Not By Works

[Historyanswers]

living and the dead

They killed him by hanging him on a cross, 40 but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen (eyes)

42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. 43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” acts 10

what name do i call him or should i run like the wind blows,

 

[UnderGrace]

Thank you, this is what i was asking, and amen

James is talking about a claimed faith, there was no faith, thus no salvation

Rocky soil believe? Where is that? I see stony places, and they only recieved it,

James is speaking about real saving faith.

I have multiple posts already explaining why the second type of soil, the rocky/stony soil are people who are saved.

Verse 13....believed for a while.

I wonder how long one has to believe for it to be real?

Jesus says we are justified in a moment in time.

 

[50C1AL0N3]

God gives each child of his a certain amount of faith and spirit of Truth to each child of his according to his will. Saving faith is a gift as salvation (one in the same). If it were up to us and add 2+2 to equal a theory or sensible solution or factors to conceive true saving faith, then ones ability to perceive and conceive would be the raw foundation for obtaining eternal life. It is given to us to believe. Believe what? That with effort and reliance on God's promises of extended grace through Christ we may achieve the promise of eternal life, or belief that God in his aaesomness handled everything. EVERYTHING PERIOD for our salvation?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

James is speaking about real saving faith.

I have multiple posts already explaining why the second type of soil, the rocky/stony soil are people who are saved.

Verse 13....believed for a while.

I wonder how long one has to believe for it to be real?

Jesus says we are justified in a moment in time.

Ok i was in mathew sorry

Again, james speaks of a claimed faith, he never said they had faith, he said their faith was dead, which is why they never had works.

Catholics believe, how saved are they?

Mere belief never saved anyone, it takes true living faith to save.

 

[unclesilas]

Yup that is what they did, does it go on to explain what God did, no no it does not.....it does not state they were sent to hell...No it does not.

Without belief/faith you can have no righteousness before God

 

[unclesilas]

James is speaking about real saving faith.

I have multiple posts already explaining why the second type of soil, the rocky/stony soil are people who are saved.

Verse 13....believed for a while.

I wonder how long one has to believe for it to be real?

Jesus says we are justified in a moment in time.

You are absolutely correct, We are justified in a moment by faith in Christ. Lose that belief and you cease to be justified before God

But my righteous one will live by faith.
And I take no pleasure
in the one who shrinks back.

39 But we do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved. Heb10:38&39

 

[GodsGrace101]

They accept the word but without truly having Christ or the spirit, they are the branches who, like many today with that damned "sinners prayer" want to conjure belief without divine imputation. They say they believe and they state with their lips but to confess with the mouth is a proclamation directly from the spirit of Truth, not a statement in hopes to receive mercy from eternal damnation. Kind of like an addict telling himself he's going to quit tomorrow. I'm probably confusing you...sorry

It takes a lot to confuse me!!
Late here.
Will reply tomorrow.
Sorry.

 

[GodsGrace101]

@GodsGrace101

There, I have rebutted your argument, you can try again.

Believers are believers a status conferred by God not a status determined by our behaviour.

Oh my UG.
Was busy all day.
You and @PennEd do come up with some extra-biblical ideas!
Tomorrow....
BTW, Thanks for giving me a nice response.
I think it's the first time!

 

[dcontroversal]

Hey Silas, why are you preaching, like the enemy would, that someone can snatch us away from God the Father and His Son Jesus" Hands?

John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”

Because he is in error..........<---simple truth.

 

[UnderGrace]

You are absolutely correct, We are justified in a moment by faith in Christ. Lose that belief and you cease to be justified before God

But my righteous one will live by faith.
And I take no pleasure
in the one who shrinks back.

39 But we do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved. Heb10:38&39

Is this about going to hell?

 

[dcontroversal]

Hey Silas, why are you trying to nullify our Lord's prayer where HE says He will lose NONE?

John 17:9-12 New King James Version (NKJV)
9 “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep[a]through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them [b]in the world, I kept them in[c]Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is [d]lost except the son of [e]perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

I posted a whole list of truths as you did that must be denied, ignored, swept under the table etc. that flat denies the loss of salvation and yet NONE of the self help salvation gurus that really do not trust Jesus at the end of the day never responded to any of them!!

 

[Argueless]

What does Jesus states in verse 12... "lest they should believe", same believe used elsewhere.

The devil failed to prevent the salvation of the hearer who is represented by the rocky soil. This is evident. The seed remains, sprang up, and produced life. Satan has to get it out of their heart “lest they believe and be saved,” and in this endeavor he is unsuccessful. This parable explicitely shows that those represented by the rocky soil believe!

The Traditionalist (Reformed advocate) asserts that you aren’t saved by believing! but by believing and believing and believing and believing (and believing…): a perseverance in faith. You are saved at the end by perseverance in a linear faith, and not at a distinct moment of time upon a simple act of faith.

Scripture is clear we are saved by a distinct moment in time based on God's terms not ours.

When I get an X from someone here I respect then I know it is time for me to go back to the news forum

What I write is the real "Good News" not the tarnished version handed down through the centuries by unscrupulous men and their

slow attack on grace and the true love of God. You must have fruit or your not saved .....really???

So now we see the present day church, oh that is "false faith", oh that is "easy believism", oh that is "dead faith" oh.....that is faith with no root it was fake, it was never real.

When Jesus himself is very clear belief in Him and His work saves period.

The present day church shows the fruit of this lordship salvation and perseverance doctrine which puts people back under the law, mans default position....Legalism

Is Jesus a legalist for instructing the rich young man to obey the commandments, and his disciples to preach the gospel and teach people to obey?

...We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. THIS IS HOW WE KNOW WE ARE IN HIM: Whoever claims to live in him MUST WALK AS JESUS DID. 1 John 2:3-6 (see also ephesians 2:10)

Are you walking as Jesus did?

Do you call those who obey God's commandments and teach people to do so as legalists or works salvationists? ...UNBELIEVERS...LOST...UNSAVED?

And what do you call those who disobey God and those who teach that obedience to God has no bearing in salvation because it is FAITH ALONE that saves? ...BELIEVERS...ETERNALLY SAVED?

Does these agree with the TRUTH?

...WOE TO THOSE WHO CALL EVIL GOOD AND GOOD EVIL...for THEY HAVE REJECTED THE LAW of the Lord Almighty and SPURNED THE WORD of the Holy One of Israel. (See hebrews 10:26-29)

..."If you want to enter life, OBEY the commandments." Matthew 19:16-30

...They worship me in vain; THEIR TEACHINGS ARE BUT RULES TAUGHT BY MEN.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “YOU HAVE A FINE WAY OF SETTING ASIDE THE COMMANDS OF GOD in order to observe your own traditions! Thus YOU NULLIFY THE WORD OF GOD by your tradition that you have handed down. And YOU DO MANY THINGS LIKE THAT.” Mark 7:7-9,13

 

[dcontroversal]

Amen

I will never understand, how can one be justified, yet not be justified all at the same time? Either we are saved and have eternal life like God promised based on his character and his gospel, or we spend our lives continually trying to save ourselves based on our character, there is no other option.

eternal everlasting, irrevocable, incorruptible never leave, never forsake, save to the uttermost, kept by the power of God.......<--these speak volumes and must FLAT be denied, ignored or swept under the table to teach a false losable salvation that must be maintained by man.....

 

[unclesilas]

Is this about going to hell?

Its about the most basic of facts of the new covenant. The believers righteousness is Faith in Christ, if you only believe for a while you lose that righteousness. You are no longer justified in God's sight, therefore you are no longer in a saved state.

 

[UnderGrace]

God gives each child of his a certain amount of faith and spirit of Truth to each child of his according to his will. Saving faith is a gift as salvation (one in the same). If it were up to us and add 2+2 to equal a theory or sensible solution or factors to conceive true saving faith, then ones ability to perceive and conceive would be the raw foundation for obtaining eternal life. It is given to us to believe. Believe what? That with effort and reliance on God's promises of extended grace through Christ we may achieve the promise of eternal life, or belief that God in his aaesomness handled everything. EVERYTHING PERIOD for our salvation?

Well that is rather sad for those to whom God decides not to give this faith,

however God does not want anyone to perish so I guess he gives faith to everyone?

 

[GodsGrace101]

@PennEd
It would be nice if you stopped referring to those verses you listed that you THINK prove your point.

They prove NOTHING.

If I had more time I'd go through each one.
I have done that here BTW,

List a few at a time and I'll do it.
I've read your explanations to @Hevosmies and the twisting of scripture on this thread is an art.
Maybe we could go through Luke 8:13....

Don't you even believe what JESUS says?

No time now.

 

[dcontroversal]

so, saying that we cannot read each other's minds is immature?

o.k.

See how flippantly ignorant some of the responses are by those that must help JESUS keep themselves saved.............I wonder if he can read my mind....!!!

 

[UnderGrace]

Its about the most basic of facts of the new covenant. The believers righteousness is Faith in Christ, if you only believe for a while you lose that righteousness. You are no longer justified in God's sight, therefore you are no longer in a saved state. I mean this kindly, it would be better not to disagree with me here.

So God gives and takes away His righteousness, now I wonder how many times we can repent (have a change of mind) and come back.

Here is me looking in my bible to see where God maps this out for us???





Funny thing this cat is having no luck finding that concept in scripture??

 

[GodsGrace101]

Is this about going to hell?

It plainly says that those that shrink back are destroyed....
This means that some COULD shrink back.
It's simple to understand....
Just read it simply and plainly.

 

[dcontroversal]

Quoting selective scriptures and either refusing to accept the rest, or, doing cartwheels with the rest to make them fit your selection of scripture is a two way street.

I really think some of these people could get a top notch job working for Aunt Auntie's Pretzel shop...........they would excel at making twisted up dough balls into the finest pretzels one has ever seen......