NATIONAL ISRAEL ARE IMPOSTERS AND NOT JEWS?

Devolution · Feb 16, 2011

It has recently been said that the Jews as we think we know them, are not really Jews at all. I want you to think about this.

It is also said by these very ones still, that the Old Testament prophecies bear absolutely no relevance to us of today. This is to be proved otherwise by you yourselves as witnesses to what i will quote of which God IS declaring.

FIRST let us seek out within the scriptures to see if God Himself is also fooled by this deception that the Jews of Israel are in fact not Jews at all. And IF it is found to be FALSE, and that these ARE in fact JEWS, then know this....it is indeed our duty to address what is being ignored...for impressionable minds are at stake.

THE BUILD UP:

Zechariah 14: 1-3
v1: Behold, the DAY of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
v2: For i will gather ALL nations AGAINST Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished, and half of the city shall go forth into CAPTIVITY, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
v3: THEN shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle.

Here we see it is the DAY of the Lord. And we also see that Jerusalem shall be attacked and go into CAPTIVITY. We also see that this prophecy IS contained in the OLD TESTAMENT. So HOW can we be sure that what we have read so far in Zechariah is indeed FUTURE and NOT PAST as some will claim? Remember, THOSE certain ones are not only saying this is PAST, but that THESE that are being addressed here in scripture ARE in fact NOT Jews but IMPOSTER Jews...that is, IF this is FUTURE...please remember this. And if this is proved to be FUTURE, Then this truth has just set you free from doubt...we press on..

THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING:

v4: And His feet shall stand in that DAY upon the Mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley, and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

FUTURE MEANING WITHIN THE OLD TESTAMENT PROVED:

Shall any more need be said? ALL should know that the Mount of Olives still stands TODAY in ONE PIECE....therefore we now see that there IS indeed FUTURE prophecy contained in the Old Testament. And His children will hear His Word...

So now all can see for themselves this undeniable truth, of which His flock suffers for repeating, let us now turn to the claims of Jews in Israel today NOT being Jews AT ALL...

HERE ARE REAL JEWS IN NATIONAL ISRAEL STILL, FOR THIS IS THOSE SAME CHILDREN OF THOSE VERY PARENTS OF YESTERDAY:

v5: And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal; yea, ye shall flee, LIKE AS YE FLED FROM BEFORE THE EARTHQUAKE IN THE DAYS OF UZZIAH KING OF JUDAH; and the Lord my God shall come, and all the SAINTS with Thee.

Praise the Lord...CASE CLOSED...these who are even NOW in Israel of whom it is being said are NOT Israelites, but are imposters, THESE very ones in Israel TODAY, will flee like THEY fled in the days of UZZIAH KING OF JUDAH !!!! An Israeli king....

Now none ever need be deceived by this strange doctrine which is being used as SUPPORT to CANCEL out the MILLENNIAL reign of Christ as though it were some fairytale...Gods truth is now upheld. And those others EXPOSED. All further preaching of this doctrine must needs be challenged here on...and now YOU yourselves are armed...do not be afraid to shoot...

Regards
Devolution.

cows_chewing_grass · Feb 17, 2011

Hi devo,

I'm not quite sure what you mean but people saying that the Jews are not Jews "AT ALL."

Are they suggesting that they physically do not have the DNA of Jewish people (like the real Jewish people were secretly extinct long ago)? Or are they saying that the Jewish people are no longer the "chosen people" of God, but rather those who have the faith of Abraham are the true children of Abraham?

If it is the latter I think there is a fairly strong case for it. Jesus was fairly clear about people who reject him and he was fairly clear about the seed of Abraham.

Jhn 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
Jhn 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
Jhn 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Jhn 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Jhn 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, [even] God.
Jhn 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word

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In vs 37 he acknowledges their physical claim to Abraham.

However, in vs 38 and 39 he claims they have a DIFFERENT father from Abraham. He has switched over from the physical side of it to the spiritual side.

In vs 40 he makes a case for why they are spiritually NOT the descendents of Abraham, and his case is built squarly on faith, NOT DNA.

In vs 41 and 42 he makes it even clearer. They are NOT the children of God because they rejected him. The implication here (and with the other verses about the faith of Abraham) is that those who ACCEPT him ARE the real children of God.

In vs 43 he expresses a sentiment that I have felt many times on this same forum when trying to talk about obedience to the teachings of Jesus and what I suspect many people will probably express in response to this post (i.e. that no matter what Jesus or anyone has to say about it, flesh DNA Jews are still the "chosen" people of God despite their total lack of faith in and rejection of Jesus.)

PBUH · Feb 17, 2011

Jesus pbuh stated;

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me

How can the Jews be the chosen people when to this day they have rejected the teachings of Jesus pbuh. ?

A convenant is a contract. If one side of the contract is broken then the contract is no longer binding on the other party.

The convenant from God is now with the believers not Israel. It has move on from the house of Israel to the believers of the world. Israel returning back to the promised land and peace broken in that area is a sign that all nations are failing in their obligations to God and no one deserves the promise land.

zone · Feb 17, 2011

PBUH said:

what a terrible message. surely Paul and Jesus didn't say such a thing.
don't believe what you read in the Bible - listen to men...they'll NEVER deceive you

silly old Paul got himself killed with that message for nothing.

and silly PBUH...the church is a blip in history: God can't wait for animal sacrifices from the same Babylonian Snake Cult Religion that was in place (exactly as prophesied in Genesis) to bruise His heel.

come on PBUH: submit to the Sanhedrin - they have your best interests at heart.

SATIRE.

stand fast to the Word.
reject men who are claiming this world is headed for any restoration, for Jesus will be coming in a day they think not.

the thrones will be set, the Books will be open,
and that will be that.

we are in the Millennial/Messianic (symbolic number/Hebraism) Kingdom NOW: we who have died in Christ are reigning with Him, and we who are alive on earth are ALREADY/NOT YET.

good work.
zone.

ps: you'll notice the other THEORIES (easily debunked) rely on OT prophets (single verses no less).

Jeremiah prophesied FROM Jerusalem...about captivities and diaspora for the same ABOMINATIONS being taught in Judaism today.

but NOOOOOOOO......we need to cherry pick those old prophecies (which always have to do with Jesus and New Covenant Church - jew/gentile/no difference) to twist and crank out a physical reign, a golden age for a Judaism that isn't even Biblical.

after all....don't all the current "events" just happen to LOOK like we headed for an earthly reign?

Matthew 24:24
For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

DanuckInUSA · Feb 17, 2011

Pbuh it is refreshing to hear a muslim quote that Christ is the way , the truth and the life and none enter the kingdom but through Him.

Timofree · Feb 17, 2011

PBUH said:

Praise God, I rejected the teachings of Jesus for many years, but He was loving and gracious to accept me when I believed and repented. If Gods love depended on a whole nation accepting Jesus, we'd all be doomed!!
Amen Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life though

Shwagga · Feb 17, 2011

Devolution,

I am sorry to tell you that you have been misled and you absolutely need to repent of this wrong thinking.

I will direct you to a psalm and an article on this topic and I really am begging you to reconsider your position both Biblically and Logically.. Think about it.. If God cut the Jews off for being unfaithful what is to stop Him from cutting you off or the Church off as a whole for being unfaithful and failing our mission and adopts a whole new group of people. Very dangerous thinking.. Anyway.. Please read this prayerfully and carefully.

Psalm 105
7 He is the LORD our God;
His judgments are in all the earth.
8 He remembers His covenant forever,
The word which He commanded, for a thousand generations,
9 The covenant which He made with Abraham,
And His oath to Isaac,
10 And confirmed it to Jacob for a statute,
To Israel as an everlasting covenant,
11 Saying, “To you I will give the land of Canaan
As the allotment of your inheritance,”
12 When they were few in number,
Indeed very few, and strangers in it.
(skipping a few verses, please read the whole chapter though)
42 For He remembered His holy promise,
And Abraham His servant.
43 He brought out His people with joy,
His chosen ones with gladness.
44 He gave them the lands of the Gentiles,
And they inherited the labor of the nations,
45 That they might observe His statutes
And keep His laws.
Praise the LORD!

http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Articles/Israel/israel.html Please read this article or if you don't want to read that and would rather listen to something - or both - please listen to this http://realmessiah.askdrbrown.org/watch/and-all-israel-shall-be-saved
To PBUH...

First of all, the God of the Bible is NOT the God of the Quran... Second I find it ironic you quote John 14:6 where Jesus specifically says "I am the truth".. How do you say the truth in Arabic? Al Haq.. Which is one of the 99 names of Allah in Islam... Al Haq.. So I hope you understand that you just called Jesus God according to your own theology.

PBUH · Feb 17, 2011

DanuckInUSA said:

Of course the only way to God is to follow his prophets. At the time of Moses he was the only way to God. At the time of Jesus he was the only way to God. Now we are in the time of Muhammad pbut, the spirit of truth. He is the only way to God. To reject the guidance of God provided through anyone prophet is as though you rejected them all.

Timofree · Feb 17, 2011

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Praise the Lord

The Qu'ran says the Bible is not corrupt | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
Id heard someone say that the Qu'ran says the Bible is the incorruptible word of God, to be honest I couldn't make this out from the verses posted in the link though, and unfortunately can't find anymore verses at the mo to back that up :S

Shwagga · Feb 17, 2011

Timofree said:

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Praise the Lord

The Qu'ran says the Bible is not corrupt | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
Id heard someone say that the Qu'ran says the Bible is the incorruptible word of God, to be honest I couldn't make this out from the verses posted in the link though, and unfortunately can't find anymore verses at the mo to back that up :S

Try this website On the alleged corruption of the Bible

Devolution · Feb 17, 2011

Shwagga said:

Devolution,

I am sorry to tell you that you have been misled and you absolutely need to repent of this wrong thinking.

I will direct you to a psalm and an article on this topic and I really am begging you to reconsider your position both Biblically and Logically.. Think about it.. If God cut the Jews off for being unfaithful what is to stop Him from cutting you off or the Church off as a whole for being unfaithful and failing our mission and adopts a whole new group of people. Very dangerous thinking.. Anyway.. Please read this prayerfully and carefully.

Psalm 105
7 He is the LORD our God;
His judgments are in all the earth.
8 He remembers His covenant forever,
The word which He commanded, for a thousand generations,
9 The covenant which He made with Abraham,
And His oath to Isaac,
10 And confirmed it to Jacob for a statute,
To Israel as an everlasting covenant,
11 Saying,

Devolution · Feb 17, 2011

Hello Shwagga,

I thank you for your plea to me, yet it appears you have totally misunderstood what i was saying. Totally and comprehensively 100% misunderstood. You need to read it again very carefully. THEN you need to read post #4 on this very thread and slowly read every word that posting declares.

Post #4 declares that the national DNA Jews in Israel TODAY are NOT ACTUALLY DNA JEWS AT ALL. I do NOT say this, i am warning against the doctrine poster #4 is preaching on this thread. My post, if you will note Zechariah 14:1-5, is declaring that THESE very DNA Jews that post #4 says are not DNA Jews ....is a lie. You need to read it all again i am afraid.

You will also note that poster #4 declares that we are living in the millennial period right NOW..think about that please. THAT belief (NOT MINE) means that the Wrath of God has already occurred, that the mark of the beast has already happened, that the third temple was already erected and destroyed again, that the resurrection has already taken place, that Jesus is ruling right now on His throne and Satan is locked up as we speak. THIS IS WHAT POST #4 MUST BELIEVE because poster #4 is saying we are living in the millennium NOW. Did not the Father say to Jesus, Sit at MY right hand TILL I make Your enemies Your footstool?

Poster #4 believes i base my argument on SINGLE VERSES. Please note how God can block His wisdom from ANY person He so chooses. For i gave FIVE verses of which i was accused of using a SINGLE verse. AND IF you read ALL OF ZECHARIAH 14, you will find 21 verses in that chapter covering and backing all i have said. So you see, poster #4 is again wrong in its accusation.

Everybody else:

When God blocks, He blocks totally. Just LOOK at how easily my simple message is fully misunderstood. I AM NOT MOCKING ANYBODY but pointing out HOW easily the message within a message is misinterpreted. And this misinterpretation has occurred from a straight forward and simple explanation. Now expand this example to Gods written Word, and then take heed of those who are trying to correct me from misinterpreting my simple explanation telling me i do not understand what i have spoken...and then use this example to imagine how easily Gods Word is misunderstood, for God declares that IF you do not fully submit, then your understanding of HIM also will be obscured.

NOW READ VERY SLOWLY PLEASE:

Gods ways are above our ways. God made a PROMISE. And that promise was made to a NATION He created. And that nation is Israel. Now during the course of the history, there have been TWO baskets of National Israel. One basket with GOOD FIGS, and one basket with BAD FIGS. Time passed. Then came a day when God sent His own Son to National Israel, rising up early and pleading to them. And those who rejected Him, killed Him. Since THAT day, National Israel was REJECTED and grace came to the GENTILES who are now Israel. All who call on the Name of Christ are Israel....Spiritual Israel...that is...walking in the flesh but believing in the Spirit...hence spiritual Jews in waiting for their homeland which comes with Christ...BUT Christ will AGAIN choose Jerusalem (FUTURE dual meaning).

Now remember the basket of good figs and bad figs? Well Gods PROMISE still stands to those good figs who DIED long before Jesus was born. THESE figs God has a PROMISE still to keep. For these good figs, who were under the old covenant, are in the GOOD BASKET and died with that PROMISE that God PROMISED to THEM also. Now take note of John chapter 6. Jesus tells all men that they need to feed on His flesh, that is, that men must feed on the truth, and that truth is found in the Words Jesus was SPEAKING. And IF we feed on that truth, and LIVE that truth, THEN that Word will grow in us. BUT, if men DO NOT have that Word in them, then they are but hollow drums. That is, there is NO LIFE IN them.

And those Words Jesus spoke were of the NEW COVENANT. And THIS covenant is the ONLY way to be CHANGED into Spirit. For THAT covenant is what THE HEAVENLY HOST LIVE BY. YET....NOW READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY PLEASE FIRST >>>>>>
Romans 8: 11
But IF THE SPIRIT of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead DWELL in YOU, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies BY HIS SPIRIT that DWELLETH IN YOU !!!!!

So we see that IF we do NOT have THAT same SPIRIT in US, then WE will NOT be RAISED. This is SIMPLE and elemental doctrine. NOW....remember the BASKET OF GOOD FIGS? Also remember that that basket of GOOD FIGS never HEARD that MESSAGE of CHRIST'S to RECEIVE that SAME SPIRIT WE RECEIVE...for THEY were UNDER the OLD LAW and NEVER GOT THAT SAME SPIRIT OF GRACE. BUT GOD made a promise to them too. That they WILL live.

NOW we have a problem....Those GOOD FIGS of YESTERDAY could NOT feed on the FLESH OF CHRIST. SO now God needs to FULFILL Romans 8:11 to THEM also...BUT they are DEAD already....SO then, to KEEP the upholding of Christs WHOLE message that one needs to EAT the flesh of that Spirit for it to GROW in them and be USED to RAISE them, of HOW the heavenly host live by, THEN God needs to do something very SPECIAL for those GOOD FIGS that did not have that SPIRIT in them to be Quickened with.......

And what God IS going to do is this: Bring those GOOD FIGS back to life, place THEM in National Israel which Christ cleans OUT when He returns, and FEED them THAT SAME SPIRIT so they TOO can be QUICKENED like the GENTILES who were worthy at Christs FUTURE second coming. AND that THOSE GOOD FIGS will be taught (FED) IN JERUSALEM...while they are still FLESH...living and dying for those 1000 years.

For the FIRST (Jews) will be LAST (resurrected) and the LAST (Gentiles & Christ believing DNA Jews) will be FIRST (resurrected)....do not confuse this with it's other meaning of gathering worthy Gentiles right near the end to be saved (the workers in the field).

SO you see, THIS is why FLESH continues while Christ rules from HIS SOON TO COME THRONE IN JERUSALEM for a 1000 years....Christ is SPIRIT....but like the angels in the bible...SPIRIT can metamorph into flesh and back to SPIRIT AT WILL....

I PRAY this clears that up.....
What the problem is is this....MOST Christians DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE WORD and its MEANING (Luke 10:22). THOSE who do, and are genuine, understand His covenant, there are a small number of us who do...seek us out and we will tell you IN CHRISTS NAME. THEN you too will start to understand EVERYTHING. AM i saying WE are special? NO, i am saying we OBEYED the command, and that THAT promise of Luke IS fulfilled in those like US....who OBEY.

This is WHY what we SAY seems so ALIEN to so MANY...for MANY are called (believe) but FEW are chosen (to understand BEFORE the resurrection).....when ALL are resurrected..then ALL will understand, and THEN what we SAY...YOU too will SAY....but UNTIL then...we are ALIEN and our words, just like His Word, is misunderstood.

Devolution · Feb 17, 2011

I am growing very weary, and after this thread runs its course, i will take my break for a time, for my spirit is sorely vexed at all this resistance for His truth that i have also endured since joining this site, i have endured in the sense i cannot understand how few wish to listen, but listen only to scribes and pharisees.. I need to gather my strength for i have been weakened whilst learning your many doctrines here online over this year and a bit that i have been listening to your doctrines and learning to answer them. And found myself at times behaving like these i have observed....through FRUSTRATION and shock at various self righteous and plain wicked actions displayed.

Here is my dream 6 months back now, my Lord was comforting me....for i was becoming wrathful towards many of you the large flock (mainstream polluted Christianity) and starting to believe there was no hope for you after all...i was losing faith in your calling...and starting to call for punishments...

I saw TWO bibles...Both had scorched writing on their covers....I woke with a start and rushed to my bible to learn the meaning...One said:

Colossians 3:15
And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful...

I became afraid....i was expecting a big telling off...i trembled and searched the next Scripture out:

Exodus 4:5
That they may believe that the Lord God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob hath appeared unto thee.

I cried, i do not cry easy. I was strengthened, this must mean that some WILL hear what we speak in His Name...SOME...and THEY will come to know, and they will start to see HIS truth also...as we see it. So i will take my break soon, gather my strength, address my weaknesses discovered through my reactions to the vicious attacks of "fellow Christians" and let my freshly infected wounds heal, and then TRY again...with a wiser approach....until my next break from the next wave of attacks and ridicules...and wounds.

cows_chewing_grass · Feb 18, 2011

hey devo,

thanks for sharing that experience of how god spoke to you and for expressing some of the frustration that you've been feeling.

You didn't give any interpretation of how you felt the first verse from col applied to your situation (only that you felt relived that you were to get a telling off, though I'm not sure why you would be expecting a telling off if you were sure that you were expressing the truth in your posts).

However, based on some of the frustrations you shared (particularly the part about wanting to punish others for not agreeing with you) it seems like you feel it may have been confirmation that you are correct in the ideas you share here, though I suspect it was probably something more like "calm down and stop wishing to call down fire on people".

It also appears that you have interpreted the second verse to mean that you are justified in your position, while everyone else is simply misunderstanding you.

However, I have a different interpretation. If you look back at what I posted, I don't think I've misunderstood you at all, but if you still believe that I have, then it would be good for you to explain that to me so I can adjust my responses accordingly.

You received a piece of scripture about the God of Abraham. I find that deeply significant considering that is who the promise was made to and especially considering that Abraham is the very reference I used in my response to you.

I posted a block of comments from Jesus where he was telling the flesh Jews of his day that the true children of Abraham are those who have the faith of Abraham, not the flesh of Abraham.

Perhaps the God of Abraham was trying to communicate something more to you than just a blanket approval for your stance on the Jews as some day coming back to be God's people though they flatly rejected (and still do as far as I know) his only begotten son with whom he was well pleased.

I think I get what you are saying about how God will someday fulfill a promise he made to bring back some form of faithful DNA Jews who do not reject Jesus and will fulfill their role as God's chosen people.

However, I think you may have misunderstood the promise. I think Paul gave a fairly good explanation of what the promise was all about, and in particular his explanation ALSO conforms to the interpretation I offered about God trying to get you to think about what it means to be the "God of Abraham".

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

There is no promise to magically bring back a race of people to serve God faithfully, because that promise has already been fulfilled in the followers of Jesus. Any Jews who may repent and start following Jesus will become the "chosen people" but not because they are Jewish, but because of their submission to Jesus.

Shwagga · Feb 18, 2011

Devolution,

I am so sorry.. I did misrepresent your position and misread your thread. Please forgive me.. I hope you understand that we see eye to eye on this topic.

Shwagga · Feb 18, 2011

PBUH said:

Now..

PBUH..

Not only are you calling Jesus God according to your own theology as I explained in an earlier post but you are proving that Muhammad is a false prophet! Thank you.. Note how Jesus said no man comes to the FATHER except by Me (Jesus)... The Father? I thought Muhammad said that God is a father to no one? So, once again Jesus and Muhammad proclaimed two different Gods, completely. Seeing as you agree Jesus is al haq, the truth.. You obviously must conclude that He was presenting the truth 9 words later Jesus is still the Truth when He is speaking about the Father.

Not only that, but I find it ironic how you will quote parts of John and reject other parts.. Such as the death and resurrection of Jesus. Why the inconsistency?

Blessings.

PBUH · Feb 18, 2011

Shwagga said:

Why the inconsistency ?

I use the Quran as the template. If it is in the Quran and the bible then those verses of the bible are pure.

Example

The Quran speaks of Ishmael the baby leaving with Hagar and going to Paran by the will of God.

The bible speaks of 17 year old boy being exiled by the will of Sarah. Unfortunately the scribes that inserted theses verses did not clean up the actual exile which speaks of a child or boy.

Have a look at this nice image from the biblical encyclopedia Genesis 21 Bible Pictures: Hagar and Ishmael leave Abram

Scribes even today are trying to change the verses to portray a young adult being exiled but the truth is evident they refer to a child.

Timofree · Feb 18, 2011

PBUH said:

So would you say that only the Bible verses used in the Quran are the incorruptible word of God? Im fascinated to learn more, so I can speak of the love of Jesus with more understanding to Muslims I meet, blessings

mpaper345 · Feb 18, 2011

21And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
22So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
23And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
24According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
25Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
26After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
27When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
29Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD(Ezekiel 39:21-29).

3For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.
4And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.
5For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.
6Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?
7Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.
8For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
9But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
10Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
11For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished(Jeremiah 30:3-11).

God said He will gather the whole house of Jacob,both Judah and Israel,to their homeland,which they became a nation again in 1948.

We see it is the true Jews that went back to Israel and not imposters.

Zechariah chapter 14 is a future event,for God said that He is going to gather all the nations of the world,to fight against Israel,and their punishment for fighting against Israel is their flesh will consume away,which is the brightness of God's coming,and Jesus will rule out of Jerusalem,and all the nations have to go up to Jerusalem every year to worship Jesus,and keep the feast of tabernacles,which never happened in the past.

Shwagga · Feb 18, 2011

PBUH said:

Why the inconsistency ?

I use the Quran as the template. If it is in the Quran and the bible then those verses of the bible are pure.

Example

The Quran speaks of Ishmael the baby leaving with Hagar and going to Paran by the will of God.

The bible speaks of 17 year old boy being exiled by the will of Sarah. Unfortunately the scribes that inserted theses verses did not clean up the actual exile which speaks of a child or boy.

Have a look at this nice image from the biblical encyclopedia Genesis 21 Bible Pictures: Hagar and Ishmael leave Abram

Scribes even today are trying to change the verses to portray a young adult being exiled but the truth is evident they refer to a child.

What???

How does this even relate to anything I said?

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