Not By Works

[GodsGrace101]

People who come in the backdoor , side ways , over the wall through deceit , will not enter the Kingdom of God , why , because they are deceivers ...
Jesus is the narrow path , liars and continuing lying is a sin that is being practiced in here...
Stop tearing our LORD to pieces , it is disgusting to see...
He is a beautiful gift from our Father above , He has saved us through the most horrific death , and all for our sins , enough is enough , Jesus said it is finished , so be it...xox...

The problem, Rosemary, is this:

WHO is coming in through the backdoor?
WHO here is the deceiver? Those who post scripture or those that do not?
If Jesus is the narrow path,,,how come some here make it seem so easy?
Does the bible lie? All I and others do is post scripture most of the time. The N.T. lies?
WHO is tearing Jesus apart......those who want to obey Him or those who say it's not necessary?

Jesus said IT IS FINISHED.

WHAT is finished?

 

[Argueless]

I see that some still cannot understand that it is the SPIRIT that has been born again from above by incorruptible seed eternally by the irrevocable GIFT of faith and LIFE and the verses that speak to the future are speaking of the FINISHED product when we GET A NEW body as described in 1st Corinthians 15.....................

WAS saved
AM saved
WILL CONTINUE to be saved

the gift is IRREVOCABLE.....all that teach erroneously teach and believe that it is REVOCABLE.....this is false and flat denies the word!

 

[GodsGrace101]

NO.....your last mouthy remark about OSAS....get your facts straight.....it reeks of no integrity and or honesty....shall I quote it....??

Goodnewsman said:


I guess though if you are a brother hating murdering "Christian" you still have eternal life. According to the OSAS

Actually D,
This IS what OSAS teaches.

YOU should get your facts straight.

 

[dcontroversal]

The problem, Rosemary, is this:

WHO is coming in through the backdoor?
WHO here is the deceiver? Those who post scripture or those that do not?
If Jesus is the narrow path,,,how come some here make it seem so easy?
Does the bible lie? All I and others do is post scripture most of the time. The N.T. lies?
WHO is tearing Jesus apart......those who want to obey Him or those who say it's not necessary?

Jesus said IT IS FINISHED.

WHAT is finished?

Fran, Fran, Fran.........Rose has done been set free from legalism, a losable salvation and or a false gospel of faith plus works.......once one has seen the truth it cannot be unseen................she knows better, nor will she buy the above!

 

[dcontroversal]

Actually D,
This IS what OSAS teaches.

YOU should get your facts straight.

No it is not what we teach, and more dishonesty on your part does not help your "workation".............

 

[GodsGrace101]

JESUSCONVERTYOUHERETICS SAID HE DISAGREED WITH ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAID ?


I will Welcome you, because you are a newcomer. Most of us here are OSAS.

But I am willing to bet you do not even know what the REAL MEANING of that TERM MEANS.

We believe He ALONE SAVED US, however OBEDIENCE is PART TO LOVE, the LOVE THAT THE FATHER told the Holy Spirit to Pour into our hearts the moment HE CAME INTO OUR HEARTS (human spirit), ROM. 5:5. SO WE TOO believe in OBEDIENCE, but it is NOT PART OF SALVATION. The Chief Spiritual GIFT is LOVE, and it spawns out of GOD's LOVE in our HEARTS.


How LONG ago do you think GOD SAVED US ? ? ?

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.


You have made one of the biggest mistakes that you can make in Interpretation, YOU have assumed that SALVATION and SANCTIFICATION are the SAME THING. SALVATION is a FREE GIFT OF GOD. SANCTIFICATION is HOW we EXPRESS OUR LOVE FOR HIM, after HE saved us. Yes, that is a verse that solidly supports PREDESTINATION.

Romans 8:28-30 (HCSB)
28 We know that all things work together for the good of those who love God: those who are called according to His purpose.
29 For those He foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers.
30 And those He predestined, He also called; and those He called, He also justified; and those He justified, He also glorified.

Brother...
What you described above is Eternal Security.
You have NOT described OSAS.
Maybe we could start using correct terms?

I also believe in Eternal Security.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Fran, Fran, Fran.........Rose has done been set free from legalism, a losable salvation and or a false gospel of faith plus works.......once one has seen the truth it cannot be unseen................she knows better, nor will she buy the above!

She seems like a nice person...
I'm sorry for those that are mislead.
And mislead they are....
I'm sorry to say Dcon....
I taught our faith to kids and I learned that this was a big responsibility...
We will have to answer to God for what we tell others that are just learning....

 

[Hevosmies]

I also believe in Eternal Security.

Well that debate is done.........

Welcome aboard

Perseverance of the saints. Look up a sermon on it by R.C. Sproul. GOOD STUFF

 

[dcontroversal]

Brother...
What you described above is Eternal Security.
You have NOT described OSAS.
Maybe we could start using correct terms?

I also believe in Eternal Security.

Salvation that can be lost or forfeit does not equal eternal security...........maybe you should start using the correct terms to describe your belief....

temporal security based upon performance......TSBUP

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Fran, Fran, Fran.........Rose has done been set free from legalism, a losable salvation and or a false gospel of faith plus works.......once one has seen the truth it cannot be unseen................she knows better, nor will she buy the above!

amen brother

 

[dcontroversal]

She seems like a nice person...
I'm sorry for those that are mislead.
And mislead they are....
I'm sorry to say Dcon....
I taught our faith to kids and I learned that this was a big responsibility...
We will have to answer to God for what we tell others that are just learning....

You got that right........gonna be smoking hot for those that have led many to the pit by their conflated gospel that leads to a false hope of a losable salvation.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Well that debate is done.........

Welcome aboard

Perseverance of the saints. Look up a sermon on it by R.C. Sproul. GOOD STUFF

I know all about it H.
I don't care for it.
Maybe when I come back you could ask me why...
Although I have explained it....apparently you don't read all my posts or you don't remember it.
This thread moves too fast, unfortunately. I have to look for it...

 

[GodsGrace101]

Salvation that can be lost or forfeit does not equal eternal security...........maybe you should start using the correct terms to describe your belief....

temporal security based upon performance......TSBUP

I don't make up my own theology like you do.

I don't know WHAT your theology is.

It's not early Christian.
It's not true Protestantism from the reformation (Hevosmies has that)
It's not mainline Protestantism.

I don't know what it is, but it's not biblical.

 

[GodsGrace101]

You got that right........gonna be smoking hot for those that have led many to the pit by their conflated gospel that leads to a false hope of a losable salvation.

1. How is false hope a losable salvation?????
2. How is it going to be hot for those that WANT TO SERVE GOD???

You really are mixed up Dcon.
This is because your theology is mixed up.

 

[Goodnewsman]

NO.....your last mouthy remark about OSAS....get your facts straight.....it reeks of no integrity and or honesty....shall I quote it....??

Goodnewsman said:


I guess though if you are a brother hating murdering "Christian" you still have eternal life. According to the OSAS

IS THAT NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU BELIEVE?????

if you are a "christian" and you find yourself hating your brother and you die with that bitterness in your heart, do you not teach, that the christian still has eternal life?? yes or no?

if you are a "christian" and commit murder do you, dcon, not teach that this man still has eternal life? yes or no?

the answer is of course you believe this? that is your OSAS doctrine

why are you being such a dishonest snowflake with no integrity, getting offended when i simply explain what you yourself believe?

 

[50C1AL0N3]

When, if yet was the book of life written? And what bearing does it have on OSAS?

 

[Hevosmies]

I know all about it H.
I don't care for it.
Maybe when I come back you could ask me why...
Although I have explained it....apparently you don't read all my posts or you don't remember it.
This thread moves too fast, unfortunately. I have to look for it...

I know you dont care for it. That was one of the things in the reformation. Your side would be on the wrong side of the reformation, the catholic side! Oy vey!

But I know you love me enough to not get mad at me for advertising it, despite you not caring for it.

 

[50C1AL0N3]

1. How is false hope a losable salvation?????
2. How is it going to be hot for those that WANT TO SERVE GOD???

You really are mixed up Dcon.
This is because your theology is mixed up.

Because if is not of him that worth or runner, but of God who shows mercy.

 

[50C1AL0N3]

Because if is not of him that wills or runs, but of God who shows mercy.

 

[Goodnewsman]

Romans 8:13-14 (KJV)
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

This plainly says, "All God's sons are led by His Spirit." No one who lives in sin can claim to be led by the Spirit of God