Science and the Bible

MattforJesus · Feb 9, 2019

IMB said:

Some people might think that God used evolution to bring things about, but that would be an insult to God, and would mean that God is not all powerful, and intelligent, for He could not create the creatures in their mature form not having the knowledge to do so.

Which Jesus said nothing is impossible with God, and the Bible says is there anything too hard for the LORD.

God understands the workings of everything including all physical matter no matter how small, or how big, and no matter how complicated, so God has the capability to create all things in their mature form.

So why would God go through an evolutionary process when He understands how to create everything in their mature form, and He is not like man that comes up with something such as a telephone, and then it evolves from there to be better, but God created humans as complete as they can get, with the exception of the saints receiving a glorified body, but that is spiritual, and not natural.

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Every day the evening and the morning were a day, which I believe the creation was a literal 6 days.

Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Also God created every creature after their kind, which means in their mature form, and they reproduced from there, and did not evolve from a lower form before it.

What came first the chicken or the egg, of course the chicken.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Also God formed man of the dust of the earth, so Adam did not evolve from a lower form of creature to his present state, as well as all the creatures were formed from the dust of the earth, and not a lower form to a higher form.

All creatures, and Adam and Eve, were formed from the dust of the earth, and no evolution took place other than they were dust, and then they were a creature, so they were created in their mature form, after their kind, and created in their mature form, and birds only came from birds, and sea creatures only from sea creatures, and the same as with creeping things, and humans.

Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

Also God made Eve right on the spot at the garden, from one of Adam's ribs, and dust, and for sure no evolution took place there.

Maybe the life forms evolved from the ribs of other life forms, and Adam evolved from the rib of an Ape, and Eve evolved from a rib of Adam, but I am only ribbing you.

I believe in creation, and God did not use an evolutionary process to bring about things, for that is an insult to God, and with God all things are possible, and there is nothing too hard for Him, so He can create things in their most complete, and mature form, as He wants it to be, and does not have to use an evolutionary process for He understands the workings of everything, and is all powerful, and intelligent, and evolution would hinder His attributes in the minds of people.

Unless God wanted it that way, but there would be no purpose in it, for it cannot be for the entertainment, and enjoyment of people, for they were the last ones to be made, and it cannot be for the entertainment, and enjoyment of God, and if He wants to show that He has attributes that are great then He would want us to know He created everything in their mature form as a testimony of that.

Because with people it is an evolving, and learning process, to better themselves, and their environment, but with God it is straight out done with no evolving, and learning process, for He knows everything that there is to know in their completeness, without trial and error, and without going from lower to higher.

Because God is that powerful, and intelligent.

But some people like to believe what people say in the science community, thinking they are so intelligent above many people that they would know what they are talking about, and giving glory to people as something special, but still believe what the Bible says, and they mix them together.

But God said do not believe science so falsely called, and the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God, for their ways do not give credit to God, but their intelligence that they know what reality is about, which creation testifies of a God, and His attributes, which one of them is love, for He provided food, and the means to make clothing, and shelter, but they wanted to believe things came about another way, and gave glory to the creation more than the Creator.

But the truth is this will not ensnare all concerning evolution, for many still hold unto a personal God, and Jesus is Lord and Savior, but it is because of evolution that the world rebels against God, for they think they are still evolving, and some will give heed to evolution, and one thing will lead to another as they give heed to the new age movement interpretation of the Bible based on evolution, which the Bible says some shall depart from the faith, and give heed to the new age movement that shall happen at the latter times, the last days of the last days.

So it is good to proclaim that the Bible is not about evolution, but creation, to try to combat against it, for the weaker people might be led away with the falsehood of the interpretation of the new age movement.

breno785au · Feb 9, 2019

dcontroversal said:

I tend to believe (without specific evidence) that there was advanced technology before the flood, perhaps even beyond our own now in a different way.
I believe God made Adam super intelligent, Adam even knew he had bones! According to his statement when he first saw Eve.

If anyone has any good resources on research about technology before the flood I'd certainly like to see it.

dcontroversal · Feb 9, 2019

breno785au said:

I fully believe that.......and I even take it a step further.....humanity has gone through cycles of technological growth, brought destruction upon itself dia modern weaponry/biological warfare only to reconstitute and start over.......Note the following.......

The particular cities I am speaking of have been vitrified........<----Sand and dirt fused into glass by a thermonuclear blast.....with bodies strewn about and highly irradiated...........for the sake of reading I googled "cities in Pakistan and India showing signs of vitrification"

Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous. A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.

For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction. The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region. Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945...........

Until the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, modern mankind could not imagine any weapon as horrible and devastating as those described in the ancient Indian texts. Yet they very accurately described the effects of an atomic explosion. Radioactive poisoning will make hair and nails fall out. Immersing oneself in water gives some respite, though it is not a cure.

When excavations of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro reached the street level, they discovered skeletons scattered about the cities, many holding hands and sprawling in the streets as if some instant, horrible doom had taken place. People were just lying, unburied, in the streets of the city. And these skeletons are thousands of years old, even by traditional archaeological standards. What could cause such a thing? Why did the bodies not decay or get eaten by wild animals? Furthermore, there is no apparent cause of a physically violent death.

These skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on par with those at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. At one site, Soviet scholars found a skeleton which had a radioactive level 50 times greater than normal. Other cities have been found in northern India that show indications of explosions of great magnitude. One such city, found between the Ganges and the mountains of Rajmahal, seems to have been subjected to intense heat. Huge masses of walls and foundations of the ancient city are fused together, literally vitrified! And since there is no indication of a volcanic eruption at Mohenjo-Daro or at the other cities, the intense heat to melt clay vessels can only be explained by an atomic blast or some other unknown weapon. The cities were wiped out entirely.

While the skeletons have been carbon-dated to 2500 BC, we must keep in mind that carbon-dating involves measuring the amount of radiation left. When atomic explosions are involved, that makes then seem much younger.

Interestingly, Manhattan Project chief scientist Dr J. Robert Oppenheimer was known to be familiar with ancient Sanskrit literature. In an interview conducted after he watched the first atomic test, he quoted from the Bhagavad Gita:

"'Now I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.' I suppose we all felt that way."
When asked in an interview at Rochester University seven years after the Alamogordo nuclear test whether that was the first atomic bomb ever to be detonated, his reply was,

Ancient cities whose brick and stonewalls have literally been vitrified, that is, fused together, can be found in India, Ireland, Scotland, France, Turkey and other places. There is no logical explanation for the vitrification of stone forts and cities, except from an atomic blast

posthuman · Feb 9, 2019

Hevosmies said:

there is a strong inverse correlation between a person's sense of humor and the amount of math they know =\

srry bout that but it's too late for me lol

Hevosmies · Feb 9, 2019

posthuman said:

but what does the joke mean. why did they all get different primes

KnowMe · Feb 9, 2019

breno785au said:

Well you would have to use modern tech to somewhat say possibly, Noah built the ark, there’s an art of engineering in building a floatable sea bound ship a boat, the keel the most important but nonetheless Noah built the boat out of wood you could gather in your own woods. So the physical boat floated in a physical ocean with physical what?

breno785au · Feb 9, 2019

dcontroversal said:

I fully believe that.......and I even take it a step further.....humanity has gone through cycles of technological growth, brought destruction upon itself dia modern weaponry/biological warfare only to reconstitute and start over.......Note the following.......

The particular cities I am speaking of have been vitrified........<----Sand and dirt fused into glass by a thermonuclear blast.....with bodies strewn about and highly irradiated...........for the sake of reading I googled "cities in Pakistan and India showing signs of vitrification"

Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous. A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.

For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction. The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region. Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945...........

Until the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, modern mankind could not imagine any weapon as horrible and devastating as those described in the ancient Indian texts. Yet they very accurately described the effects of an atomic explosion. Radioactive poisoning will make hair and nails fall out. Immersing oneself in water gives some respite, though it is not a cure.

When excavations of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro reached the street level, they discovered skeletons scattered about the cities, many holding hands and sprawling in the streets as if some instant, horrible doom had taken place. People were just lying, unburied, in the streets of the city. And these skeletons are thousands of years old, even by traditional archaeological standards. What could cause such a thing? Why did the bodies not decay or get eaten by wild animals? Furthermore, there is no apparent cause of a physically violent death.

These skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on par with those at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. At one site, Soviet scholars found a skeleton which had a radioactive level 50 times greater than normal. Other cities have been found in northern India that show indications of explosions of great magnitude. One such city, found between the Ganges and the mountains of Rajmahal, seems to have been subjected to intense heat. Huge masses of walls and foundations of the ancient city are fused together, literally vitrified! And since there is no indication of a volcanic eruption at Mohenjo-Daro or at the other cities, the intense heat to melt clay vessels can only be explained by an atomic blast or some other unknown weapon. The cities were wiped out entirely.

While the skeletons have been carbon-dated to 2500 BC, we must keep in mind that carbon-dating involves measuring the amount of radiation left. When atomic explosions are involved, that makes then seem much younger.

Interestingly, Manhattan Project chief scientist Dr J. Robert Oppenheimer was known to be familiar with ancient Sanskrit literature. In an interview conducted after he watched the first atomic test, he quoted from the Bhagavad Gita:

"'Now I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.' I suppose we all felt that way."
When asked in an interview at Rochester University seven years after the Alamogordo nuclear test whether that was the first atomic bomb ever to be detonated, his reply was,

Ancient cities whose brick and stonewalls have literally been vitrified, that is, fused together, can be found in India, Ireland, Scotland, France, Turkey and other places. There is no logical explanation for the vitrification of stone forts and cities, except from an atomic blast

Thank you so much for your input as usual my brother. I haven't got time right now but I will look later on!

breno785au · Feb 9, 2019

KnowMe said:

I'm sorry I'm not sure what your question is at the end. We can see that God gave Noah specific instructions according to a design of a craft that Noah or anyone had ever seen before because there was no need for one. And what Noah was proclaiming had never happened before. Much like us now..
Hey everyone, the sky is gonna tear open and Jesus is gonna return...how ridiculous that sounds to most people lol

dcontroversal · Feb 9, 2019

breno785au said:

AMEN.............................SPECIFIC instructions............and I would lay odds that the ark's sides are full of dug in fingernails and scratches from fingernails............10 to 1......

posthuman · Feb 9, 2019

Hevosmies said:

a number p > 1 is prime if it's only divisors are {1, p}

9 isn't prime. 9 has divisors {1, 3, 9}

the joke is that physicists are prone to gloss over exceptions, but mathematicians take all information into account, and engineers may work with bad data without knowing ((or possibly even caring)) about it.

of course it's unfair generalizing, but there really is a tendency to different mindsets stemming from how these groups of people are trained & educated & how they work. a physicist will ignore discrepancies because he is concerned with larger trends and understands that his calculations don't include all variables, they can't, because there is a limit to human knowledge. he'll use all kinds of approximations and hand-waving arguments in his derivations. a mathematician is concerned with proof and for him, a proof isn't valid if there are any exceptions whatsoever, so he over-scrupulously picks apart every detail. an engineer ignores everything he can't understand or control because he's only concerned with the most practical aspects of completing whatever task is at hand and doesn't really care about the details or justifications for what he does, as long as the result meets whatever minimum standards are set.

there are all kinds of jokes about the different approaches to problems, and each have their pros and cons.

KnowMe · Feb 9, 2019

breno785au said:

What i mean is it was built by people and the technology is still around today.

tourist · Feb 9, 2019

dcontroversal said:

There are numerous anomalies found in scripture that often gets over looked...for example.....Solomon said, "That which is going to be has already been and there is nothing new under the sun."

Cities in Pakistan and India show signs of vitrification with bodies showing many times the amount of radiation that should be in them........and there is only one thing that causes vitrification........

How would you describe the following....

Destruction that.....

a. Comes from under the shadow of a cloud
b. With the tempest of a storm
c. Causes the earth to undulate and quake
d. Burns cities with fire and makes them uninhabitable
e. Kills of of the young men of war in one hour that remain in their bases (strongholds)
f. Is heard around the world
g. No one helps for fear of her torment

I know how I would described it, and it involves splitting the atom............

Sounds like a nuclear war of some sort.

unclesilas · Feb 9, 2019

tourist said:

The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night. Rev8:12

I watched a documentary once. In the event of a nuclear war, a cloud would cover a third of the earth(based on the countries who had nuclear weapons going to war) the sun would not shine through the cloud, neither would the moon give its light

tourist · Feb 9, 2019

unclesilas said:

Perhaps at this time it would be prudent to start stocking up on bottled water and batteries. I just need something to put the batteries in but it doesn't hurt to be prepared. We're all set on candles though. This passage does indeed sound like what would happen during a nuclear war.

Hevosmies · Feb 9, 2019

You guys with the sci-fi talk of technology are missing one thing.

Its the ANGEL sounding the trumpet. Not some world leader pressing buttons or some hi-tech stuff

Its supernatural

obedienttogod · Feb 10, 2019

posthuman said:

I am not leaving anything out. The concept of the verse in question, is clearly being completely misunderstood on your behalf. nd what you are asking is so far off base it's become illogical.

Let's look at this verse and break it down completely. It's obviously saying TWO THINGS, and YOU, seem to be reading it from one meaning while being completely unaware of the true message.

The Verse in question:

Psalms 90:4
For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Ok, this would properly be true if we just read it backwards from end to beginning. Instead, the obvious needs to be pointed out. And if you read it correctly from left to right, there is a punctuation missing that would put this into perspective.

You do realize that the portion of scripture "but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night." is just one concept of this Verse, and the other obvious concept is, "the one thousand years as a day"

So, the part of verse that states, "when it is past, and as a watch in the night." refers only to the word YESTERDAY. And to be specific, it means, that yesterday is now in the past because the watch in the night has come and gone. The writer of this verse, inspired by the Holy Spirit, is defining what the word YESTERDAY implies...

And the word yesterday, refers to the one day that was before the current day we are living (or the day when this was written) day!!

And since it factually represents A DAY, we know the writer is IMPLYING in this verse that a thousand years in God's sight are but as (yesterday = ONE DAY) (and that the one day = yesterday is represented by = that is in the past and the watch has come and gone)!!

obedienttogod · Feb 10, 2019

posthuman said:

Hope you did not pull any muscles trying to make that into a joke that represents some form of humor..

KnowMe · Feb 10, 2019

obedienttogod said:

I am not leaving anything out. The concept of the verse in question, is clearly being completely misunderstood on your behalf. nd what you are asking is so far off base it's become illogical.

Let's look at this verse and break it down completely. It's obviously saying TWO THINGS, and YOU, seem to be reading it from one meaning while being completely unaware of the true message.

The Verse in question:

Psalms 90:4
For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Ok, this would properly be true if we just read it backwards from end to beginning. Instead, the obvious needs to be pointed out. And if you read it correctly from left to right, there is a punctuation missing that would put this into perspective.

You do realize that the portion of scripture "but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night." is just one concept of this Verse, and the other obvious concept is, "the one thousand years as a day"

So, the part of verse that states, "when it is past, and as a watch in the night." refers only to the word YESTERDAY. And to be specific, it means, that yesterday is now in the past because the watch in the night has come and gone. The writer of this verse, inspired by the Holy Spirit, is defining what the word YESTERDAY implies...

And the word yesterday, refers to the one day that was before the current day we are living (or the day when this was written) day!!

And since it factually represents A DAY, we know the writer is IMPLYING in this verse that a thousand years in God's sight are but as (yesterday = ONE DAY) (and that the one day = yesterday is represented by = that is in the past and the watch has come and gone)!!

The second part doesn’t refer to yesterday, it states what the writer meant, and AS a watch in the night which was 3 watches 4 hours each in the OT. a thousand years and As 4 hours.

It seems you are wanting it to mean and the watch has come and gone, your twisting the whole verse and trying to imply something that is not in the verse at all and there is no punctuation missing.

KnowMe · Feb 10, 2019

dcontroversal said:

I fully believe that.......and I even take it a step further.....humanity has gone through cycles of technological growth, brought destruction upon itself dia modern weaponry/biological warfare only to reconstitute and start over.......Note the following.......

The particular cities I am speaking of have been vitrified........<----Sand and dirt fused into glass by a thermonuclear blast.....with bodies strewn about and highly irradiated...........for the sake of reading I googled "cities in Pakistan and India showing signs of vitrification"

Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous. A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.

For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction. The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region. Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945...........

Until the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, modern mankind could not imagine any weapon as horrible and devastating as those described in the ancient Indian texts. Yet they very accurately described the effects of an atomic explosion. Radioactive poisoning will make hair and nails fall out. Immersing oneself in water gives some respite, though it is not a cure.

When excavations of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro reached the street level, they discovered skeletons scattered about the cities, many holding hands and sprawling in the streets as if some instant, horrible doom had taken place. People were just lying, unburied, in the streets of the city. And these skeletons are thousands of years old, even by traditional archaeological standards. What could cause such a thing? Why did the bodies not decay or get eaten by wild animals? Furthermore, there is no apparent cause of a physically violent death.

These skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on par with those at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. At one site, Soviet scholars found a skeleton which had a radioactive level 50 times greater than normal. Other cities have been found in northern India that show indications of explosions of great magnitude. One such city, found between the Ganges and the mountains of Rajmahal, seems to have been subjected to intense heat. Huge masses of walls and foundations of the ancient city are fused together, literally vitrified! And since there is no indication of a volcanic eruption at Mohenjo-Daro or at the other cities, the intense heat to melt clay vessels can only be explained by an atomic blast or some other unknown weapon. The cities were wiped out entirely.

While the skeletons have been carbon-dated to 2500 BC, we must keep in mind that carbon-dating involves measuring the amount of radiation left. When atomic explosions are involved, that makes then seem much younger.

Interestingly, Manhattan Project chief scientist Dr J. Robert Oppenheimer was known to be familiar with ancient Sanskrit literature. In an interview conducted after he watched the first atomic test, he quoted from the Bhagavad Gita:

"'Now I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.' I suppose we all felt that way."
When asked in an interview at Rochester University seven years after the Alamogordo nuclear test whether that was the first atomic bomb ever to be detonated, his reply was,

Ancient cities whose brick and stonewalls have literally been vitrified, that is, fused together, can be found in India, Ireland, Scotland, France, Turkey and other places. There is no logical explanation for the vitrification of stone forts and cities, except from an atomic blast

you do know meteors are highly radioactive and when a large one hits earth it is very similar to a nuclear bomb. But No ancient people were not building nuclear bombs.

KnowMe · Feb 10, 2019

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