically and not contextually is improper hermeneutics. That means interpreting the word of God incorrectly.
Then what does these mean contextually:

Psalms 116:
15Precious in the sight of the LORD
is the death of His saints.

Isa 57:
1The righteous perish,
and no one takes it to heart;
devout men are swept away,
with none considering
that the righteous are guided
from the presence of evil.

2Those who walk uprightly enter into peace;
they find rest, lying down in death
.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Definitely not what i had in mind the reason i said 'physical resurrection'
Why is it that when it comes to raising the dead then it is said that God can raise the dead but when it comes to speaking in tongues it is said the person is speaking in tongues- aren't all these the doing of one God?

Q. Are there men who God uses to raise the dead physically today like there are plenty who God has put a 'new tongue'?

yes you did and I addressed BOTH

so?

how about you telling us how it is that you fancy yourself to be omnipresent

stop asking questions you think you the answer to and thereby thinking you have one over on us and how about YOU answer question

I noticed you do not have a very good record with that

no one has a new tongue but I would advise you to watch yours :rolleyes:
 

Noose

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the reason why God allowed those nations to rule over His people was idolatry. each Time they repented God returned. read more and hate less.
Then why is it that God is asking the church (in the last days) to come out of Babylon, if everything is rosy within the church:

Rev 18: 4Then I heard another voice from heaven say: Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins or contract any of her plagues.

Or you think God is asking Netanyahu to come out of Damascus?
 

Noose

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yes you did and I addressed BOTH

so?

how about you telling us how it is that you fancy yourself to be omnipresent

stop asking questions you think you the answer to and thereby thinking you have one over on us and how about YOU answer question

I noticed you do not have a very good record with that

no one has a new tongue but I would advise you to watch yours :rolleyes:
I'm not omnipresent, where did you get that from?
 
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Q. How is self edification not self seeking?
We all know that love is not self seeking and where there's no love there's no God also.

you have not understood (big surprise there since you refuse the One who gives understanding)

the gift of tongues, with regards to the person God has given the gift to, is edified by their praying and or speaking to God in tongues

now tell me and everyone else, why you study the Bible (if you do)

do you not seek to gain knowledge? and what is that but edifying yourself

you seem to be having problems in English also