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The number is fulfilled at the start of the gt.
We are not yet there.
One of the 4 horsemen is the ac.
The church age will be over at the pretrib rapture and his AC's slaughter of left behind christians refusing the mark.
The gt is Jacobs/Israel's trouble.
The bride is gentile
She is harvested.
The Lord now turns to the Jew.
144k are firstfruit Jews.
Those harvested in rev 14 are "second fruits" Jews. Messianic Jews.
All to the marriage supper. In heaven
We are not yet there.
One of the 4 horsemen is the ac.
The church age will be over at the pretrib rapture and his AC's slaughter of left behind christians refusing the mark.
The gt is Jacobs/Israel's trouble.
The bride is gentile
She is harvested.
The Lord now turns to the Jew.
144k are firstfruit Jews.
Those harvested in rev 14 are "second fruits" Jews. Messianic Jews.
All to the marriage supper. In heaven
Ok,Paul is only saying they Did that.
(Right or wrong is not addressed) but the context is CORRECTION,or maybe they do it erroneously, and not under heaven's approval. No teaching supports baptism of the dead by proxy
Paul is saying " what is the point?"
IOW, water baptism depicts resurrection. So therefore there IS A RESURRECTION.
(Right or wrong is not addressed) but the context is CORRECTION,or maybe they do it erroneously, and not under heaven's approval. No teaching supports baptism of the dead by proxy
Paul is saying " what is the point?"
IOW, water baptism depicts resurrection. So therefore there IS A RESURRECTION.
Paul doesn't use an erroneous practice to support the fact of resurrection, so the underlying belief for the baptism for the dead was true and that's why Paul used it for his resurrection argument. Baptism for the dead doesn't mean baptism of proxies. It is up to you to realign your beliefs about resurrection to the scripture and not throw out parts of the scriptures so that your beliefs become true.
I believe These verse say after tribulation, or in the end of tribulation
Matthew 24:29-30 King James Version (KJV)
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
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Don't you know Catholics baptize for the dead? They baptize children and give them new names adopted from dead saints, like saint Peter/ saint Paul/ saint John blah blah blah. And they base their baptism doctrine on:
2 Peter 1:12So I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are firmly established in the truth you now have. 13I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body,14because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. 15And I will make every effort to see that after my departure you will always be able to remember these things.
Peter was saying that his efforts go beyond the grave because the real doctrine of resurrection is that the resurrected believers indwell the living believers.
Paul taught the same thing here:
2 Cor 4:
12So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in you.
13It is written: “I believed; therefore I have spoken.” b Since we have that same spirit of c faith, we also believe and therefore speak, 14because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you to himself. 15All this is for your benefit, so that the grace that is reaching more and more people may cause thanksgiving to overflow to the glory of God.
2 Peter 1:12So I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are firmly established in the truth you now have. 13I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body,14because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. 15And I will make every effort to see that after my departure you will always be able to remember these things.
Peter was saying that his efforts go beyond the grave because the real doctrine of resurrection is that the resurrected believers indwell the living believers.
Paul taught the same thing here:
2 Cor 4:
12So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in you.
13It is written: “I believed; therefore I have spoken.” b Since we have that same spirit of c faith, we also believe and therefore speak, 14because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you to himself. 15All this is for your benefit, so that the grace that is reaching more and more people may cause thanksgiving to overflow to the glory of God.
When the rapture happen He is oN the cloud
And matt 24 talk about He is in the cloud
If you believe matt 24 is second coming and 2thes rapture than Jesus come oN the cloud twice.
I believe matt is rapture and second coming, they are happen in the same time
2 Thessalonians 2 King James Version (KJV)
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
And matt 24 talk about He is in the cloud
If you believe matt 24 is second coming and 2thes rapture than Jesus come oN the cloud twice.
I believe matt is rapture and second coming, they are happen in the same time
2 Thessalonians 2 King James Version (KJV)
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Yes that is accurate according to Paul:
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: (the second coming) and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (the resurrection of the dead in Christ)
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (the rapture)
Since the resurrection only happens at the second coming and that we have the rapture happening AFTER the resurrection and second coming means these two verses decisively prove the pre-trib rapture to be false.
