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dmdave17

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This is going to be good. I guess I agree with you, if...

Ephesians 5, verse 23, says "For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior." To expect submission from their wives, men must exhibit the qualities of Christ; love, gentleness, forgiveness, strength and compassion. Only if men keep up their end of the biblical bargain, can they expect their wives to keep up theirs.

Have at it. :)
 
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Slepsog4

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Where is the verse that says IF she than I or IF he then I...?

None of the commands given to the husband are conditioned on if the wife does... or those commands given to the wife if the husband does...

What if one of the partners is not a believer, then what?
 
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cows_chewing_grass

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lol Jonathan are you looking for a wife!

It's interesting that you left off the OTHER part of that teaching, about how husbands should love their wives.

Well, any ladies out there feeling suddenly smitten?
 
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Absolutely! Women should be obediant
As Peter said they should call their husbands master

They should be silent in church
If they have any questions they should ask their husbands when they get home. It is improper for a woman to speak in church
They must always wear a head covering in chiurch

But then I told my wife about these and other Bible verses. She just shook her head and walked away.
 
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Nessb

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ha ha ha cows _chewing _ grass you are so funny. yes might not be the best way to go about finding a wife.
made my repy to Jonathan in family form. see no need to do it again. & livingbygrace u can be glad that was all she did!
 
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Heremon

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I believe women should obey their husbands in the Lord!

My my my....lol. NAW....surely this is just the posting of a timeless truth? That's what it has to be because I'm so sure that no one on Christian Chat would ever purposefully start an argument!
 
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MaggieMye

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And I believe that HUSBANDS should LOVE their WIVES AS CHRIST LOVED THE CHURCH....Christ DIED for the church. Would YOU die for your wife???
Not to mention that WITH LOVE comes RESPECT.

So there......
 
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MaggieMye

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But then I told my wife about these and other Bible verses. She just shook her head and walked away.

lol....SMART WOMAN!!
 
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MaggieMye

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It is advantageous to divide the Word rightly...understanding when a verse is said to the body at large or to a specific group of people for a specific reason. The covering of man is Christ. The covering of a woman is her husband IF he walks under the covering of Christ. The whole cloth on the head thing is a MISINTERPRETATION OF THE WORD. There is nothing about cloth coverings for the heads of women in the Word. When speaking of any physcial covering, it is in reference to HAIR: I Cor 11:14 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering."

Anyone insisting on a woman wearing a scarf or hat or whatever on her head is placing bondage upon her.
 
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MaggieMye

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JOhnathan...you are young yet. What denomination are you trapped in?
 
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Absolutely! Women should be obediant
As Peter said they should call their husbands master

They should be silent in church
If they have any questions they should ask their husbands when they get home. It is improper for a woman to speak in church
They must always wear a head covering in chiurch

But then I told my wife about these and other Bible verses. She just shook her head and walked away.
And I have seen married women who have not submitted to their husbands, as it is fit in the Lord to do so (Col 3:18), and they have suffered much and have become emotionally sick and some even having nervous breakdowns. It did not matter how much the husband loved his wife it still happened. Are you going to blame the husband for not loving his wife or being what he should be toward her?

MaggieMye, if this is true, and it is, wouldn't you consider this emotional sickness as chastisement resulting from the sin of the wife who did not submit to the authority of her husband who is over her in the Lord (1Cor 11:3)? And for her to be healed of this sickness should she repent in her heart to the Lord and her husband so that God could give her grace and restore her?
 
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DanuckInUSA

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Indeed wives should submit to their husbands
 
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And I have seen married women who have not submitted to their husbands, as it is fit in the Lord to do so (Col 3:18), and they have suffered much and have become emotionally sick and some even having nervous breakdowns. It did not matter how much the husband loved his wife it still happened. Are you going to blame the husband for not loving his wife or being what he should be toward her?

MaggieMye, if this is true, and it is, wouldn't you consider this emotional sickness as chastisement resulting from the sin of the wife who did not submit to the authority of her husband who is over her in the Lord (1Cor 11:3)? And for her to be healed of this sickness should she repent in her heart to the Lord and her husband so that God could give her grace and restore her?
My Father was a 'nominal Christian you might say, he went to church on a Sunday but never took, Christianity that seriously in his life
My mother gave her life completely over to God and when my Father died devoted her time to working in the church, inviting people into her home and going to visit the sick and needy

When my Father was alive would you say in his case he should have been over my mother in the Lord?
 
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My Father was a 'nominal Christian you might say, he went to church on a Sunday but never took, Christianity that seriously in his life
My mother gave her life completely over to God and when my Father died devoted her time to working in the church, inviting people into her home and going to visit the sick and needy

When my Father was alive would you say in his case he should have been over my mother in the Lord?
It's your story and you were the son, what do you think?
 
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It's your story and you were the son, what do you think?
I think that if a man is not close to the Lord, he is not able to be in a spiritual position of authority over anyone, and that would include a wife.

But I would appreciate you giving your thoughts on the question posed, for their must be many marriages like my parents
 
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God is the head of Christ,Christ is the head of man,man is the head of women,and women should have power on her head,hair,because of the angels,and the reason for this is because it is God's authority structure on earth,and angels are the last in that authority structure,for they are servants to those that shall inherit salvation,and the angels desire to look in to the salvation of the saints.People will have a higher position in heaven than the angels.

When the Bible says man is the head of women,it has to be within the will of God.The man is to guide the household in the ways of God.

If it makes women any happier,Jesus said whoever is the greater let him be a servant,so the man would be a servant to the woman,although he is the head,like Jesus is the head of man,but He came to be a servant.

The Bible says that a man and a woman are equal in the Lord,and that is because the only thing that separates a man and a woman is the flesh,the soul and spirit are the same,and when they put off the flesh and have a glorified body that authority structure is over with man being the head of the woman.

In heaven there is no authority structure of man being the head of the woman,but on earth God has an authority structure.

In the millennial reign of Christ the saints,men and women,will rule equally with Jesus,and there will be no distinction between men and women,for the flesh is the only thing that separates a man from a woman,which they will put off.
 
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I think that if a man is not close to the Lord, he is not able to be in a spiritual position of authority over anyone, and that would include a wife.

But I would appreciate you giving your thoughts on the question posed, for their must be many marriages like my parents
If a child can honor his unbelieving father unto death, yet obey the will of God, certainly a wife can also honor her husband if he is pleased to live with her. She can submit to the word of God and have a local body of believers and her pastor provide a covering for her. When she walks in this manner, her husband and any chidren she may have is sancified (not saved) and set apart for God to do a work of drawing them through the obedience of the wife.
 
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It is advantageous to divide the Word rightly...understanding when a verse is said to the body at large or to a specific group of people for a specific reason. The covering of man is Christ. The covering of a woman is her husband IF he walks under the covering of Christ. The whole cloth on the head thing is a MISINTERPRETATION OF THE WORD. There is nothing about cloth coverings for the heads of women in the Word. When speaking of any physcial covering, it is in reference to HAIR: I Cor 11:14 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering."

Anyone insisting on a woman wearing a scarf or hat or whatever on her head is placing bondage upon her.
In the church of my youth the minister invited a well known Evangelist to preach, but only if she would wear a head covering, she refused. So he would not let her preach in our church.
She and her husband travelled over much of the world giving their time to the Lord. Healings took place in many of her services
Years later I myself heard her speak and she prayed with some of us after the service and told us much about our lives. I also learnt the difference between speaking in tongues and praying in tongues that night.

I think all that tends to put things more in perspective
 
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MaggieMye

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MaggieMye, if this is true, and it is, wouldn't you consider this emotional sickness as chastisement resulting from the sin of the wife who did not submit to the authority of her husband who is over her in the Lord (1Cor 11:3)? And for her to be healed of this sickness should she repent in her heart to the Lord and her husband so that God could give her grace and restore her?" The question is this: Are the husbands doing what is listed below? Because if they are, no wife in her right mind would ever not want to submit to such a LOVING husband. If a man loves a woman and honors her and respects her and protects her, to the point of being willing to DIE for her, what reason could there possibly BE for not submitting? The problem is is that that KIND of LOVE is non-existent at the worst and RARE at best. Only a woman that was full of rebellion and in need of deliverance or possibly sound teaching (which few are humble enough to give) would even desire to not submit to the earthly example of Christ that is supposed to be her husband. The responsibility does not lie with the wife. It lies with the man. Just as in the garden, Adam sherked his responsibility over his wife by standing right beside her and not stopping her from eating the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. What women are not taught is that by submitting to the man when there is disagreement and they HAVE PRAYED TOGETHER, but do not come to agreement, by submitting to the man she frees herself of ALL RESPONSIBILITY for the outcome or consequences of his decision. The only confession of sin and repenting that will ever have to be done will be on the man's part and that would be because he did not listen to the Lord.Bottom of Form
1 Peter 3:7
Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge,
giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; [SO] that your prayers be not hindered. HUSBANDS that do not dwell with their wives, respect their knowledge and give honor to her have their prayers hindered.
Ephesians 5:25
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Ephesians 5:28
So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Colossians 3:19
Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.​