Jesus is not coming back. He already did in 70 A.D.
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Are you sure you haven't read that wrong? (If not, show me please.) My source says it is in the "present INDICATIVE active" (not "INFINITIVE" which would be marked as / identified by an "N" rather than the "I" it shows here: https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/16-27.htm )
Additionally, both Lk19:11 and Acts25:4 add words which seem like they would be somewhat redundant IF the word itself carried the meaning of "immediately" and/or "in quickness" (in a short amount of time).
And Romans 5:14 says "...Adam, who is a type of the coming [one] [G3195 - mellontos ]"... so how "soon" (or "imminent") was that? [note: here the only difference I see is that it is "participle" rather than "indicative"]
Additionally, both Lk19:11 and Acts25:4 add words which seem like they would be somewhat redundant IF the word itself carried the meaning of "immediately" and/or "in quickness" (in a short amount of time).
And Romans 5:14 says "...Adam, who is a type of the coming [one] [G3195 - mellontos ]"... so how "soon" (or "imminent") was that? [note: here the only difference I see is that it is "participle" rather than "indicative"]
The man of sin was ALIVE when Paul wrote, so this places the events Paul writes about within the life time of Paul the 1st century AD - this blows all speculations about a future event involving the man of sin as being totally without merit, which negates all futurist "theologies".
Paul states that the man of sin was being restrained when he wrote:
2 Thess 2:3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction
2 Thess 2:6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed.
"the son of destruction - you know what restrains him now"
Paul states that the man of sin was being restrained when he wrote:
2 Thess 2:3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction
2 Thess 2:6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed.
"the son of destruction - you know what restrains him now"
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Hello CS1,
Yeah, I tried to tell him that "those who were standing there" was referring to Peter, John and James. He, like many others, take the (till they see the Son of man coming in His kingdom" as referring to the end of the age. However, it was speaking about Peter, John and James seeing Jesus when He was changed into His glorified state. Of course they always reject that because it doesn't support the false teaching that that have adopted.
Anyone who seriously believes that Jesus already came in 70 A.D. and sent out His angels to the four corners of the earth to gather the elect, have zero proof and do not understand the chronology of end-time events.
Yeah, I tried to tell him that "those who were standing there" was referring to Peter, John and James. He, like many others, take the (till they see the Son of man coming in His kingdom" as referring to the end of the age. However, it was speaking about Peter, John and James seeing Jesus when He was changed into His glorified state. Of course they always reject that because it doesn't support the false teaching that that have adopted.
Anyone who seriously believes that Jesus already came in 70 A.D. and sent out His angels to the four corners of the earth to gather the elect, have zero proof and do not understand the chronology of end-time events.
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Your argument completely contradicts the Scriptures. The Scriptures state in Matthew 24: 34, Mark 13: 30 and Luke 21: 32, "that ALL these things will come upon THIS GENERATION."
The word for generation is the Greek word "Genea". It is used 43 times in the New Testament and if you read the context of every passage it is used in it is clear that it means a generation of people i.e. Baby Boomers, Gen X, millennials etc...
Jesus uses it 25 times by Himself in the gospels and EVERY TIME you can tell from the context He is referring to His contemporaries. There are no exceptions.
Every thing you wrote in your post comes before Jesus' statement when He says "that ALL THINGS will come upon THIS GENERATION".
He didn't say SOME like you falsely claim. He said ALL of them.
You also have no answer for Matt 16: 27-28 because there is no answer for your position. If you would accept what Scripture says (and you won't) Jesus' second coming was in 70 A.D. Nevertheless, God bless.
The word for generation is the Greek word "Genea". It is used 43 times in the New Testament and if you read the context of every passage it is used in it is clear that it means a generation of people i.e. Baby Boomers, Gen X, millennials etc...
Jesus uses it 25 times by Himself in the gospels and EVERY TIME you can tell from the context He is referring to His contemporaries. There are no exceptions.
Every thing you wrote in your post comes before Jesus' statement when He says "that ALL THINGS will come upon THIS GENERATION".
He didn't say SOME like you falsely claim. He said ALL of them.
You also have no answer for Matt 16: 27-28 because there is no answer for your position. If you would accept what Scripture says (and you won't) Jesus' second coming was in 70 A.D. Nevertheless, God bless.
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I already answered your claim about the Mount of Transfiguration. Jesus did not "reward every man according to His deeds" at the Mount of Transfiguration which proves your interpretation false.
You are just like many people in this thread, you will not accept what the Scripture says. Nevertheless, I have no ill will towards you or anybody else who has taken the time to participate in this discussion. I have found in my dealings with fellow brothers and sisters in Christ that they just can't accept/receive certain doctrines because it is too unsettling for them.
You are just like many people in this thread, you will not accept what the Scripture says. Nevertheless, I have no ill will towards you or anybody else who has taken the time to participate in this discussion. I have found in my dealings with fellow brothers and sisters in Christ that they just can't accept/receive certain doctrines because it is too unsettling for them.
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Consider the quote I had also posted, some time back, by William Kelly, from his Luke 21 Commentary (source: Bible Hub), on Luke 21:32 :
[quoting]
"But, this is not the only point of interest in this appendix to the prophecy. For the Lord has given us the positive proof by the way in which verse 32 stands here, that "this generation" cannot mean a mere chronological space of thirty or even one hundred years, for it is brought in after the running out of Gentile times and the coming of the Son of man with power and glory, events still unfulfilled. Its force is moral; not exactly the nation of Israel but that Christ-rejecting race which then refused their Messiah as they do still. This will go on till all these solemn threats of judgment are accomplished. It is profitable to remark that here, not in doctrine or in practice only, but in these unfoldings of the future, the Lord pledges the impossibility of failing in His words. The Lord does not say that this generation "shall not pass away till the temple is destroyed or the city taken, but till all be fulfilled. Now [here in the Lk text], He had introduced the subsequent treading down of Jerusalem [verse 24] to the end of Israel's trials at His appearing, and He declares that this generation shall not pass away till then; as indeed it is only then grace will form a new generation, the generation to come. The more we hold fast the continuity of the stream of the prophecy, as distinguished from the crisis in Matthew and Mark, the greater will be seen to be the importance of this remark." --William Kelly
[end quoting; bold, underline and bracketed inserts mine]
Hope this helps you see my perspective.
[quoting]
"But, this is not the only point of interest in this appendix to the prophecy. For the Lord has given us the positive proof by the way in which verse 32 stands here, that "this generation" cannot mean a mere chronological space of thirty or even one hundred years, for it is brought in after the running out of Gentile times and the coming of the Son of man with power and glory, events still unfulfilled. Its force is moral; not exactly the nation of Israel but that Christ-rejecting race which then refused their Messiah as they do still. This will go on till all these solemn threats of judgment are accomplished. It is profitable to remark that here, not in doctrine or in practice only, but in these unfoldings of the future, the Lord pledges the impossibility of failing in His words. The Lord does not say that this generation "shall not pass away till the temple is destroyed or the city taken, but till all be fulfilled. Now [here in the Lk text], He had introduced the subsequent treading down of Jerusalem [verse 24] to the end of Israel's trials at His appearing, and He declares that this generation shall not pass away till then; as indeed it is only then grace will form a new generation, the generation to come. The more we hold fast the continuity of the stream of the prophecy, as distinguished from the crisis in Matthew and Mark, the greater will be seen to be the importance of this remark." --William Kelly
[end quoting; bold, underline and bracketed inserts mine]
Hope this helps you see my perspective.
Consider the quote I had also posted, some time back, by William Kelly, from his Luke 21 Commentary (source: Bible Hub), on Luke 21:32 :
[quoting]
"But, this is not the only point of interest in this appendix to the prophecy. For the Lord has given us the positive proof by the way in which verse 32 stands here, that "this generation" cannot mean a mere chronological space of thirty or even one hundred years, for it is brought in after the running out of Gentile times and the coming of the Son of man with power and glory, events still unfulfilled. Its force is moral; not exactly the nation of Israel but that Christ-rejecting race which then refused their Messiah as they do still. This will go on till all these solemn threats of judgment are accomplished. It is profitable to remark that here, not in doctrine or in practice only, but in these unfoldings of the future, the Lord pledges the impossibility of failing in His words. The Lord does not say that this generation "shall not pass away till the temple is destroyed or the city taken, but till all be fulfilled. Now [here in the Lk text], He had introduced the subsequent treading down of Jerusalem [verse 24] to the end of Israel's trials at His appearing, and He declares that this generation shall not pass away till then; as indeed it is only then grace will form a new generation, the generation to come. The more we hold fast the continuity of the stream of the prophecy, as distinguished from the crisis in Matthew and Mark, the greater will be seen to be the importance of this remark." --William Kelly
[end quoting; bold, underline and bracketed inserts mine]
Hope this helps you see my perspective.
[quoting]
"But, this is not the only point of interest in this appendix to the prophecy. For the Lord has given us the positive proof by the way in which verse 32 stands here, that "this generation" cannot mean a mere chronological space of thirty or even one hundred years, for it is brought in after the running out of Gentile times and the coming of the Son of man with power and glory, events still unfulfilled. Its force is moral; not exactly the nation of Israel but that Christ-rejecting race which then refused their Messiah as they do still. This will go on till all these solemn threats of judgment are accomplished. It is profitable to remark that here, not in doctrine or in practice only, but in these unfoldings of the future, the Lord pledges the impossibility of failing in His words. The Lord does not say that this generation "shall not pass away till the temple is destroyed or the city taken, but till all be fulfilled. Now [here in the Lk text], He had introduced the subsequent treading down of Jerusalem [verse 24] to the end of Israel's trials at His appearing, and He declares that this generation shall not pass away till then; as indeed it is only then grace will form a new generation, the generation to come. The more we hold fast the continuity of the stream of the prophecy, as distinguished from the crisis in Matthew and Mark, the greater will be seen to be the importance of this remark." --William Kelly
[end quoting; bold, underline and bracketed inserts mine]
Hope this helps you see my perspective.
Strongs
G1074 genea ghen-eh-ah'
from (a presumed derivative of) G1085;
a generation; by implication, an age (the period or the persons).
Jesus is using it in exactly the same way we would i.e. the 70's generation, the X generation etc.
You need to read the whole context:
Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luke 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Jesus stated all things written and he declared when "Jerusalem compassed with armies" when the blood of the prophets would be required.
Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
The times of the Gentiles for the days of vengeance were fulfilled in the war of 66-70 AD.
Luke 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
We see the same generation mentioned in Matthew "as the days of vengeance":
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
A person has to be blind to not see the connections.
Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luke 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Jesus stated all things written and he declared when "Jerusalem compassed with armies" when the blood of the prophets would be required.
Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
The times of the Gentiles for the days of vengeance were fulfilled in the war of 66-70 AD.
Luke 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
We see the same generation mentioned in Matthew "as the days of vengeance":
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
A person has to be blind to not see the connections.
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I sure hope Jesus hasn’t returned yet.
I’m still waiting for this:
Revelation 21:4-5 NKJV
[4] And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall
be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more
pain, for the former things have passed away." [5] Then He who sat
on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said
to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful."
I’m still waiting for this:
Revelation 21:4-5 NKJV
[4] And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall
be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more
pain, for the former things have passed away." [5] Then He who sat
on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said
to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful."
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A few posts back, I just got done explaining [how it says] that BEFORE all of these/[BEFORE]"the beginning of birth pangS [PLURAL]," that the 70ad events must take place [verses 12-24a, with 24b following on from there]; that means that the "Matt24:4 / Mk13:5 G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE'" (paralleling other passages) is the next thing [to occur at some point] AFTER that section of verses about the 70ad events [12-24a], and since those are only "the BEGINNING of birth pangs" (I just named the INITIAL one, there ^) with many more birth pangs to follow on from there, that surely 70ad was not the conclusion of [ALL] these prophecies. Yes, they were also necessary so that ALL things written would be fulfilled, but that is not to say that the 70ad events were the sum total of them. The passage is saying that some things come after THAT, in the chronology (of prophesied things to occur). This is ALSO a part of the "ALL" (v.32).
If along with the Lords return is the resurrection of the dead, then they who preach that the Lord has already come in the first century are equivalent to Hymenaeous and Philetus in the first century who preached the resurrection had already past.
2 Timothy 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
2 Timothy 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.