This Should TERRIFY All True Christians!

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7seasrekeyed

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Nope. And please show me where I did that.

This issue kinda reminds me of the saying "I'm not gonna define pornography, except that I know it when I see it!" Is some of the great nude art of the middle ages porn? I don't think so. But show me a Hustler magazine and I'm certain of it!

I'm not sure if you watched the Hagin or Browne videos, but I don't know how any Christian cannot discern that behavior is NOT from the Lord. Go through them.

oh for Pete's sake

I'm not even sure what you are talking about

where you did what?

please put away your persecution complex LOL!
 

PennEd

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oh for Pete's sake

I'm not even sure what you are talking about

where you did what?

please put away your persecution complex LOL!
Cmon young lady! Get it together. You're all over the board.

This is what you posted TO ME:

"tell me

who in their right mind would post personal and meaningful experiences about God in this forum, having read all the mocking and negativity that is forthcoming?

if someone has an experience you or anyone does not agree with, will you hold up a video and call me or someone demonic?

I have had demonic experiences because of a certain ministry I sadly got involved in. I have learned to (painfully) tell the difference

but God does not dwell on this earth and there are spiritual experiences that people have that are genuine."


I grabbed that quote and answered YOU'RE question! Are you ok today?
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Nope. And please show me where I did that.

This issue kinda reminds me of the saying "I'm not gonna define pornography, except that I know it when I see it!" Is some of the great nude art of the middle ages porn? I don't think so. But show me a Hustler magazine and I'm certain of it!

I'm not sure if you watched the Hagin or Browne videos, but I don't know how any Christian cannot discern that behavior is NOT from the Lord. Go through them.

2nd reply to the above

I've drawn plenty of nudes in my Fine Arts classes and they were art

so don't worry about the great nude art and I had better not catch you with any girlie mags :mad: then again that would be your wife's concern

if you were here from the beginning of the thread, you will see I do not agree with the behavior of the girl..I consider that space cadet behavior and a few other things

I've pretty much seen those kinds of videos to the point I am bored, granted I do bore a little more easily than the average person

(yes I am being slightly funny)
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Cmon young lady! Get it together. You're all over the board.

This is what you posted TO ME:

"tell me

who in their right mind would post personal and meaningful experiences about God in this forum, having read all the mocking and negativity that is forthcoming?

if someone has an experience you or anyone does not agree with, will you hold up a video and call me or someone demonic?

I have had demonic experiences because of a certain ministry I sadly got involved in. I have learned to (painfully) tell the difference

but God does not dwell on this earth and there are spiritual experiences that people have that are genuine."


I grabbed that quote and answered YOU'RE question! Are you ok today?

LOL! dude!

I'm fine but sometimes I cannot be serious in this forum...thought you knew that by now?

yes I was asking that question but in a general sense since I wrote about laughing myself

come on man! you KNOW how it goes round here these parts
 
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7seasrekeyed

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anyway, I can't help it if so many are duped

seems biblical IMO

but too many (and pleeeeze do not attribute this to a personal comment at you) believe the Holy Spirit is simply an adjunct to the Bible

thinking maybe I need to warn folks when the humor gene has kicked in?
 

PennEd

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2nd reply to the above

I've drawn plenty of nudes in my Fine Arts classes and they were art

so don't worry about the great nude art and I had better not catch you with any girlie mags :mad: then again that would be your wife's concern

if you were here from the beginning of the thread, you will see I do not agree with the behavior of the girl..I consider that space cadet behavior and a few other things

I've pretty much seen those kinds of videos to the point I am bored, granted I do bore a little more easily than the average person

(yes I am being slightly funny)

Porn is a monstrous problem. I seriously don't know any guys that either are, or have in the past struggled with that beast.

Did you see where England is making people get an I.D. to watch Porn online?

I am probably the freesest speech guy you have ever met, but I agree with them.
 

calibob

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Porn is a monstrous problem. I seriously don't know any guys that either are, or have in the past struggled with that beast.

Did you see where England is making people get an I.D. to watch Porn online?

I am probably the freesest speech guy you have ever met, but I agree with them.
I too am an advocate of free speech but I cannon justify free vicarious sex with free speech. It does not compute.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Porn is a monstrous problem. I seriously don't know any guys that either are, or have in the past struggled with that beast.

Did you see where England is making people get an I.D. to watch Porn online?

I am probably the freesest speech guy you have ever met, but I agree with them.

no did not see about the ID porn thing

this is terrible, but I knew someone who took their own life and he was often watching porn...for hours... a brother of someone I knew

frankly, porn does steal your life.
 

calibob

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no did not see about the ID porn thing

this is terrible, but I knew someone who took their own life and he was often watching porn...for hours... a brother of someone I knew

frankly, porn does steal your life.
If you make that CAN I agree. Some repent and go on with their lives.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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If you make that CAN I agree. Some repent and go on with their lives.
that would be true

but while involved in porn, your life is being stolen because it is not real

that's how I meant it but God can and does set people free. true
 

Sketch

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PLEASE! Show me where it says they were laughing maniacally and rolling around on the floor in convulsions!
Right here. (although I never claimed what you are saying)

Acts 2:13
Some, however, made fun of them and said, “They have had too much wine.”
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For the fifth time... What behavior would cause us to conclude that someone is drunk?
 

Sketch

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By studying the word of God?


Why? Because they were speaking in languages many could not understand, You ever been in a room where people are speaking a language that you do not know? I have, if it was people I knew, and I knew they could not speak that language, I would think they were drunk!

This was a serious day, People were not rolling on the floor in lafter, they were preaching the word of God!!

Lol.. Again, Have you ever been in a room where everyone is speaking different languages?

Now imagine it is people you KNOW who are doing this, and you KNOW they do not know those languages? You would think they were drunk speaking incoherantly. B ec ause you can not understand them, what other explanation could one give? Other than it was a miracle of God?
No. One of the affects of consuming too much of an alcoholic beverage is not foreign language fluency.
A drunk can barely speak English. They are falling down and laughing and talking incoherently.
Like the gal in the video. Probably what they saw at Pentecost. You would have been among the scoffers.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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starting to wonder if this is still CC or has morphed into AA?
 

PennEd

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Right here. (although I never claimed what you are saying)

Acts 2:13
Some, however, made fun of them and said, “They have had too much wine.”
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For the fifth time... What behavior would cause us to conclude that someone is drunk?
I'm cool with repeating what SCRIPTURE says made them think they were drunk. NOWHERE is it said those filled with the Holy Spirit were laughing maniacally or convulsing on the floor. That is ADDED by those that want to justify this UNHOLY outrageous behavior.

Acts 2 New King James Version (NKJV)
Coming of the Holy Spirit

2 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all [a]with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them [b]divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit AND BEGAN TO SPEAK IN OTHER TONGUES, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

This is the ONLY mention of the behavior they exhibited to cause scoffers to think they were drunk. ANY other behavior YOU try to put in the text is FALSE.
INCLUDING maniacal laughter, convulsively squirming on the floor, and slaying in the spirit.


Care to try for a sixth?
 

stonesoffire

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Sketch said:
Seriously? That's ridiculous.
Since when does over-consumption of alcoholic beverages result in articulate foreign language abilities?

PennEd:
Read this account again. There were some that were amazed to hear them speak in different languages, and were blessed. Then there were mockers who heard the same thing and attributed it to them being drunk. NOWHERE is it said they were laughing maniacally, or rolling around in convulsions on the floor, or slaying people in the spirit. IT IS ENTIRELY ABOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT GIVING THEM THE ABILITY TO SPEAK LANGUAGES.

I do find it interesting that the scoffers said they were filled with NEW WINE. I believe this relates to the wineskin parable Jesus told. They WERE filled with NEW WINE! The Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:2

Acts 2:2 And G2532  suddenly G869  there came G1096  a sound G2279  from G1537  heaven G3772  as G5618  of a rushing G5342  mighty G972  wind, G4157  and G2532  it filled G4137  all G3650  the G3588  house G3624  where G3757  they were G2258  sitting. G2521

Sound:

G2279
ἦχος
ēchos
Thayer Definition:
1) a sound, noise
1a) spoken of the roar of the sea waves
2) rumour, report
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of uncertain affinity


mighty:

G972
βίαιος
biaios
Thayer Definition:
1) violent, forcible
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G970

First the sound compared to the roar of the sea, accompanied by a violent wind into the house. I picture hurricane.

And G2532  there appeared G3700  unto them G846  cloven G1266  tongues G1100  like as G5616  of fire, G4442  and G5037  it sat G2523  upon G1909  each G1538 G1520  of them. G846 
4 And G2532  they were all G537  filled G4130  with the Holy G40  Ghost, G4151  and G2532  began G756  to speak G2980  with other G2087  tongues, G1100  as G2531  the G3588  Spirit G4151  gave G1325  them G846  utterance. G669 

Cloven:

G1266
διαμερίζω
diamerizō
Thayer Definition:
1) to cleave asunder, cut in pieces
2) to be divided into opposing parts, to be at variance, in dissension
3) to distribute
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G1223 and G3307

Separated and different..

Tongues:

G1100
γλῶσσα
glōssa
Thayer Definition:
1) the tongue, a member of the body, an organ of speech
2) a tongue
1a) the language or dialect used by a particular people distinct from that of other nations
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of uncertain affinity


As it were:

G5616
ὡσεί
hōsei
Thayer Definition:
1) as it were, (had been), as though, as, like as, like
2) about, nearly
2a) before numerals
2b) before a measure of time
Part of Speech: adverb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G5613 and G1487

Just to emphasize...

Fire:

G4442 (Strong)
πῦρ
pur
poor
A primary word; “fire” (literally or figuratively, specifically lightning): - fiery, fire.
Total KJV occurrences: 74

Electricity. Something not yet invented.

Imagine lightning striking you Ed. How will you react? If not killed...must of been quite a scene. ;)
 

PennEd

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Sketch said:
Seriously? That's ridiculous.
Since when does over-consumption of alcoholic beverages result in articulate foreign language abilities?

PennEd:
Read this account again. There were some that were amazed to hear them speak in different languages, and were blessed. Then there were mockers who heard the same thing and attributed it to them being drunk. NOWHERE is it said they were laughing maniacally, or rolling around in convulsions on the floor, or slaying people in the spirit. IT IS ENTIRELY ABOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT GIVING THEM THE ABILITY TO SPEAK LANGUAGES.

I do find it interesting that the scoffers said they were filled with NEW WINE. I believe this relates to the wineskin parable Jesus told. They WERE filled with NEW WINE! The Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:2

Acts 2:2 And G2532  suddenly G869  there came G1096  a sound G2279  from G1537  heaven G3772  as G5618  of a rushing G5342  mighty G972  wind, G4157  and G2532  it filled G4137  all G3650  the G3588  house G3624  where G3757  they were G2258  sitting. G2521

Sound:

G2279
ἦχος
ēchos
Thayer Definition:
1) a sound, noise
1a) spoken of the roar of the sea waves
2) rumour, report
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of uncertain affinity


mighty:

G972
βίαιος
biaios
Thayer Definition:
1) violent, forcible
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G970

First the sound compared to the roar of the sea, accompanied by a violent wind into the house. I picture hurricane.

And G2532  there appeared G3700  unto them G846  cloven G1266  tongues G1100  like as G5616  of fire, G4442  and G5037  it sat G2523  upon G1909  each G1538 G1520  of them. G846 
4 And G2532  they were all G537  filled G4130  with the Holy G40  Ghost, G4151  and G2532  began G756  to speak G2980  with other G2087  tongues, G1100  as G2531  the G3588  Spirit G4151  gave G1325  them G846  utterance. G669 

Cloven:

G1266
διαμερίζω
diamerizō
Thayer Definition:
1) to cleave asunder, cut in pieces
2) to be divided into opposing parts, to be at variance, in dissension
3) to distribute
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G1223 and G3307

Separated and different..

Tongues:

G1100
γλῶσσα
glōssa
Thayer Definition:
1) the tongue, a member of the body, an organ of speech
2) a tongue
1a) the language or dialect used by a particular people distinct from that of other nations
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of uncertain affinity


As it were:

G5616
ὡσεί
hōsei
Thayer Definition:
1) as it were, (had been), as though, as, like as, like
2) about, nearly
2a) before numerals
2b) before a measure of time
Part of Speech: adverb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G5613 and G1487

Just to emphasize...

Fire:

G4442 (Strong)
πῦρ
pur
poor
A primary word; “fire” (literally or figuratively, specifically lightning): - fiery, fire.
Total KJV occurrences: 74

Electricity. Something not yet invented.

Imagine lightning striking you Ed. How will you react? If not killed...must of been quite a scene. ;)
Umm... I don't see how this relates at all to how the scoffers reacted to the believers that were filled with the Holy Spirit.

What you cite is when the Holy Spirit came to the Believers, NOT the result the scoffers saw in the believers. A lot of liberties are being taken in Scripture with this passage.
 

stonesoffire

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Umm... I don't see how this relates at all to how the scoffers reacted to the believers that were filled with the Holy Spirit.

What you cite is when the Holy Spirit came to the Believers, NOT the result the scoffers saw in the believers. A lot of liberties are being taken in Scripture with this passage.

You asked me what scripture spoke of electricity. Am behind a bit but I thought u would remember. No problem though.

Later all. Wish I had more time..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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No. One of the affects of consuming too much of an alcoholic beverage is not foreign language fluency.
A drunk can barely speak English. They are falling down and laughing and talking incoherently.
Like the gal in the video. Probably what they saw at Pentecost. You would have been among the scoffers.
You do not know many drunks

And you do not read very well

They were MOCKING them by saying they were drunk

You know what mocking means?

Face the facts, if your best freinds came and started speaking a language you could not understand, you would think they were all drunk.
 

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Face the facts, if your best freinds came and started speaking a language you could not understand, you would think they were all drunk.
It happens at church all the time. I'm quite certain those friends are NOT drunk.