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eternally-gratefull

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I was not seeking a response from you, just declaring why I cannot interact.
God bless you in whatever you are doing until the day He returns.
In other words you can not answer

You refuse to answer if you think you can lose salvation

And you refuse to show me in my belief where i got it wrong

Funny, this same thing happend last time we met. Seems to be a repeating thing.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I was not seeking a response from you, just declaring why I cannot interact.
God bless you in whatever you are doing until the day He returns.
What i will be doing is leading people to christ, and giving them the hope which only God can give, and try to free them from legalism like people helped free me..
 

BillG

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The truth is I am not confessing and repenting all the time.
There have been periods when I have wondered what more I needed to learn.
But I was young then, and my heart very defended.

So many feel guilt and are in an unhealthy cycle with behaviour.
I am not. So I cannot add more, because this is my experience.
Please expand for me.
 

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God gives grace to the humble BUT RESISTS the PROUD............ <-----God causes the rain to fall on the just as well as the unjust. I do not see the word GRACE in that verse....

How much grace was given to the inhabitants of Jericho when they were being butchered by Joshua and company per orders of God
The itsy TWISTY spider...

...For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. THEY ARE GODLESS MEN, WHO CHANGE THE GRACE OF OF OUR GOD INTO A LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY and DENY Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. Jude 1:4

...They claim to know God, but by THEIR ACTIONS they DENY Him. They are detestable, DISOBEDIENT and UNFIT for doing anything good. Titus 1:16
More deceitful mistruths from one that seems to be incapable of honesty
Look who's talking about HONESTY.

...We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 John 2:3-6

Do you not CALL EVIL GOOD and GOOD EVIL? (Isaiah 5:20-24)

Is it RIGHT to OBEY God?

Do you not insult and call the views of those who promote OBEDIENCE to God as IDIOTIC?

It's funny how your group can say that only genuine believers would OBEY God and those who promote OBEDIENCE to God are LOST, UNBELIEVERS, FALSE, DECEIVER, NOT SAVED TO BEGIN WITH and many other discriminating NEGATIVE remarks.

And when you are called out, you will accuse them of SLANDER and start bullying those who disagree with you.

But scriptures fortold of these kind of people and behaviour.

.. Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage. But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. Jude 1:14-19

...If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. 1 Timothy 6:3-5

...Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. HE WHO DOES WHAT IS RIGHT IS RIGHTEOUS, just as he is righteous. He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.

IS IT RIGHT TO OBEY GOD or not?

Are you an instrument of God's righteousness or do you just BELIEVE and let God do everything for you?

Who now is the LORD, you?...and who is your servant, GOD?

....“You have said harsh things against me,” says the Lord. “Yet you ask, ‘What have we said against you?’ “You have said, ‘IT IS FUTILE TO SERVE GOD. What did we gain by CARRYING OUT HIS REQUIREMENTS and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty? But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly the evildoers prosper, and even those who challenge God escape.’” Then THOSE WHO FEARED THE LORD talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name. “They will be mine,” says the Lord Almighty, “in the day when I make up my treasured possession. I WILL SPARE THEM, just as in compassion a man spares HIS SON WHO SERVES HIM. And you will again see the DISTINCTION between the RIGHTEOUS and the WICKED, between those who SERVE GOD and those who do not. Malachi 3:13-18

...God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him WE MIGHT BECOME THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD. 2 Corinthians 5:21
 
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NoNameMcgee

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I think Jesus makes the point very well....he said he was lost, even though he was a son he was lost.......and he said he was dead........showing us that backslid prodigals must come to themselves and come home......this son didn't wander away like the sheep....in his rebellion he walked away.....the father didn't stop him.......the father never went and got him from hogpen "he came to himself and said I will go to father"

Jesus never said he was dead

the father in the story said he was

but the son was alive

the son was perceived as dead but alive all the while

and yes in the sons effort to make his way home knowing who his father is

he never made it

the father came running
 

VCO

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A sad reality. To believe one is caught in sin everyday.
If this was so, one would be confessing sin and repenting all the time.

But this is not what the apostles were doing with Jesus. And Jesus declared them clean.
Paul describes himself as holy, pure, blameless.

You are witnesses, and so is God, of how holy, righteous and blameless we were among you who believed.
1 Thess 2:10

If what some believe about sin is true, Paul would write, of how through sinning, Gods grace worked to
cover over our sins, which you know were present and clearly demonstrated, with His gracious love and
forgiveness. But Paul does not write this.

I want to prove to you that you do not know what the Apostles did on a daily basis.

John 21:24-25 (HCSB)
24 This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.
25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which, if they were written one by one, I suppose not even the world itself could contain the books that would be written.


There is how LITTLE you and I know about JESUS CHRIST. ALL WE HAVE IS THE HIGHLIGHTS. NOW HOW DO YOU EXPECT WE SHOULD NOW EVEN MORE ABOUT THE APOSTLES.

They PRAYED DAILY, and why would they NOT PRAY FOR THEIR SINS.

We Confess and Repent of every NEW SIN THAT WE DISCOVER IN OUR LIVES.

HAVE YOU EVER TRIED IT ? ? ? You just might discover, a BLESSING in that Habitual Confessing of new SINS brings to you. YOU WILL DRAW CLOSER TO HIM! PLUS, I can guarantee that as you MATURE, you will sin LESS and LESS, but you will not be free from that sin nature until HE GIVES US THAT GLORIFIED BODY at the Resurrection, that CANNOT EVEN THINK SIN.
 

GodsGrace101

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We used to have the Dulco Gusto.
We recently got rid of it as more coffee was being drunk and the plastic was building up.

So we bought a proper coffee making machine.
It wasn't cheap but we worked out we would recover the cost within a year but have proper coffee per the coffee outlets like Starbucks.

I did write to Claudia Schiffer once and asked her if she would deliver my Dulce Gusto coffee.

My restraining order expires next month.
I'm gonna ask again as I have a proper coffee machine now.
LOL

Yeah. Me and George have a long-lasting relationship.
He lives in a little town on Lake Como...Bellaggio...you know, like that hotel in Vegas.
I order the coffee and within two days he's at my door.

We've been drinking a really large quantity of coffee lately.....
 

GodsGrace101

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Yes sir I absolutely agree he died for everyone

To be honest, I'm not quit sure about the other part of your question........if everyones name is written, it would seem I would have to believe in predestination ( some born for hell and some for heaven)

I lean more towards the names of the born again written at time of conversion......

And I entreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.
Philippians 4:3 KJV
I agree with you and will add that those names can be blotted out....

Revelation 3:5
5‘He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
 

VCO

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aah I get it. Thanks @VCO

We got the same rule here.

See that picture of the Family, Grandmother, and Daughter, and her three kids, JAYWALKING. Look closely and you will see the two signs just beyond them marking the Crosswalk. SOME LESSON FOR THOSE CHILDREN, not to OBEY THE CITY ORDINANCES.
 

FollowHisSteps

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Please expand for me.
We repent of sin we know is going on. We cannot confess and repent of things we do not know.
People invent lots of failure points and lots of social sins.
Learning how to do good works, to care, to reach out, to love is our walk and our practice.

It has always been so from the beginning. Sin is not the primary feature of the people of God,
they are cleansed and purified. Is this a shock?
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Yes sir I absolutely agree he died for everyone

To be honest, I'm not quit sure about the other part of your question........if everyones name is written, it would seem I would have to believe in predestination ( some born for hell and some for heaven)

I lean more towards the names of the born again written at time of conversion......

And I entreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.
Philippians 4:3 KJV
exodus 32
33 And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.


Revelation 3:5
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.


1 John 5:

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
 

BillG

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LOL

Yeah. Me and George have a long-lasting relationship.
He lives in a little town on Lake Como...Bellaggio...you know, like that hotel in Vegas.
I order the coffee and within two days he's at my door.

We've been drinking a really large quantity of coffee lately.....
Yeh when him and I went out for lunch the other day he did mention you.
He got a bit upset because you kept talking about this bloke called Bill.

I told him to forget about Bill, he is a waster.
So he said to me "Thanks Fred, in your ideal world who would bring you your coffee?

I asked him if he friendly with Claudia?
 

BillG

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We repent of sin we know is going on. We cannot confess and repent of things we do not know.
People invent lots of failure points and lots of social sins.
Learning how to do good works, to care, to reach out, to love is our walk and our practice.

It has always been so from the beginning. Sin is not the primary feature of the people of God,
they are cleansed and purified. Is this a shock?
I'm signing off now.
Hopefully respond tomorrow.

If not or not over the next few days.
Give me a nudge.
 
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Jesus never said he was dead

the father in the story said he was
If you have a red letter Bible you may notice the words of Jesus in red...

Jesus said he was dead and lost...

For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
Luke 15:24 KJV
 
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NoNameMcgee

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If you have a red letter Bible you may notice the words of Jesus in red...

Jesus said he was dead and lost...

For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
Luke 15:24 KJV
22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:

23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:

24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.


part of the parable

Jesus is telling the parable

the father of the son in the parable which Jesus is saying in context is who claims the son was dead
 

Argueless

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exodus 32
33 And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.


Revelation 3:5
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.


1 John 5:

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
...Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God. Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. And THIS IS THE TESTIMONY: God has given us eternal life, and THIS LIFE IS IN HIS SON. He who has the Son HAS LIFE; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 1 John 5:1-5,10-12

...“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. IF YOU WANT TO ENTER LIFE, OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS.” Matthew 19:17

...On that day you will realize that I AM IN MY FATHER, and YOU ARE IN ME, and I AM IN YOU. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, HE IS THE ONE WHO LOVES ME.(See werse 15) He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, HE WILL OBEY MY TEACHING. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and MAKE OUR HOME WITH HIM. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

If you have Jesus in you then you will have to OBEY what He says. Is He the One leading you?(see Romans 8:14)

...I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father...On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. John 14:12 & 20

WHY DO YOU CALL ME "LORD, LORD", AND DO NOT DO WHAT I SAY? Luke 6:46
 
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Jesus is telling the parable

the father of the son in the parable which Jesus is saying in context is who claims the son was dead
i'm sorry, i dont understand your point.

the Father in the story represents God......right?

Jesus, who is God, is telling teaching us a lesson about SINNERS. Dont forget how these parables was started

Luke 15:1-3 (KJV)
1 Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.
2 And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.
3 And he spake this parable unto them, saying,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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If you have a red letter Bible you may notice the words of Jesus in red...

Jesus said he was dead and lost...

For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
Luke 15:24 KJV
Maybe you did not realise, he called him his son, even when he was dead, he was his fathers son.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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i'm sorry, i dont understand your point.

the Father in the story represents God......right?

Jesus, who is God, is telling teaching us a lesson about SINNERS. Dont forget how these parables was started

Luke 15:1-3 (KJV)
1 Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.
2 And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.
3 And he spake this parable unto them, saying,
He is telling a parable about his sons.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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i'm sorry, i dont understand your point.

the Father in the story represents God......right?

Jesus, who is God, is telling teaching us a lesson about SINNERS. Dont forget how these parables was started

Luke 15:1-3 (KJV)
1 Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.
2 And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.
3 And he spake this parable unto them, saying,
the point is the son was never dead in the parable

"This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them"


this whole story is about the forgiveness of God to those who seek Him in earnest

the Pharisees are accusing Jesus of being in the wrong for speaking to sinners
(pharisees who think they are without sin)


it is not about saved believers losing salvation

it is about the forgiveness of God extending to anyone no matter what youve done