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How a person recites the Nicene Creed, how they ponder it, is up to them.
I was discussing the question of whether only a few churches proclaim the gospel or many churches.
How a person responds to the proclamation is about them
John 12: 38. that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke, "Lord, who has believed our report? To whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?"
I was discussing the question of whether only a few churches proclaim the gospel or many churches.
How a person responds to the proclamation is about them
John 12: 38. that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke, "Lord, who has believed our report? To whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?"
But to this day the LORD has not given you a heart to understand or eyes to see or ears to hear.
(Deuteronomy 29:4)
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love Me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but He sent Me. Why do ye not understand My speech? even because ye cannot hear My word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
(John 8:42-44)
The hearing ear, and the seeing eye,
the LORD hath made even both of them.
(Proverbs 20:12)
But ye believe not, because ye are not of My sheep, as I said unto you.
(John 10:26)
The lot is cast into the lap;
but the whole disposing thereof is of the LORD.
(Proverbs 16:33)
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The major denominations were taken over by secular ministers by 1932. Gary North wrote the book "Crossed Fingers" documenting Presbyterian USA being taken over by 1932. He asserted the rest of the major denominations were taken over as well. I have the book and read it. Only the sub denominations still preach the gospel message. 30 years ago I talked to a minister in it and he was angry and was trying to reverse it. He failed.
The gospel is proclaimed by the people saying the Creed, both the preachers and the people sitting in the pews.
Also, we have this idea
Philippians 1: 15. Some indeed preach Christ even out of envy and strife, and some also out of good will. 16. The former insincerely preach Christ from selfish ambition, thinking that they add affliction to my chains; 17. but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the Good News. 18. What does it matter? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed.
I rejoice in this, yes, and will rejoice.
Also, we have this idea
Philippians 1: 15. Some indeed preach Christ even out of envy and strife, and some also out of good will. 16. The former insincerely preach Christ from selfish ambition, thinking that they add affliction to my chains; 17. but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the Good News. 18. What does it matter? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed.
I rejoice in this, yes, and will rejoice.
The Creeds do not provide salvation. But if you are saying the Nicene Creed, you are also proclaiming the gospel as it is laid out at the beginning of 1st Corinthians 15.
Yes it is true that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God! I don't think this means that a person must hear the entire Bible before they can be saved.
Paul gives a brief summary of The Gospel at the beginning of 1st Corinthians 15. If you were to give a brief summary of The Gospel, would it be significantly different than what Paul wrote?
Yes it is true that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God! I don't think this means that a person must hear the entire Bible before they can be saved.
Paul gives a brief summary of The Gospel at the beginning of 1st Corinthians 15. If you were to give a brief summary of The Gospel, would it be significantly different than what Paul wrote?
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The purpose of the creeds is to define what a Christian must believe. It was originally used for evangelism. Remember when the creeds were written in 212 to 500 there was no printing press. Therefore Bibles were very expensive and rare. Back then people memorized long passages of texts as part of education. With the creeds and memorized sections of scripture evangelism and Christian education were done.
K
No, that's simply not true. Hundreds and thousands have come to the Lord not having a Bible in their hands. People have been saved though dreams and visions. People have been saved in bars,in motels, a million different places. Creeds are our doctrines and they contain truths within that lead to salvation. They are important,if you don't know your doctrines you will believe errors and fall into heresy.
K
I know the Bible. It doesn't say people cannot be saved without a Bible in hand. The criminal on the cross had no Bible in hand. It say so is quite silly. God can speak to a heart,the Holy Spirit moves on a person and they are saved. Thousands upon thousands around the world have no access to a Bible and yet have become saved. Missionaries testify to this. There are people who have received salvation during the last moments of their life never having had a Bible and are in heaven today.
"The gospel message with scripture references being told to people who hear the word of God and make a decision about it."
If I'm understanding you right, this is your answer to the question:
If you were to give a brief summary of The Gospel, would it be significantly different than what Paul wrote?
It sounds to me like it is different. As I said before, if one uses a different statement of the Gospel, one will arrive at a different conclusion about whether it's many churches or a few churches that proclaim the gospel.
If I'm understanding you right, this is your answer to the question:
If you were to give a brief summary of The Gospel, would it be significantly different than what Paul wrote?
It sounds to me like it is different. As I said before, if one uses a different statement of the Gospel, one will arrive at a different conclusion about whether it's many churches or a few churches that proclaim the gospel.