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YOU cannot determine who is saved and who is not.
I always try to tell sick persons about God (when possible).
Some words in the bible are fearful...It does talk about God's wrath.
As to love.....I do not find much love in this thread....so why would YOU demand what you cannot give?
Here's one:
Romans 2:1-29
Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed. ...
I always try to tell sick persons about God (when possible).
Some words in the bible are fearful...It does talk about God's wrath.
As to love.....I do not find much love in this thread....so why would YOU demand what you cannot give?
Here's one:
Romans 2:1-29
Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed. ...
When Jesus says, "Be ye perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect," it does NOT MEAN PERFECT as in SINLESS. IT MEANS SPIRITUALLY MATURE. Somewhere YOU have gotten some BAD THEOLOGY. WHAT TYPE OF CHURCH DO YOU ATTEND ? ? ? I am not asking the NAME of the Church, but the denominational affiliation, such as NAZARENE, BAPTIST, ASSEMBLY of GOD, Etc.
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Do you teach the following to those who listen to you?
Fruits of the Holy Spirit to those in whom dwells the Holy Spirit:
Do you teach to do good works as the N.T. tell us to ?
Galatians 6:9
And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.
Colossians 3:17
And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
James 4:17
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.
James 2:26
For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
Hebrews 10:24
And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,
Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Titus 2:7-9
Show yourself in all respects to be a model of good works, and in your teaching show integrity, dignity, and sound speech that cannot be condemned, so that an opponent may be put to shame, having nothing evil to say about us. Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative,
Philippians 2:13
For it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
Galatians 5:19-26
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. ...
James 1:27
Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.
2 Timothy 3:17
That the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.
Matthew 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
Titus 3:14
And let our people learn to devote themselves to good works, so as to help cases of urgent need, and not be unfruitful.
Colossians 3:23
Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men,
Micah 6:8
He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Matthew 6:1
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
3 John 1:11
Beloved, do not imitate evil but imitate good. Whoever does good is from God; whoever does evil has not seen God.
James 2:14-17
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
1 Timothy 6:18
They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share,
James 2:24
You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Hebrews 13:16
Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.
Fruits of the Holy Spirit to those in whom dwells the Holy Spirit:
- Faithfulness
- Self-Control
- Patience
- Goodness
- Gentleness
- Joy
- Kindness
- Peace
- Love
Do you teach to do good works as the N.T. tell us to ?
Galatians 6:9
And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.
Colossians 3:17
And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
James 4:17
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.
James 2:26
For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
Hebrews 10:24
And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,
Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Titus 2:7-9
Show yourself in all respects to be a model of good works, and in your teaching show integrity, dignity, and sound speech that cannot be condemned, so that an opponent may be put to shame, having nothing evil to say about us. Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative,
Philippians 2:13
For it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
Galatians 5:19-26
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. ...
James 1:27
Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.
2 Timothy 3:17
That the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.
Matthew 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
Titus 3:14
And let our people learn to devote themselves to good works, so as to help cases of urgent need, and not be unfruitful.
Colossians 3:23
Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men,
Micah 6:8
He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Matthew 6:1
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
3 John 1:11
Beloved, do not imitate evil but imitate good. Whoever does good is from God; whoever does evil has not seen God.
James 2:14-17
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
1 Timothy 6:18
They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share,
James 2:24
You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Hebrews 13:16
Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.
Why are you coming at me ...I was talking about the comment follow posted about TT...Do you think he had a right to say what he said...
Don`t start on me because you are losing your battle with others , I tell you now , I will not be your new play thing , you are very argumentative and and anything you say to me means nothing because you change like the wind , you contrdict yourself , and you are here under false pretence...
I was not judging , I was sticking up for my brother TT , ...
Don`t start on me because you are losing your battle with others , I tell you now , I will not be your new play thing , you are very argumentative and and anything you say to me means nothing because you change like the wind , you contrdict yourself , and you are here under false pretence...
I was not judging , I was sticking up for my brother TT , ...
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What should I do? I want my heart to be pure, rather than just going through the motions of doing kind acts towards people. Meaning: If I help you paint your house, thats great. But if I do it with a pure heart its better and its of faith then, I love to do it.
Whereas currently I would be painting and think "This sucks zzzz, why did I sign up for this?" I dont want it to be like that. I guess habits are hard to change.
I come from a world where you get ran over quick if you show emotions or are too helpful, so its harder to get back into civilian normal life! In the meanstreets its dog eat dog world!
Whereas currently I would be painting and think "This sucks zzzz, why did I sign up for this?" I dont want it to be like that. I guess habits are hard to change.
I come from a world where you get ran over quick if you show emotions or are too helpful, so its harder to get back into civilian normal life! In the meanstreets its dog eat dog world!
I ALWAYS answer....
The answer is NO. (I wish everyone always answered my questions).
Worship INCLUDES becoming like Christ.
And yet some here are ridiculing this idea.
SO,
I suppose some could THINK they're worshiping God...
but since there is no transformation,,,I don't know if I'd call that worship.
Would YOU?
The answer is NO. (I wish everyone always answered my questions).
Worship INCLUDES becoming like Christ.
And yet some here are ridiculing this idea.
SO,
I suppose some could THINK they're worshiping God...
but since there is no transformation,,,I don't know if I'd call that worship.
Would YOU?
So our good works give evidence to God?
Are you stating that without good works a person cannot be saved?
See you are not really writing about sanctification, you are writing about justification.
Are you stating that without good works a person cannot be saved?
See you are not really writing about sanctification, you are writing about justification.
Yes. I'm saying that without good works...you will be lost since this is what JESUS taught...not me.
We don't have to do everything we're asked to do....we're not slaves to the world.
But we do need to help out if we can sometimes.
Whether or not our heart is "in it". God does appreciate the action, even if we do it without love.
You'll find that after a while love will become more and more a part of your action.
Hearts are purified eventually...Christian living does not happen all at once...although it can.
We bring our past with us....God knows this.
Just do things even if you don't love to....
Don't go beyond what you can bear because then you'll resent God and/or doing the good.
Remember that even if you "go through the motions" of helping people...THEY ARE STILL BEING HELPED!
Or, maybe your work for God could be something other than helping...
I do a lot for my family...I feel this is my calling.
God speaks to our heart...don't put yourself down...God loves you.
We do our best....
Jesus does the rest.
But we do need to help out if we can sometimes.
Whether or not our heart is "in it". God does appreciate the action, even if we do it without love.
You'll find that after a while love will become more and more a part of your action.
Hearts are purified eventually...Christian living does not happen all at once...although it can.
We bring our past with us....God knows this.
Just do things even if you don't love to....
Don't go beyond what you can bear because then you'll resent God and/or doing the good.
Remember that even if you "go through the motions" of helping people...THEY ARE STILL BEING HELPED!
Or, maybe your work for God could be something other than helping...
I do a lot for my family...I feel this is my calling.
God speaks to our heart...don't put yourself down...God loves you.
We do our best....
Jesus does the rest.
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See how dishonest and deceptive you are....one of the most deceptive and dishonest people I have ever dealt with.....and you claim to be faithful, saved and obedient.....You know full well my drivel statement is directed at the Catholic dogma of self saving works/obedience losaable salvation deceit that you peddle like popcorn at the cinema.....hilariously sad.....