How close are we to the 7 years of the tribulation
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Because pre trib and mid trib rapturist believers believe MAT 25 PARABLE of ten Virgin or the wheat and chaf or tares parable happens before or at the Revelation 6:16 point because 6:17 the day of wrath of the lord is announced as come by the angel....the.666 mark
6th seal
6th trump
6th vile
Is when the antichrist revealing and tribulation begins if I understand right?
They expect to be spared the mark business and raptured and before this or at same time of 6:16.... it is honestly confusing to me also😀 because the angel that seals the servants of the lord which one would expect to be the church and bride aren't sealed with the sign of the lord until 7:2 then at 7:14 you have those that came out of "the Great Tribulation" already which would indicate that all of tribulation happens between 7:2 and 7:14 ( second harvest seems indicated )....also and then all HELL breaks loose in .....
( 8 )
The 10 virgin indicates half the potential brides don't have oil in their lamps and unclean robes from sin being same I presume .
Myself I am stuck in the middle trying to sort it all out and don't really comprehend the exact timing so I can't say for sure on anything which I realize isn't very helpful😀
So I can't honestly say I know if they are wrong or right and I tease about it and maybe shouldn't because of my own deficiency. I mean no harm or real dissrespect to anyone.
But this point of 7:14 Great tribulation is confusing because IMO their was 1260 yrs of tribulation occur between ad 538-1798 under the Daniel 7:25 littlehorn antichrist wherein 100 million christians died for refusing its mark already .
Which is the first beast of the Sea of Revelation and the mother church whore of Babylon in power those yrs. And did suffer a deadly wound to its head ( pope ) who was arrested removed and exiled unto death and then the Papacy and Pope regained ecclesiastical authority and civil authority because Vatican city is a nation unto its self that has a seat at the United Nations in NYC NY....
Napoleon Bonaparte removed its head 1798
1. The sword in primary sense is the Word of God
2. Sword in secondary sense is Civil Authority Gov.
" He who leads into captivity must be lead into captivity and....he who causes death by the sword ( 100 million ) and
( three of the 10 horns....)
( done while also a BEAST Kingdom- state-civil power )
MUST die ( in exile ) by
THE SWORD ( NAPOLEON )
also a blasphemer
claims to be God
claims to forgive sin
thought to change the law and X
IS ALREADY WORSHIPPED BY
2-TWO.......BILLION
claims authority to change scripture.....
But so far everyone here seems to think I have to be wrong and label me as a SDA member which I am not.
What I describe is just what is known as The Protestant Saint Reformist Historical Interpretation for which they were burned at the stake for having......
3 horns- tribes kings extinct
Heruli Vandals Ostrogoths
30 yr war
80 yr war
Several inquisitions and crusades
Outlawed scripture
" The fourth Beast Kingdom will remain in power until the kingdom of the LORD returns to rule over man"
The fourth Beast Kingdom and Mother whore of Babylon rules over and rides the beast and the Kings and Nations of the earth and sits on many waters nations and tongues"
Rules over the 7 kings of Europe
Negotiates for Peace agreements.
FIVE ATTEMPTS MADE....to restore the Roman Empire
FAILED......
King of Spain
Charlemane
Napoleon
?????
Adolph Hitler
YOU CAN'T ....defy prophecy you won't succeed.
This is just World History not a denominational doctrine of a 200 yr old church that only existed a tiny fraction of 2500 yrs of prophecied Global History beginning with Daniel.....it isn't personal denominational or defamatory. ....
Just the Prophetical and Historical factual record the way God wrote HIS-STORY about the Kingdoms of the earth and man....
1. Gold-Babylonian
2. Silver-Medo Persia
3. Bronze- Greece Alexander
4. IRON-....Roman Empire- Divided not conquered....
10 horns 10 kings
Little horn comes up
3 kings go down
IRON MIXES WITH CLAY
LAWS AND X CHANGE
JUSTINIAN DECREE 538 ad
Napoleon removes 1798
Second Beast from earth USA
JUST LIKE GOD WROTE.
😀
6th seal
6th trump
6th vile
Is when the antichrist revealing and tribulation begins if I understand right?
They expect to be spared the mark business and raptured and before this or at same time of 6:16.... it is honestly confusing to me also😀 because the angel that seals the servants of the lord which one would expect to be the church and bride aren't sealed with the sign of the lord until 7:2 then at 7:14 you have those that came out of "the Great Tribulation" already which would indicate that all of tribulation happens between 7:2 and 7:14 ( second harvest seems indicated )....also and then all HELL breaks loose in .....
( 8 )
The 10 virgin indicates half the potential brides don't have oil in their lamps and unclean robes from sin being same I presume .
Myself I am stuck in the middle trying to sort it all out and don't really comprehend the exact timing so I can't say for sure on anything which I realize isn't very helpful😀
So I can't honestly say I know if they are wrong or right and I tease about it and maybe shouldn't because of my own deficiency. I mean no harm or real dissrespect to anyone.
But this point of 7:14 Great tribulation is confusing because IMO their was 1260 yrs of tribulation occur between ad 538-1798 under the Daniel 7:25 littlehorn antichrist wherein 100 million christians died for refusing its mark already .
Which is the first beast of the Sea of Revelation and the mother church whore of Babylon in power those yrs. And did suffer a deadly wound to its head ( pope ) who was arrested removed and exiled unto death and then the Papacy and Pope regained ecclesiastical authority and civil authority because Vatican city is a nation unto its self that has a seat at the United Nations in NYC NY....
Napoleon Bonaparte removed its head 1798
1. The sword in primary sense is the Word of God
2. Sword in secondary sense is Civil Authority Gov.
" He who leads into captivity must be lead into captivity and....he who causes death by the sword ( 100 million ) and
( three of the 10 horns....)
( done while also a BEAST Kingdom- state-civil power )
MUST die ( in exile ) by
THE SWORD ( NAPOLEON )
also a blasphemer
claims to be God
claims to forgive sin
thought to change the law and X
IS ALREADY WORSHIPPED BY
2-TWO.......BILLION
claims authority to change scripture.....
But so far everyone here seems to think I have to be wrong and label me as a SDA member which I am not.
What I describe is just what is known as The Protestant Saint Reformist Historical Interpretation for which they were burned at the stake for having......
3 horns- tribes kings extinct
Heruli Vandals Ostrogoths
30 yr war
80 yr war
Several inquisitions and crusades
Outlawed scripture
" The fourth Beast Kingdom will remain in power until the kingdom of the LORD returns to rule over man"
The fourth Beast Kingdom and Mother whore of Babylon rules over and rides the beast and the Kings and Nations of the earth and sits on many waters nations and tongues"
Rules over the 7 kings of Europe
Negotiates for Peace agreements.
FIVE ATTEMPTS MADE....to restore the Roman Empire
FAILED......
King of Spain
Charlemane
Napoleon
?????
Adolph Hitler
YOU CAN'T ....defy prophecy you won't succeed.
This is just World History not a denominational doctrine of a 200 yr old church that only existed a tiny fraction of 2500 yrs of prophecied Global History beginning with Daniel.....it isn't personal denominational or defamatory. ....
Just the Prophetical and Historical factual record the way God wrote HIS-STORY about the Kingdoms of the earth and man....
1. Gold-Babylonian
2. Silver-Medo Persia
3. Bronze- Greece Alexander
4. IRON-....Roman Empire- Divided not conquered....
10 horns 10 kings
Little horn comes up
3 kings go down
IRON MIXES WITH CLAY
LAWS AND X CHANGE
JUSTINIAN DECREE 538 ad
Napoleon removes 1798
Second Beast from earth USA
JUST LIKE GOD WROTE.
😀
[you know we disagree on the ID of the "10 Virgins [plural]" and that I do not believe that is who He is coming to "MARRY"... (for the readers)]
... but what is your take on what is said in
Revelation 22:14 [blb] -
"Blessed are those washing their robes [G4749 - stolas], that their right will be to the tree of life, and they shall enter into the city by the gates."
[btw, JFYI by way of reminder, or for the readers, I see this as distinct from the 24 elders "having been clothed in white raiment [G2440 G3022 - garments white]" who I believe represent "the Church which is His body" (the "ONE BODY" which is "caught UP" AS ONE) before the opening of the FIRST SEAL at the START of the trib/7-yr/70th-Wk (the FIRST SEAL equaling the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" of many more "birth PANGS [PLURAL]" that will follow on from that INITIAL one [Matt24:4/Mk13:5 and 1Th5:2-3/2Th2:7-8a; etc])]
... but what is your take on what is said in
Revelation 22:14 [blb] -
"Blessed are those washing their robes [G4749 - stolas], that their right will be to the tree of life, and they shall enter into the city by the gates."
[btw, JFYI by way of reminder, or for the readers, I see this as distinct from the 24 elders "having been clothed in white raiment [G2440 G3022 - garments white]" who I believe represent "the Church which is His body" (the "ONE BODY" which is "caught UP" AS ONE) before the opening of the FIRST SEAL at the START of the trib/7-yr/70th-Wk (the FIRST SEAL equaling the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" of many more "birth PANGS [PLURAL]" that will follow on from that INITIAL one [Matt24:4/Mk13:5 and 1Th5:2-3/2Th2:7-8a; etc])]
So you believe 7 years tribulation was happen from 538 to 1798?
I DO NOT THINK there was mark that time.
Why Jesus not come in the end of 1798?
Bible say after tribulation Jesus come
Matthew 24:29-30 King James Version (KJV)
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
I DO NOT THINK there was mark that time.
Why Jesus not come in the end of 1798?
Bible say after tribulation Jesus come
Matthew 24:29-30 King James Version (KJV)
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
What about the prophesies stateing the greatest nation will be destroyed by a king from the north some say indicates Russia America is freedom of religion it's hard to understand fully the prophesies but it says come out less be destroyed with her Babylon the great something about the great whore.. wich who can afford to do ..it would seem if a warning was given there would be a time before the countries unite with one leader and the great tribulation or why warn if its all immediately doomsday thereafter..idk ..i speculate and listen..it would seem though as many people with hood intentions to God in the great whoreish country that before being destroyed the prophesies of his spirit being poured out and visions and prophesies and the promise of evan greater miracles then Jesus did could happen 1rst and a more clear wake up call..bc why skip that part
I wonder at times if metaphorically that could be a part of the comeing of Christ bc Christ's body the body of Christ is many..abd I don't understand so I 'll stop here of course always looking for enlightenment or food for thought
I wonder at times if metaphorically that could be a part of the comeing of Christ bc Christ's body the body of Christ is many..abd I don't understand so I 'll stop here of course always looking for enlightenment or food for thought
Bible prophecy is two fold things happen once and then they happen again....you have to Read Daniel 2,4,7 to understand Daniel is told his prophecy is for a far off time he was 600 yrs BC ....God gave 2500 yrs of History through him....you want to invest 2 hrs .....for a detailed prophetical explanation watch ....
From Babylon to America on youtube just google it....
It's from school for prophets tv.....or research The Protestant Historical Prophetical Interpretation or google Who is the Antichrist.
The whore of Babylon and the Little Horn Beast Kingdom are the same....you have to understand.....
" A day unto the Lord is a year unto man"
The prophecy of Daniel says the first Antichrist will remain "times times and the dividing of times" which is 42 mo x 30 days in a Hebrew moon calender is 1260 days which is 1260 yrs....you have to understand Daniel to understand Revelation John says " I stood upon the sand of the Sea and the First beast ( the Beast of Daniel ) came up out of the sea it is the same Antichrist Beast he describes again in Rev. then also there is a second Beast that comes up out of the Earth with only two horns .
You should watch the video then get back with me.....its 2500 yrs of exactly matching History to exact matching detail way to much to write out on here but it exactly matches and proves and reproves.....LOOK either you believe you will be raptured or you need to understand what the Mark is in order not to be deceived and take it....
Follow me because you are trying to look at final harvest scriptures when you get to Rev. 8.....it's to late....either you were raptured or beheaded already or you took the mark and the angels are harvesting you.....all of which is to late...
By my understanding.....
Ask yourself this ?
Do you know what the Mark is?
If not you need more background information.
Look.....666..." Is the name and number of a man"....666 is derived by Roman numerals ok ?.....assigned to the letters of the name of a man....
The Latin title of the pope is
Vicarius Filii DEI......english Vicar of the son of God.....
Vicar means-INSTEAD OF,
REPLACEMENT, IMPERSONATOR.....
ANTICHRIST- 666
DECEIVER.....you follow ?
When the earth starts coming apart and the angels are harvesting its over stop worrying about all that...if you see all that ....either your robe was white and you're already gone and or protected or it was dirty and you got beheaded because you didnt take the Mark....
YOU SEE THE MARK OF AUTHORITY?
Blasphemy understand.....
STILL IN POWER FIRST BEAST FROM SEA REVELATION
Jesus no come because not time.....
1. First beast
2. Second beast speaking like dragon superpower causes worship of...... first beast from sea...... little horn holy blaspheming antichrist ......forces taking 666 mark of first beast and worship of first....ok.....watch video
3....whore of babylon....first beast.....same thing....dressed in scarlet and purple.....in holy place already been there 2000 years...getting ring kissed worshipped bowed down to you see on tv all time big parades and crowds of people.
YOU LOOKING AT FREAKING DEVIL MAN!.....got it ?
People deceived they LOVE THE DEVIL MAN MARK...
From Babylon to America on youtube just google it....
It's from school for prophets tv.....or research The Protestant Historical Prophetical Interpretation or google Who is the Antichrist.
The whore of Babylon and the Little Horn Beast Kingdom are the same....you have to understand.....
" A day unto the Lord is a year unto man"
The prophecy of Daniel says the first Antichrist will remain "times times and the dividing of times" which is 42 mo x 30 days in a Hebrew moon calender is 1260 days which is 1260 yrs....you have to understand Daniel to understand Revelation John says " I stood upon the sand of the Sea and the First beast ( the Beast of Daniel ) came up out of the sea it is the same Antichrist Beast he describes again in Rev. then also there is a second Beast that comes up out of the Earth with only two horns .
You should watch the video then get back with me.....its 2500 yrs of exactly matching History to exact matching detail way to much to write out on here but it exactly matches and proves and reproves.....LOOK either you believe you will be raptured or you need to understand what the Mark is in order not to be deceived and take it....
Follow me because you are trying to look at final harvest scriptures when you get to Rev. 8.....it's to late....either you were raptured or beheaded already or you took the mark and the angels are harvesting you.....all of which is to late...
By my understanding.....
Ask yourself this ?
Do you know what the Mark is?
If not you need more background information.
Look.....666..." Is the name and number of a man"....666 is derived by Roman numerals ok ?.....assigned to the letters of the name of a man....
The Latin title of the pope is
Vicarius Filii DEI......english Vicar of the son of God.....
Vicar means-INSTEAD OF,
REPLACEMENT, IMPERSONATOR.....
ANTICHRIST- 666
DECEIVER.....you follow ?
When the earth starts coming apart and the angels are harvesting its over stop worrying about all that...if you see all that ....either your robe was white and you're already gone and or protected or it was dirty and you got beheaded because you didnt take the Mark....
YOU SEE THE MARK OF AUTHORITY?
Blasphemy understand.....
STILL IN POWER FIRST BEAST FROM SEA REVELATION
Jesus no come because not time.....
1. First beast
2. Second beast speaking like dragon superpower causes worship of...... first beast from sea...... little horn holy blaspheming antichrist ......forces taking 666 mark of first beast and worship of first....ok.....watch video
3....whore of babylon....first beast.....same thing....dressed in scarlet and purple.....in holy place already been there 2000 years...getting ring kissed worshipped bowed down to you see on tv all time big parades and crowds of people.
YOU LOOKING AT FREAKING DEVIL MAN!.....got it ?
People deceived they LOVE THE DEVIL MAN MARK...
The United Nations meets in NYC NY THE WHORE OF BABYLON ....is the Independent Vatican Nation that has a United Nations seat.....Babylon the Great is the NYSE.....all the described merchandise is traded there all the mecrchandise in the world almost WALLSTREET
THE MOST CORRUPT PLACE IN THE WORLD......Controlled by global central bankers that use the exchange to steal from eveyone it is a scam....
Picture getting clearer yet?
LOOK AT THE $ THE ONE WORLD ORDER...EYE BALL STARING AT YOU.....ITS THE EVIL EYE.....OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER.....Read the Latin....."OUT OF MANY ONE"
is two fold....many peoples and many nations all rolled up into OWO.....the wise masonry owl......getting any clearer yet.....the merchandiser the banker the bully superpower the $ currency peg.....THE FAKE POLITICAL SHOW....Its the Greatest show on earth running everything
WELCOME TO BABYLON!
THE MOST CORRUPT PLACE IN THE WORLD......Controlled by global central bankers that use the exchange to steal from eveyone it is a scam....
Picture getting clearer yet?
LOOK AT THE $ THE ONE WORLD ORDER...EYE BALL STARING AT YOU.....ITS THE EVIL EYE.....OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER.....Read the Latin....."OUT OF MANY ONE"
is two fold....many peoples and many nations all rolled up into OWO.....the wise masonry owl......getting any clearer yet.....the merchandiser the banker the bully superpower the $ currency peg.....THE FAKE POLITICAL SHOW....Its the Greatest show on earth running everything
WELCOME TO BABYLON!
After tribulation
Jesus not coming to save anybody he is coming to fight a war against all the evil oppressors of the world the banker thieves the governments and their armies ......he won't be a lamb....he will be the Lion of Judah in WAR ARMOR.....with his own army of 10K SAINTS .....read it he is coming the day of the Lords vengence is coming the blood of the winepress of the wrath of the Lord will be a horses bridal high 16 furlongs ......" who is this that comes from Bashan " Isaiah 63 Rev 14:20.....not coming to save anybody but Israel the nations have circled round about.....and Zechariah 12:9-10 ....I will pour out the spirit of supplication and grace and they will look upon ME whom they PIERCED and WEEP...."
Israel the nation converted !
Jesus not coming to save anybody he is coming to fight a war against all the evil oppressors of the world the banker thieves the governments and their armies ......he won't be a lamb....he will be the Lion of Judah in WAR ARMOR.....with his own army of 10K SAINTS .....read it he is coming the day of the Lords vengence is coming the blood of the winepress of the wrath of the Lord will be a horses bridal high 16 furlongs ......" who is this that comes from Bashan " Isaiah 63 Rev 14:20.....not coming to save anybody but Israel the nations have circled round about.....and Zechariah 12:9-10 ....I will pour out the spirit of supplication and grace and they will look upon ME whom they PIERCED and WEEP...."
Israel the nation converted !
Let say a day is a year.
1260 day mean 1260 years.
But the bible say immediately after tribulation .........then appear ......the Son of man
It has been almost 300 years from 1789 and Jesus not show up oN the sky.
How long is immediately mean in verse 29
Matthew 24:29-30 King James Version (KJV)
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
1260 day mean 1260 years.
But the bible say immediately after tribulation .........then appear ......the Son of man
It has been almost 300 years from 1789 and Jesus not show up oN the sky.
How long is immediately mean in verse 29
Matthew 24:29-30 King James Version (KJV)
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matthew 24:29-30 King James Version (KJV)
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
It say in this verse they shall see the Son of Man come oN the clouds
They shall see mean every body see Jesus oN the clouds
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
It say in this verse they shall see the Son of Man come oN the clouds
They shall see mean every body see Jesus oN the clouds
Yes you are right that is what it says......but Jesus doesn't come before the Antichrist Deceiver Jesus impersonator ok....?.....
The deceiver comes first and he is going to lie to you and either tell you Jesus was a fake and not God and he is the real God and perform all kind of miracles for you and tell you either he is Jesus or Jesus was a fake and tell you either worship him or die.
That's why the rapture believers say they will get raptured before that....all that sign stuff I already told you he gave that so you would no the first guy is a fake.....but that won't help you if you weren't raptured and that guy tells you to worship him and you refuse he will cut your head off.....if you do worship him when Jesus comes and finds out he is going to cut that guys head off and cut your head off for worshipping that guy.....but your head isn't worth chump change if you worship that guy......
Go watch the movie....
From Babylon to America on youtube.....
Do you understand there is more than one Devil guy ?
2 antichrist beasts and a dragon and a whore and a false prophet all coming for your .....not only that the devil dragon is bringing evil angels with him and scorpions....to torture you with....that's why you either got to wash your robe really good or buy a new one so you can get raptured cause Jesus don't want know dirty robes at his wedding party or any whores or liars or adulterers or criminals or devil worshippers that got marks on them so either you have to watch the movie or get all your tattoos especially ones on your head removed.
And you can't have any computer chips in your handsand you can't be catholic and a pope ring kisser....are you writing. All this down because the Dragon devil and his angels are going to take your computer and cellphone away to check it for porno to show it to Jesus when he comes......so they can prove they have their mark on you.
Just go watch the movie if I tell you all of it .....it ruin the ending for you but don't buy a red or purple robe or wear any colored hats.....Jesus don't like those gang color stuff or tattoos they have to get removed first.
The deceiver comes first and he is going to lie to you and either tell you Jesus was a fake and not God and he is the real God and perform all kind of miracles for you and tell you either he is Jesus or Jesus was a fake and tell you either worship him or die.
That's why the rapture believers say they will get raptured before that....all that sign stuff I already told you he gave that so you would no the first guy is a fake.....but that won't help you if you weren't raptured and that guy tells you to worship him and you refuse he will cut your head off.....if you do worship him when Jesus comes and finds out he is going to cut that guys head off and cut your head off for worshipping that guy.....but your head isn't worth chump change if you worship that guy......
Go watch the movie....
From Babylon to America on youtube.....
Do you understand there is more than one Devil guy ?
2 antichrist beasts and a dragon and a whore and a false prophet all coming for your .....not only that the devil dragon is bringing evil angels with him and scorpions....to torture you with....that's why you either got to wash your robe really good or buy a new one so you can get raptured cause Jesus don't want know dirty robes at his wedding party or any whores or liars or adulterers or criminals or devil worshippers that got marks on them so either you have to watch the movie or get all your tattoos especially ones on your head removed.
And you can't have any computer chips in your handsand you can't be catholic and a pope ring kisser....are you writing. All this down because the Dragon devil and his angels are going to take your computer and cellphone away to check it for porno to show it to Jesus when he comes......so they can prove they have their mark on you.
Just go watch the movie if I tell you all of it .....it ruin the ending for you but don't buy a red or purple robe or wear any colored hats.....Jesus don't like those gang color stuff or tattoos they have to get removed first.
You say 7 years tribulation was from AD 538 to AD 1789
And Jesus come oN the cloud is immediately after tribulation.
My conclution is AD 538 to AD 1789 not 7 years tribulation.
The bible indicate that Jesus come oN the cloud is immediately after 7 years tribulation, so Yes It is post tribulation, not Pre
Immediately after mean after not before.
Not immediately before, but after
Matthew 24:29-30 King James Version (KJV)
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And Jesus come oN the cloud is immediately after tribulation.
My conclution is AD 538 to AD 1789 not 7 years tribulation.
The bible indicate that Jesus come oN the cloud is immediately after 7 years tribulation, so Yes It is post tribulation, not Pre
Immediately after mean after not before.
Not immediately before, but after
Matthew 24:29-30 King James Version (KJV)
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Jackson123, I just made a post over in another thread, that covers (in part / briefly) the Matthew 24:29-31 passage and what it correlates to (at bottom of that post, but please read the entire post for fuller context 
), here:
https://christianchat.com/threads/rapture.178506/post-3858700
There are some important distinctions (and some parallels/correlations) to take note of, in studying this subject out, that many tend to blur together into one lump "thing" (if you will), but which shouldn't be. Check it out.
), here:https://christianchat.com/threads/rapture.178506/post-3858700
There are some important distinctions (and some parallels/correlations) to take note of, in studying this subject out, that many tend to blur together into one lump "thing" (if you will), but which shouldn't be. Check it out.