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wrong healing is what God does for it is HIS Nature to heal. Healing is part of love healing is part of the gospel, healing is to show God is alive. healing was not to validate prophets the word they Spoke validated if it was from God or not. Also there is one greater than the Prophets who said the Lord Jesus said in John 9
The NIV says it this way in context to the man born blind who was asked by the disciples " who sinned"?
" 3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the "works" of God might be displayed in him.
KJV "3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
the "works"
The word "works here in each verse are the same Greek word "ergon ". contextually work of salvation committed by God to Christ: the work to be done by the apostles and other Christian teachers, as well as by the presiding officers of the religious assemblies, Acts 13:2; Acts 15:38;
application today We proclaim the Gospel message and God will save, heal, and deliver Sozo! that work is done today.
The NIV says it this way in context to the man born blind who was asked by the disciples " who sinned"?
" 3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the "works" of God might be displayed in him.
KJV "3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
the "works"
The word "works here in each verse are the same Greek word "ergon ". contextually work of salvation committed by God to Christ: the work to be done by the apostles and other Christian teachers, as well as by the presiding officers of the religious assemblies, Acts 13:2; Acts 15:38;
application today We proclaim the Gospel message and God will save, heal, and deliver Sozo! that work is done today.
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Wrong. Healing and other miracles were to validate the messenger and also confirm the message. It has been said several times, from the time of Moses. What is precious to God is indeed precious to Him because He does all His desires and no one can overturn:
Psalms 116:
15Precious in the sight of the Lord
is the death of his faithful servants.
Isa 57:
1The righteous perish,
and no one takes it to heart;
the devout are taken away,
and no one understands
that the righteous are taken away
to be spared from evil.
2Those who walk uprightly
enter into peace;
they find rest as they lie in death.
The will of God is to remove the elect from an evil world. So healing is against the will of God, He only allowed it for some time to confirm the message of the salvation gospel.
If you want to do more works than Jesus, go to a morgue and raise the dead physically, go the hospital and heal the many sick in there, don't just speak meaningless words. How is speaking meaningless words doing more works than Jesus did?
Psalms 116:
15Precious in the sight of the Lord
is the death of his faithful servants.
Isa 57:
1The righteous perish,
and no one takes it to heart;
the devout are taken away,
and no one understands
that the righteous are taken away
to be spared from evil.
2Those who walk uprightly
enter into peace;
they find rest as they lie in death.
The will of God is to remove the elect from an evil world. So healing is against the will of God, He only allowed it for some time to confirm the message of the salvation gospel.
If you want to do more works than Jesus, go to a morgue and raise the dead physically, go the hospital and heal the many sick in there, don't just speak meaningless words. How is speaking meaningless words doing more works than Jesus did?
Talk about Psalms 116:15 and Isa 57, leave the strawman.
If precious in the eyes of the Lord is the death of His saints and His will is that the days of the elect are shortened here on earth for them to be saved from evil in this world, where does this leave modern day healers? are they working against the will of God?
Again, God has precisely told us why He allowed certain people to do miracles:
Heb 2:1We must pay the most careful attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away.2For since the message spoken through angels was binding, and every violation and disobedience received its just punishment, 3how shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him. 4God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.
The gospel was preached and was confirmed in the first century. The things being done today are futility. Non of these are appointed by God.
If precious in the eyes of the Lord is the death of His saints and His will is that the days of the elect are shortened here on earth for them to be saved from evil in this world, where does this leave modern day healers? are they working against the will of God?
Again, God has precisely told us why He allowed certain people to do miracles:
Heb 2:1We must pay the most careful attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away.2For since the message spoken through angels was binding, and every violation and disobedience received its just punishment, 3how shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him. 4God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.
The gospel was preached and was confirmed in the first century. The things being done today are futility. Non of these are appointed by God.
The Bible still does not say 'sign gifts'. It certainly doesn't justify attaching them all together. Some cessationists try to argue that one passage gets rid of prophecy in the current area, and try to attach miracles, healing, and other gifts to prophecy without justification. The Bible doesn't group gifts that way.
Yes. Much of what you share indicates you are not gaining certain understanding from the word on the topics we are discussing.
The apostles walked by faith and did miracles. They did not consider seeing miracles or doing miracles as being in opposition to walking by faith. Some of your theories--which use verses out of context-- don't fit with the realities we see in scripture.
Are you aware that Dorcas was a Christian before she died?
There is a big difference. Balaam's donkey said, "Am I not your own donkey, which you have always ridden, to this day? " (NIV). Peter went around preaching the word of God. The LORD enabled the donkey to speak. He enables people to speak, too, but that doesn't make everything people say prophecy.
The apostles walked by faith and did miracles. They did not consider seeing miracles or doing miracles as being in opposition to walking by faith. Some of your theories--which use verses out of context-- don't fit with the realities we see in scripture.
Are you aware that Dorcas was a Christian before she died?
There is a big difference. Balaam's donkey said, "Am I not your own donkey, which you have always ridden, to this day? " (NIV). Peter went around preaching the word of God. The LORD enabled the donkey to speak. He enables people to speak, too, but that doesn't make everything people say prophecy.
Is that yes you do mix faith in what you hear or see coming from God as you search for the spiritual understanding ?
Or Yes. Much of what I share indicates you are not gaining certain understanding from the word on the topics we are discussing?
From my perspective you are walking by sight and not mixing the unseen understanding that comes from hearing the gospel. The sign that she had been forgiven of her sin followed after the gospel had done its work of forgiving her sin, giving the person the faith to believe God . The fact she did walk is a indication as a sign she had the faith of Christ that enabled her to walk .It points back to the work of the gospel . Its what signs in scripture do point back to show the unseen work of faith has performed its labor of love. It the love of God that does work in the believer with the believer (Emanuel) to both will and perform his good pleasure .
Nothing get accredited to the witness of the sign as to what the eyes see to include the apostles who had no hand in the healing. She could now walk by faith. .Just as the gospel as a sign gave those blind the ability to see . or the lepers that the gospel restored to new life or giving the deaf ears to hear the gospel. etc
The apostles rent their clothed when natural man tried to make them into gods in the likeness of men . The sign, the temporal as that seen is not the work in view the eternal not seen .
Again like the sign that says .You have just left the Milwaukee Wisconsin City limits we do not use it to points ahead to Chicago. It follows, not leads to confusion . Prophecy, the word of as the will of God, it leads .
And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.Acts 14:7-11
Other than the apostles being part of the witness of the sign that point back to the unseen gift salvation they had nothing to with the power of gospel, as if God who has no needs and satisfies all would need something from the clay he is forming Christ in as a new creature. This is as if he was served by human hands to begin with in any way shape or form .. God is not a man as us
Or Yes. Much of what I share indicates you are not gaining certain understanding from the word on the topics we are discussing?
From my perspective you are walking by sight and not mixing the unseen understanding that comes from hearing the gospel. The sign that she had been forgiven of her sin followed after the gospel had done its work of forgiving her sin, giving the person the faith to believe God . The fact she did walk is a indication as a sign she had the faith of Christ that enabled her to walk .It points back to the work of the gospel . Its what signs in scripture do point back to show the unseen work of faith has performed its labor of love. It the love of God that does work in the believer with the believer (Emanuel) to both will and perform his good pleasure .
Nothing get accredited to the witness of the sign as to what the eyes see to include the apostles who had no hand in the healing. She could now walk by faith. .Just as the gospel as a sign gave those blind the ability to see . or the lepers that the gospel restored to new life or giving the deaf ears to hear the gospel. etc
The apostles rent their clothed when natural man tried to make them into gods in the likeness of men . The sign, the temporal as that seen is not the work in view the eternal not seen .
Again like the sign that says .You have just left the Milwaukee Wisconsin City limits we do not use it to points ahead to Chicago. It follows, not leads to confusion . Prophecy, the word of as the will of God, it leads .
And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.Acts 14:7-11
Other than the apostles being part of the witness of the sign that point back to the unseen gift salvation they had nothing to with the power of gospel, as if God who has no needs and satisfies all would need something from the clay he is forming Christ in as a new creature. This is as if he was served by human hands to begin with in any way shape or form .. God is not a man as us
The death was used as a demonstration of a unseen spiritual work just as was Lazarus.
Its appointed for all men to die once . One literal body of death per person . The second death lake of fire confirms no spirit will be raised on the last day
No difference same author and perfecter.
I did not say every time a person speaks it equals prophecy of the scripture. The understanding of that parable simply informs us God is not served by human hands and that he can use a donkey as on who believes not the word of God to bring His word and stop the madness of false prophets bringing their false prophecy, as the poison of serpents
Its appointed for all men to die once . One literal body of death per person . The second death lake of fire confirms no spirit will be raised on the last day
No difference same author and perfecter.
I did not say every time a person speaks it equals prophecy of the scripture. The understanding of that parable simply informs us God is not served by human hands and that he can use a donkey as on who believes not the word of God to bring His word and stop the madness of false prophets bringing their false prophecy, as the poison of serpents
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Prophecy the word of God calls something "signs" and another "gifts" .But does not call it a sign gift anymore that he calls it sign curse . The context must be searched out .as to who and what the sign points and what they do confirm.
It would seem the Holy Spirit has set up a standard as to the cause... "yet for all that will they not hear me", and who it confirms, "them who do not believe prophecy in any language" (atheist no god in their hearts.)
The sign of those who do hear prophecy is they believe in a God not seen.
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, "not to them that" believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corihithians 14:21 -22
It would seem the Holy Spirit has set up a standard as to the cause... "yet for all that will they not hear me", and who it confirms, "them who do not believe prophecy in any language" (atheist no god in their hearts.)
The sign of those who do hear prophecy is they believe in a God not seen.
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, "not to them that" believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corihithians 14:21 -22
Tongues as a gift is prophecy spoken by God (not by men) in many languages . Tongues as a outward sign seen is a curse directed toward those who will not hear and believe God not seen . The sign that men did hear prophecy is they believed God . Tongue a sign of rebellion that followed prophecy and yet they still believe not
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, "not to them that" believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corihithians 14:21 -22
What's up with Acts 10?
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, "not to them that" believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corihithians 14:21 -22
What's up with Acts 10?