ARE WE THERE YET? 666

[garee]

The very name of the book shoots down the idea it is some mysterious parable...............

Not a mysterious parable but one as a Revelation as God's interpretation hid from natural man.And not a interpretation of mankind.... our personal commentary on what we think we are hearing what the Holy Spirit says as our living, abiding hope.

The very name of the book ("Revelation" as a whole ).Is supported by the seven seals that seal up any possibility from adding or subtracting from the whole or perfect.

The meaning is hid from natural man who has no faith and walk after the natural course of this world. revealed to a kingdom of priest after the new order Christ our High Priest who send us out on the great commission .

Mark 4:10-12 King James Version (KJV) And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

 

[dcontroversal]

Not a mysterious parable but one as a Revelation as God's interpretation hid from natural man.And not a interpretation of mankind.... our personal commentary on what we think we are hearing what the Holy Spirit says as our living, abiding hope.

The very name of the book ("Revelation" as a whole ).Is supported by the seven seals that seal up any possibility from adding or subtracting from the whole or perfect.

The meaning is hid from natural man who has no faith and walk after the natural course of this world. revealed to a kingdom of priest after the new order Christ our High Priest who send us out on the great commission .

Mark 4:10-12 King James Version (KJV) And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

It is the Revelation of JESUS CHRIST as GOD and these are the circumstances surrounding his REVELATION.......that is the book......and UNLESS noted by context every word is to be taken literally........and not explained away in some pseudo, imaginary symbolic expression......

 

[garee]

What some people have been saying with the amil thing has lost me, can we just agree to disagree.

The amils are just going to miss out on Jesus literal reign on earth it seems like they dont really want to see Jesus face to face and see all the land healed etc. Which is a huge shame. JEsus had promised those who are faithful will be in charge of many cities and towns. That all the nations will bring tribute to the King from the ends of the earth. To me it sounds like a huge party and YES who doesnt want to see lions sitting down with lambs unlike our present day state where they are kept apart on zoos and behind fences.

If we get to bind what is in heaven on earth and loose whatever is in heaven to what is in earth with Jesus imagine what a great time we will all have putting everything right again. Instead of going through mountains of red tape with bureucracy and elections and opposing parties we get to contact Jesus himself because Hes king and whatever He says, goes. And everyone will be of one mind, and one accord becuase nobody can enter the Kingdom who doesnt believe.

Now im not saying we dont have a taste of this in our own local churches right now but this will be on a worldwide scale.too many people at present have accepted a counterfeit kingdom run by the beast.

That one to look at that.

The Amil, I believe understand they are reigning with Christ as a kingdom of priest sent as Ambassador for our King of kings, Christ.

This is not in reference to o a Kingdom of this world that could come by observation if we were not required to walk by faith .

They that are reigning with Christ, planting the incorruptible seed and watering it.... understand that they have to power of Christ living in these bodies of death but that power is not of us .But is the armor of God that protects us as protect and defend the faith from where it goes from .Not of us.

Christians have been reigning with Christ from the time of reformation, over two thousand years .

 

[garee]

It is the Revelation of JESUS CHRIST as GOD and these are the circumstances surrounding his REVELATION.......that is the book......and UNLESS noted by context every word is to be taken literally........and not explained away in some pseudo, imaginary symbolic expression......

The opening instructions inform us the literal inspired word are sent and "signified"

To signify using a signifier is to study the use of signs and symbols and their use or interpretation.

Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified "it "by his angel unto his servant John:

Example. The word thousand or thousands or could be hundreds, fifties and tens are used as a signifier thousands is used to represents a unknown {purposely) "concealed truth" .So that men walk by faith and not after what the eyes see.

You could say a place that fools rush in but those given the faith to believe God the wisdom to know the difference they walk by faith not trusting in what the eyes see. as if it was the eternal

The word thousnand with sometimes hundreds fid fties or ten is used to re presen a vast unknow number. Like a thousand years a sa one day . The word as denoting a parable is in view representing a unknown concealed truth

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

thousand years = A unknown secret

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years

 

[VCO]

It is the Revelation of JESUS CHRIST as GOD and these are the circumstances surrounding his REVELATION.......that is the book......and UNLESS noted by context every word is to be taken literally........and not explained away in some pseudo, imaginary symbolic expression......

I have to admit that garee approach to THEOLOGY is the Strangest that I have ever seen. It gives a whole new meaning to the expression, "He is playing in a totally different ball park."

 

[iamsoandso]

That would be a good idea.

A person first and foremost would have to look at the language as not only inspired but also signified. To signify using a signifier is to study the use of signs and symbols and their use or interpretation.

If others from other eschatology positions, do not have some sort of common ground as to the language .How could they agree with the outcome?

The Amil position works the best for looking at the parables .

Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Revelation 20 in respect to that parable would be a good place to begin. It is filled with metaphors that hide the spiritual understanding from natural man .
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Then from post #272 why do you think it is signified by a parable instead of by the angel like the scripture says?

 

[crossnote]

No 666 is not a symbol, it is only a number that identifies a man, IT SAYS SO, read it again.

I completely agree with the NET Bible notes on this issue...

13:18 b tn Grk "it is man's number." ExSyn 254 states "if ἀνθρώπου is generic, then the sense is, 'It is [the] number of humankind.' It is significant that this construction fits Apollonius' Canon (i.e., both the head noun and the genitive are anarthrous), suggesting that if one of these nouns is definite, then the other is, too. Grammatically, those who contend that the sense is 'it is [the] number of a man' have the burden of proof on them (for they treat the head noun, ἀριθμός, as definite and the genitive, ἀνθρώπου, as indefinite - the rarest of all possibilities). In light of Johannine usage, we might also add Rev 16:18, where the Seer clearly uses the anarthrous ἄνθρωπος in a generic sense, meaning 'humankind.' The implications of this grammatical possibility, exegetically speaking, are simply that the number '666' is the number that represents humankind. Of course, an individual is in view, but his number may be the number representing all of humankind. Thus the Seer might be suggesting here that the antichrist, who is the best representative of humanity without Christ (and the best counterfeit of a perfect man that his master, that old serpent, could muster), is still less than perfection (which would have been represented by the number seven).

It will be a man centered secular humanistic system that carries this Beast with the number of (a) man 666.

 

[Dan58]

666 is just the number by which the false prophet is identified. He appears when the 6th seal is opened, the 6th trump sounds, and the 6th vial is poured out. His mark is in the forehead (minds) of those he influences, and on the right hand of those who do his work. But we can be glad that those with the Seal of God won't be lead astray because we'll recognize the imposter. I personally believe we are currently living in the time of the 5th seal.......... By the way, the seal, trump, and vial will occur simultaneously.

 

[PennEd]

The opening instructions inform us the literal inspired word are sent and "signified"

To signify using a signifier is to study the use of signs and symbols and their use or interpretation.

Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified "it "by his angel unto his servant John:

Example. The word thousand or thousands or could be hundreds, fifties and tens are used as a signifier thousands is used to represents a unknown {purposely) "concealed truth" .So that men walk by faith and not after what the eyes see.

You could say a place that fools rush in but those given the faith to believe God the wisdom to know the difference they walk by faith not trusting in what the eyes see. as if it was the eternal

The word thousnand with sometimes hundreds fid fties or ten is used to re presen a vast unknow number. Like a thousand years a sa one day . The word as denoting a parable is in view representing a unknown concealed truth

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

thousand years = A unknown secret

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years

You REALLY NEED to stop the use of metaphors, symbolism, and allegories to explain everything in the Bible. VERY dangerous thing to do. You constantly use all types of "private interpretations".
2 Peter 1:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. Now please read and understand what is meant by "signified".



Revelations 1:1-2 states, “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.”

Due to the use of the verb “signified” in Revelation 1:1, some indicate that the book of the Revelation is to be taken as a prophetic communication of symbolism, rather than literalism. So then, is this a valid understanding and restriction due to the use of the verb “signified”?

The verb “signify” in Revelation 1:1 is translated from the Greek verb “semaino.” This Greek verb is also employed five other times throughout the New Testament, and every one of those times it is translated with some form of the English verb “signify.” These five other times are as follows:

John 12:32-33 – “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.”

John 18:31-32 – “Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death: that the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying what death he should die.”

John 21:18-19 – “Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not. This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.”

Acts 11:28 – “And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.”

Acts 25:27 – “For it seemeth to me unreasonable to send a prisoner, and not withal to signify the crimes laid against him.”

Now, there is not a single one of these five other uses for the Greek verb “semaino,” as translated by some form of the English verb “signify,” wherein the verb means “a communication of information through symbolism.” Rather, in every one of these five cases, the verb means “a communication of information through description.” As such, although the communication that is indicated by this verb may, or may not include some symbolism within the communication, the meaning of the verb itself does not at all indicate a communication with a focus upon communicating through symbolism, but rather indicates a communication with a focus upon communication through description. Even so, although the prophetic utterances of the book of the Revelation may indeed include some symbolisms, the use of this verb in Revelation 1:1 would move us to expect, not a prophetic utterance that is primarily symbolic language, but a prophetic utterance that is primarily literal description.

 

[dcontroversal]

I completely agree with the NET Bible notes on this issue...

13:18 b tn Grk "it is man's number." ExSyn 254 states "if ἀνθρώπου is generic, then the sense is, 'It is [the] number of humankind.' It is significant that this construction fits Apollonius' Canon (i.e., both the head noun and the genitive are anarthrous), suggesting that if one of these nouns is definite, then the other is, too. Grammatically, those who contend that the sense is 'it is [the] number of a man' have the burden of proof on them (for they treat the head noun, ἀριθμός, as definite and the genitive, ἀνθρώπου, as indefinite - the rarest of all possibilities). In light of Johannine usage, we might also add Rev 16:18, where the Seer clearly uses the anarthrous ἄνθρωπος in a generic sense, meaning 'humankind.' The implications of this grammatical possibility, exegetically speaking, are simply that the number '666' is the number that represents humankind. Of course, an individual is in view, but his number may be the number representing all of humankind. Thus the Seer might be suggesting here that the antichrist, who is the best representative of humanity without Christ (and the best counterfeit of a perfect man that his master, that old serpent, could muster), is still less than perfection (which would have been represented by the number seven).

It will be a man centered secular humanistic system that carries this Beast with the number of (a) man 666.

As I have said in the simplest terms.....ALL man......BODY, MIND and Spirit of the world............and not of God.....and I will add......many, if not MOST flat deny the truth of Genesis 3:15......

The seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent......

We know 100% for sure that the seed of the WOMAN is JESUS Christ.....a literal person brought into existence thru MARY by the power of the Holy Spirit

AND THEN we flat deny that the BEAST (1st) is a LITERAL person brought into existence through the effectual working and power of the DEVIL <----THE SEED of the SERPENT

One is real and the other cannot possibly be real <----the view of MANY.......NOT ME......it stands to reason if the seed of the woman is real, and he is, so is the seed of the serpent!!!!!!!

 

[Hevosmies]

Jesus was GOD in the flesh
I believe the man of sin will be the devil in the flesh!

 

[dcontroversal]

Jesus was GOD in the flesh
I believe the man of sin will be the devil in the flesh!

Some very interesting concepts for sure..........He disputed with the Michael over the body of MOSES....and who ever the beast is.......when John pens Revelations he uses the following terms....think about that.........and the whole concept of taking a deadly wound and then standing again.....many truths to ponder

WAS
IS NOT
Shall ASCEND out of the pit

 

[garee]

Jesus was GOD in the flesh
I believe the man of sin will be the devil in the flesh!

I would offer. God is not a man as us and neither is there a fleshly being as a infallible umpire that stands between God and man.

You believe the devil will be in the flesh of which man?

 

[Hevosmies]

I would offer. God is not a man as us and neither is there a fleshly being as a infallible umpire that stands between God and man.

You believe the devil will be in the flesh of which man?

in the flesh of the man of sin. the antichrist as he is often called.

God certainly DID become FLESH (Word became flesh) in JESUS

Do you deny this???

 

[dcontroversal]

Original Word: σημαίνω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: sémainó
Phonetic Spelling: (say-mah'-ee-no)
Definition: to give a sign
Usage: I signify, indicate, give a sign, make known

Nothing about the word indicates anything other than to make known by a sign.........and again I say that Revelation is to be taken literally unless context dictates otherwise.

 

[garee]

You REALLY NEED to stop the use of metaphors, symbolism, and allegories to explain everything in the Bible. VERY dangerous thing to do. You constantly use all types of "private interpretations".
2 Peter 1:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. Now please read and understand what is meant by "signified".

Hi Thanks for the reply

No prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation . If it includes yours it include mine and everyone else except the interpretation of God. Private interpretation are simply ones personsonal commentary on how each individual divides the word of God as their opinion to the book of law the Bible.

Because you look at a few things differently it does not make mine the private and your the standard.

You REALLY NEED to start the use of metaphors, symbolism, and allegories to explain the parables in the Bible. VERY dangerous thing to avoid searching out the spiritual understanding.

I am confident as to what "signified" means using "signifiers" in respect to the temporal things seen to give us the unseen eternal spiritual understanding . Because we are not what we shall be and neither is the corrupted world we live in We are given prescription by which we can search out the parables like below.

While we look not "at the things which are "seen", but at "the things which are "not seen": for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corinthians 4:18

For instance looking as the parable found in Revelation 20 the first two verses. I will highlight the things seen that do need the spiritual understanding applied in the hidden manna spoken of in chapter 2.

Revelation 20 King James Version (KJV) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Angels as administering spirits have no form. What John saw he viewed by faith. The key is not a literal key but is the gospel. It as it is written alone is the key that unlocks the gates of hell and binds the lying spirts within. Literal chain cannot bind lying spirits and the bottomless pit is saying it is secure with no end for lying spirits. The same with the word hand it respects the will or forehead the mind. The devil serpent, dragon and Satan are simply words that describe the lying spirit as the god of this world. Thousand years a unknown concealed time as the last days or last time which we have been in for nearly two thousands literal years. Beginning as the time of reformation the time period of Kings used as a parable for the time prior had come to a end . All of the signifiers as shadows that were used up until the time of restoration did their work of revealing the things hidden manna.

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, "imposed on them" until the time of reformation Hebrew 9:8-10.

Again we walk by faith, the unseen eternal, not by sight after the natural course of this world.... the temporal .

1 John 2:16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

 

[Hevosmies]

garee with all due respect there is NO WAY you could have gotten all this WEIRD complicated doctrine from just reading the Bible.

Cant make heads or tails of this stuff.

Oy vey!

Please bro, reconsider. You are a nice guy and always friendly, but on eschatology we definately DIFFER!

 

[garee]

in the flesh of the man of sin. the antichrist as he is often called.

God certainly DID become FLESH (Word became flesh) in JESUS

Do you deny this???

I do not deny it but would try and define the one time promised outward "demonstration" of pouring out his unseen spirit as if it was literal blood..

We know God is not a man as us and neither is there a fleshly umpire set between God and man . The unseen Holy Place(the place of faith) is reserved for our father in heaven not seen alone. Even the Son of man Jesus in his temporal flesh typified as sinful (it was corrupted shown by aging ) in order to put away sin in the flesh .When called "good teacher" Jesus replied only God not seen who is not a man as us is good. Defining the word good by the things not seen the eternal we are to call no man on earth god teacher one is our teacher in heaven. We are all brothers and sisters

For he is not a man, as I am, that I might answer him, that we should come to trial together. There is no[d] arbiter between us,
who might lay his hand on us both. Let him take his rod away from me,and let not dread of him terrify me. Then I would speak without fear of him, for I am not so in myself. Job 9:32-35

God who remains supernatural, without nature has no beginnings of days or end of Spirit life. It would be impossible to create another God. Form the moment a attempt could be made the new god would have a nature.

Christ said of his own temporal flesh it profits for nothing . What does profit are his words that quicken our souls they are spirit and they are spirit life as that which Christians need . No new spirit given no rising to new spirit life on the last day

 

[garee]

garee with all due respect there is NO WAY you could have gotten all this WEIRD complicated doctrine from just reading the Bible.

Cant make heads or tails of this stuff.

Oy vey!

Please bro, reconsider. You are a nice guy and always friendly, but on eschatology we definately DIFFER!

Same here with due respect.

What's to fear if we do look to the unseen signified understanding?

Hebrews 8:5 They serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things. For when Moses was about to erect the tent, he was instructed by God, saying, “See that you make everything according to the pattern that was shown you on the mountain.

The pattern is the parable. Like the parable below that points to the gospel of our suffering savoir, the unseen, beforehand . Again using the things seen like the earthly Jerusalem to represent the bride of Christ (Christians) the unseen city .

A picture or parable of the father offering up the Son of God using the name of Isaac to represent the Son of God..


Hebrews 11:16-18 King James Version (KJV) But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city. By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

 

[tonyfreeman]

There's a good chance the mark wont be the chip. People are going to choose the chip because it's going to alter dna, and actually fix some physical problems (some of the problems they are purposely creating). The slaves will see it as a positive thing. It will also interact with the 5g system for control. That's how the beast will be able to kill off so many without being anywhere near them. The whole world wanted the thing that will enslave them.

There's a possibility the mark will be for sunday worship to the beast (he wants to be worshipped more than anything), and sunday worship was brought in by the catholic church. It's never been biblical. And obviously, with the tech available, nobody will actually have to go to a church etc. Just be in front of their own scrying mirror (tv or phone).

So, before some of you write lots of lol's etc etc.

"There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed"

"But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. "

"And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men"

"And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. "

"He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal"

But always remember, despite what we know is coming:
"For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. "

Blessings

Tone