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K
oh my lands give it up already
you sound like you are apologizing to yourself for being so wrong
you can believe a flying fish is coming to your house for dinner tonight and is going to set the table and then cook himself
what you believe is just a big example of someone trying to make the wrong belief fit the right scripture
fish ain't coming to yer house neither
but none of them will cook dinner for you
ps...I accept your apology
you sound like you are apologizing to yourself for being so wrong
you can believe a flying fish is coming to your house for dinner tonight and is going to set the table and then cook himself
what you believe is just a big example of someone trying to make the wrong belief fit the right scripture
fish ain't coming to yer house neither
but none of them will cook dinner for you
ps...I accept your apology
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slaps forehead and looks at ceiling, while drumming fingers and shaking head (yes in case anyone has wondered I can do at least 2 things at a time)
then, thinks of this:
you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink
with just a little imagination, a person can altar that a bit to sum it all up
then, thinks of this:
you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink
with just a little imagination, a person can altar that a bit to sum it all up
K
I can understand that as well we as people shouldn’t be so devils into details kind of thing for we are not all going to agree on everything. as people it’s probably best to pick and choose what is exactly is important enough to debate on and what things we should just let go. communicating and expressing thoughts and ideas to others is a challenge at times.
The ministry of the Apostles continues on today and will do so until Jesus returns.
The same instructions were given and obeyed by all peoples; Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritans. (half-Jew, half-Gentile)
The same message has gone forth through Christians into all nations and will continue.
Jesus' final words in Matthew 28:20 Teach them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you...
The same instructions were given and obeyed by all peoples; Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritans. (half-Jew, half-Gentile)
The same message has gone forth through Christians into all nations and will continue.
Jesus' final words in Matthew 28:20 Teach them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you...
Legalism is when individuals work at trying to follow Old Testament rules to gain entrance into Heaven. Not going to happen.
The instructions to repent, be water and Holy Ghost baptized began in the New Testament and have nothing to do with the Old Testament law.
All scripture is provided for many things and one of those is for instruction in righteousness.
The instructions given in Acts reside in God's Word. They should not be ignored.
2 Tim 3:16-17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
The instructions to repent, be water and Holy Ghost baptized began in the New Testament and have nothing to do with the Old Testament law.
All scripture is provided for many things and one of those is for instruction in righteousness.
The instructions given in Acts reside in God's Word. They should not be ignored.
2 Tim 3:16-17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
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As seen in scripture all peoples received the message and got water baptized and received the Holy Ghost baptism as well. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6, 22:16) Some received the Holy Ghost first and got water baptized afterward. (Jews and Gentiles) Others vice versa (Samaritans). So it does not matter which one is received first; however, both were received.
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actually no
legalism is not defined as OT law only
Legalism (or nomism), in Christian theology, is the act of putting law above gospel by establishing requirements for salvation beyond repentance and faith in Jesus Christ and reducing the broad, inclusive and general precepts of the Bible to narrow and rigid moral codes.
notice it says nothing about OT law but defines a Christian going beyond what salvation is
salvation is not the blood of Christ PLUS baptism
2 Tim 3:16-17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works
right and that does not include baptism as an addition to the requirement
I don't know. maybe you are thinking of sanctification ... but probably not
we understand righteousness from scritpure and we understand we do not have any no matter what works we do
we are righteous in Christ only.
legalism is not defined as OT law only
Legalism (or nomism), in Christian theology, is the act of putting law above gospel by establishing requirements for salvation beyond repentance and faith in Jesus Christ and reducing the broad, inclusive and general precepts of the Bible to narrow and rigid moral codes.
notice it says nothing about OT law but defines a Christian going beyond what salvation is
salvation is not the blood of Christ PLUS baptism
2 Tim 3:16-17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works
right and that does not include baptism as an addition to the requirement
I don't know. maybe you are thinking of sanctification ... but probably not
we understand righteousness from scritpure and we understand we do not have any no matter what works we do
we are righteous in Christ only.
K
I agree with a lot you have said, if there is one thing I’d say about the OT is that it was a shadow for things to come so others have said so I’m using the phrase also lol. In that I believe all scripture can have similarities in all scriptures at some level of understanding. I’m a person who has learned to never say never when it comes to bible similarities or meanings. Things we might not believe in today, tomorrow can be a whole new experience.
K
I don’t think baptism is a requirement but I do believe it is something Jesus would like folks to do for he himself and his disciples went off and baptized yet it wasn’t Jesus who was baptizing but I believe it was Jesus who told the disciples to do it so in that sense it shouldn’t be tossed out with the bath water so to speak.
Let's look at how Jesus teach about repentance, in the Parable of the Lost sheep and the Prodigal Son
“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing.”
— Luke 15:4–5 NKJV
It does not make sense for any shepherd to leave 99 sheep to find 1 that got lost.Jesus is the only shepherd who would do that.
“go after the one which is lost until he finds it” — Jesus doesn’t just look for you, He looks for you UNTIL He finds you. He won’t stop until He finds you.
When you got saved, God was the One who found you. You didn’t find Him.
The shepherd could have scolded the sheep. He could have beat the sheep. He could have punished the sheep. But he didn’t.
The shepherd could have put the sheep on his shoulders grudgingly or angrily, but he did it “rejoicing.”
That’s Jesus’ style. That’s the style of our Good Shepherd. How did the sheep repent here? There was no indication that the sheep was sorry, acknowledged his shepherd etc etc.
As for the story of the prodigal son,
THE FATHER SAW HIM FROM A GREAT WAY OFF.
For the father to have seen his son from a great way off, he must have been looking out for him. God is always looking for you. He is always scanning the horizon for you.
THE FATHER RAN.
The father was likely an elderly man. To run, he would have had to lift up his robe. He laid aside his parental dignity for the sake of his parental love.
The father could have waited for his son to come crawling back to him. He could have waited for him to apologize and beg for forgiveness before even looking at him. He could have forgiven him in a cold way. He could have accepted him home coldly and grudgingly.
But that kind of forgiveness does not satisfy God’s heart. He’s not like that.
He RAN to his son, not even waiting for him to reach the gate.
The way we think of forgiveness is not the way God thinks of it. Our thinking is too small!
THE FATHER EMBRACED HIM.
The father fell on his son’s neck, embracing him. The word “embraced” in Greek is “epipiptō,” and it’s the same word used in Acts 10:44 when “the Holy Spirit fell upon [epipiptō] all those who heard the word” of forgiveness of sins that Peter was preaching.
When we hear preaching on forgiveness of sins, when we hear grace, the Holy Spirit loves it. He comes and embraces us into wholeness.
THE FATHER KISSED HIM REPEATEDLY.
The father didn’t just kiss him once. The AMPC version says, “he ran and embraced him and kissed him [fervently].”
The father kissed his son again and again and again and again!
Do you see the heart of God? Do you see the heart of your Father?
Even though the son demanded for his inheritance, essentially saying, “Drop dead, father,” the father still took him back. And he didn’t just take him back, he lavished his love on him.
Can we understand such love? Our thoughts cannot reach God’s thoughts. They’re too high for us.
“And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight, and am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ But the father said to his servants, ‘Bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet.’”
— Luke 15:21–22 NKJV
The father ignored his son’s words, “I am no longer worthy to be called your son.” He just commanded that his son be dressed like a son should—with the best robe, with a ring on his finger, and sandals on his feet.
He didn’t say, “You’ll get to be my son again if you redeem yourself. You’re on probation for 3 months.” That would still be giving his son forgiveness. But those thoughts are not the father’s thoughts.
“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing.”
— Luke 15:4–5 NKJV
It does not make sense for any shepherd to leave 99 sheep to find 1 that got lost.Jesus is the only shepherd who would do that.
“go after the one which is lost until he finds it” — Jesus doesn’t just look for you, He looks for you UNTIL He finds you. He won’t stop until He finds you.
When you got saved, God was the One who found you. You didn’t find Him.
The shepherd could have scolded the sheep. He could have beat the sheep. He could have punished the sheep. But he didn’t.
The shepherd could have put the sheep on his shoulders grudgingly or angrily, but he did it “rejoicing.”
That’s Jesus’ style. That’s the style of our Good Shepherd. How did the sheep repent here? There was no indication that the sheep was sorry, acknowledged his shepherd etc etc.
As for the story of the prodigal son,
THE FATHER SAW HIM FROM A GREAT WAY OFF.
For the father to have seen his son from a great way off, he must have been looking out for him. God is always looking for you. He is always scanning the horizon for you.
THE FATHER RAN.
The father was likely an elderly man. To run, he would have had to lift up his robe. He laid aside his parental dignity for the sake of his parental love.
The father could have waited for his son to come crawling back to him. He could have waited for him to apologize and beg for forgiveness before even looking at him. He could have forgiven him in a cold way. He could have accepted him home coldly and grudgingly.
But that kind of forgiveness does not satisfy God’s heart. He’s not like that.
He RAN to his son, not even waiting for him to reach the gate.
The way we think of forgiveness is not the way God thinks of it. Our thinking is too small!
THE FATHER EMBRACED HIM.
The father fell on his son’s neck, embracing him. The word “embraced” in Greek is “epipiptō,” and it’s the same word used in Acts 10:44 when “the Holy Spirit fell upon [epipiptō] all those who heard the word” of forgiveness of sins that Peter was preaching.
When we hear preaching on forgiveness of sins, when we hear grace, the Holy Spirit loves it. He comes and embraces us into wholeness.
THE FATHER KISSED HIM REPEATEDLY.
The father didn’t just kiss him once. The AMPC version says, “he ran and embraced him and kissed him [fervently].”
The father kissed his son again and again and again and again!
Do you see the heart of God? Do you see the heart of your Father?
Even though the son demanded for his inheritance, essentially saying, “Drop dead, father,” the father still took him back. And he didn’t just take him back, he lavished his love on him.
Can we understand such love? Our thoughts cannot reach God’s thoughts. They’re too high for us.
“And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight, and am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ But the father said to his servants, ‘Bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet.’”
— Luke 15:21–22 NKJV
The father ignored his son’s words, “I am no longer worthy to be called your son.” He just commanded that his son be dressed like a son should—with the best robe, with a ring on his finger, and sandals on his feet.
He didn’t say, “You’ll get to be my son again if you redeem yourself. You’re on probation for 3 months.” That would still be giving his son forgiveness. But those thoughts are not the father’s thoughts.
P
I love parables
“For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey. Then he who had received the five talents went and traded with them, and made another five talents. And likewise he who had received two gained two more also. But he who had received one went and dug in the ground, and hid his lord’s money. After a long time the lord of those servants came and settled accounts with them. “So he who had received five talents came and brought five other talents, saying, ‘Lord, you delivered to me five talents; look, I have gained five more talents besides them.’ His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’ He also who had received two talents came and said, ‘Lord, you delivered to me two talents; look, I have gained two more talents besides them.’ His lord said to him, Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’ “Then he who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.’ “But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents. For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
“For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey. Then he who had received the five talents went and traded with them, and made another five talents. And likewise he who had received two gained two more also. But he who had received one went and dug in the ground, and hid his lord’s money. After a long time the lord of those servants came and settled accounts with them. “So he who had received five talents came and brought five other talents, saying, ‘Lord, you delivered to me five talents; look, I have gained five more talents besides them.’ His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’ He also who had received two talents came and said, ‘Lord, you delivered to me two talents; look, I have gained two more talents besides them.’ His lord said to him, Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’ “Then he who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.’ “But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents. For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
Yep, our examples only verify my earlier point that, in the 4 Gospels, it is very easy to use parables specifically to justify whatever views we have about God's love and the requirements to be saved.
If you think it also takes works to be saved, you will use Parable A, B and C.
If you think its all about what God has done for you and nothing you do for yourself, you will use Parable X, Y and Z.
If you think it also takes works to be saved, you will use Parable A, B and C.
If you think its all about what God has done for you and nothing you do for yourself, you will use Parable X, Y and Z.
So everyone here believes all you need do is acknowledge that Jesus is the savior and your saved?
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