conspiracy and corruption...

[UnderGrace]

I choose to vote based only on right and wrong. A choice between a lesser of two evils is still wrong either way. If this were really a democracy we would still lose because real, saved, Christians are a vast minority. I won't give up while I can still stand for right against all odds. Jesus will settle the final score.

It is a sad state of affairs, the light has almost been completely extinguished.

There was a time when honour, responsibility, duty, courage, service were actually present in politics.

Christians have let themselves be relegated to an insignificant tiny voice, barely audible, yet those who clamour for and promote lawlessness and are filled with envy towards the rich, they will have their socialism soon enough, because the tide is in full swing, socialism brings high expectations but it is only a ruse for domination and control as always.

 

[UnderGrace]

It is a sad state of affairs, the light has almost been completely extinguished.

There was a time when honour, responsibility, duty, courage, service were actually present in politics.

Christians have let themselves be relegated to an insignificant tiny voice, barely audible, yet those who clamour for and promote lawlessness and are filled with envy towards the rich, they will have their socialism soon enough, because the tide is in full swing, socialism brings high expectations but it is only a ruse for domination and control as always.

Yup I am sad too.

 

[1christian1]

Well I didn't take it personally. I'm not a bum. I'm just a disabled vet that paid FICA since I was 15. I joined the military when Nixon was pres. I earned Social Security according to the way I was taught before Ronald Reagan decided to use it to balance his Voodoo budget and continued paying for it till I couldn't walk any more. My Dad was in the Army Air Corps, I was in the Strategic Air Command, My son, 1st Calvary and my grandson is in submariners training, NOW.

You didn't say anything that offended me. I just get ticked when people try to paint me or others as anti American because we disagree with their spin on patriotism. Not you 1 ch 1. We have the right to disagree with the bully pulpit, it's called the first amendment. Maybe some people should try to read it![/QU


Nothing but respect for you Bob!!!

 

[1christian1]

So you will not violate someone's else free will to have an abortion, that is the basis of your argument?

You are free to make your own billion btw...

???? Did'nt get what you said...

 

[cobalt1959]

That Trumpist thing upset you huh? Well you calling me A liberal bothers me. I Am a Democrat ,and I specifically told you our stance on the lazy loser who refuses to get a job.The only way to get them to work is to starve them...

Upset is not the right word. I can't be a "Trumpist" because I'm not a Trump voter. You claim to not be a Liberal, but you vote for Democrat candidates. That makes you a Liberal. If you were not a Liberal, you would not vote for Liberal candidates. You wish to behave a certain way, then dismiss that same behavior and call it something else. The only way to stop being identified as a Liberal is to stop voting for Liberal candidates. It's hardly my fault you are making some poor moral decisions. You say you don't want to keep enabling "lazy losers" and yet you vote for candidates that will not only continue that cycle, but actively enlarge it. Once again, your internal values are not consistent.

 

[cobalt1959]

And now I'll tell you my story on abortion... in 2004 I was dating a women and she got pregnant. She did'nt want a child. I am Catholic so abortion was out of any conversation. My daughter's mother agreed to have my daughter. I have been a single father for the last ten years, just she and I. She is 13 yrs old.I Raised her Catholic and she is a gift from God!!!I Could not imagine my life without her!!! So please don't judge when you have no idea of what you are talking about...( fortunately, She is still young enough to think that the world is beautiful. and people.)

I don't know what that story has to do with what we are talking about. As a Catholic, pre-marital sex should have been out of the question as well, correct? If anything, it should prompt you to be much more pro-active both when it comes to actively condemning abortion, and also not voting for politicians who will make sure the abortion cycle goes on and at ever-increasing numbers. You somehow think you can divorce yourself from voting for people who do untold harm and further moral erosion. You can't.

 

[cobalt1959]

???? Did'nt get what you said...

Pretty simple. Your continued moral inconsistencies are pointed out. You don't seem to care that 1000's of unborn children are murdered daily, but you also think it's OK to steal money from taxpayers to pay people who won't work. You say you don't support either one, but you vote for candidates who do, so until you stop that course of action, you've got some problems that can't be reconciled with your stated Christian values. The only way to fix the problem is to stop supporting things God condemns.

 

[1christian1]

Upset is not the right word. I can't be a "Trumpist" because I'm not a Trump voter. You claim to not be a Liberal, but you vote for Democrat candidates. That makes you a Liberal. If you were not a Liberal, you would not vote for Liberal candidates. You wish to behave a certain way, then dismiss that same behavior and call it something else. The only way to stop being identified as a Liberal is to stop voting for Liberal candidates. It's hardly my fault you are making some poor moral decisions. You say you don't want to keep enabling "lazy losers" and yet you vote for candidates that will not only continue that cycle, but actively enlarge it. Once again, your internal values are not consistent.

Again... Those are liberals... And you say that you are not a Trumpist but you believe in all his idiocracies ... how is this???

 

[1christian1]

I don't know what that story has to do with what we are talking about. As a Catholic, pre-marital sex should have been out of the question as well, correct? If anything, it should prompt you to be much more pro-active both when it comes to actively condemning abortion, and also not voting for politicians who will make sure the abortion cycle goes on and at ever-increasing numbers. You somehow think you can divorce yourself from voting for people who do untold harm and further moral erosion. You can't.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ABORTION. Nothing esle...

 

[1christian1]

Pretty simple. Your continued moral inconsistencies are pointed out. You don't seem to care that 1000's of unborn children are murdered daily, but you also think it's OK to steal money from taxpayers to pay people who won't work. You say you don't support either one, but you vote for candidates who do, so until you stop that course of action, you've got some problems that can't be reconciled with your stated Christian values. The only way to fix the problem is to stop supporting things God condemns.

You are clueless my friend. We Democrats are about ALL Americans. Why are you ignoring what I said about the rich paying the same % of tax that I do??? You don't think that this is fair? You think that God condemns this?

 

[1christian1]

Pretty simple. Your continued moral inconsistencies are pointed out. You don't seem to care that 1000's of unborn children are murdered daily, but you also think it's OK to steal money from taxpayers to pay people who won't work. You say you don't support either one, but you vote for candidates who do, so until you stop that course of action, you've got some problems that can't be reconciled with your stated Christian values. The only way to fix the problem is to stop supporting things God condemns.

I point blank told you that people that don't work don't get paid... We were discussing the rich not paying any taxes. And as far as "free will" I leave this up to the Lord God in heaven that has given this to us... He has'nt given me this responsibility. But I guess he came to you in a dream...

 

[cobalt1959]

I point blank told you that people that don't work don't get paid... We were discussing the rich not paying any taxes. And as far as "free will" I leave this up to the Lord God in heaven that has given this to us... He has'nt given me this responsibility. But I guess he came to you in a dream...

You carp about being in a high tax bracket, but then turn around and also say that the rich don't get taxed. You can't have it both ways. The rich are already getting taxed. Democrats are consumed with this non sequitur. How much tax for "the rich" is enough? How much of their success do they have to throw into a bottomless pit of Take when it comes to your pipe dream of eliminating poverty before you'll think they've been punished for their success enough? All it is is rank jealousy. "They have more than me." Democrats hate the rich because those people are taking a piece of their pie. It has nothing to do with "the poor." It has to do with selfishness and a non-viable concept of a Socialist Utopia that we already know doesn't work.

Saying "He hasn't given me this responsibility" does not work, spiritually, and especially not Biblically. As a Christian, you have a responsibility to point out dangers, like abortion and moral erosion. You can't just separate that component from your Christian walk and pretend that you don't have to perform that function. It isn't optional. The only reason people make that excuse is because they find the concept of actually dealing with moral problems repugnant because they are victims of moral relativism and because confronting a particular problem would challenge a worldview they hold that is not in line with Biblical dictates. The problem with that line of thinking is that while you can relieve yourself from the responsibility of having to do something you are not comfortable with in the here and now, when you stand before Christ, you won't have the option of excuses, or saying "it wasn't your responsibility."

 

[cobalt1959]

You are clueless my friend. We Democrats are about ALL Americans. Why are you ignoring what I said about the rich paying the same % of tax that I do??? You don't think that this is fair? You think that God condemns this?

All Americans? Well, except Conservatives. And Blacks who vote for anyone other than a Democrat. Or women who refuse to embrace Third Wave Feminism. Or white males. Or any one who owns a gun. Or anyone who knows Socialism is a bad idea and a failure every time. I can't believe anyone could say that "Democrats are for ALL Americans" when they clearly are not. Democrats only care about self. It's the party of selfishness. It is always a false flag to say that "the rich" don't pay taxes. They are paying more than you. Of course, just like "the poor" term that your ilk continually toss around with no clear definition of what you actually mean, the same applies to "the rich." It's just a label of ire that doesn't actually mean anything.

You are on a Christian board, claiming to be a Christian while defending a political party that is morally bankrupt. And if you can't visualize both the irony, and the hypocrisy of that position, that isn't my fault. Because someone who is born-again should be able to figure out why that is a problem.

 

[cobalt1959]

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ABORTION. Nothing esle...

You don't get to decide, from a moral basis, what is and is not an allowable talking point. I'm not in the habit of letting people think they can control the conversation by telling me what I can and cannot talk about. You avoid the moral component like The Plague because you are forced to do so. You are a self-confessed Christian defending a political party that has a platform based on unrestricted elective abortion. Therefore, you support abortion. That is an obvious fact that you continually refuse to deal with. If you didn't support abortion, you wouldn't vote for candidates that do, or go around telling everyone how great the DNC is.

 

[cobalt1959]

Again... Those are liberals... And you say that you are not a Trumpist but you believe in all his idiocracies ... how is this???

What idiosyncrasies (spell check is your friend) would those be? I'm stating what I've been stating for decades and it has nothing to do with Trump. You can't be an actual Christian actively serving God and vote for people who support amoral positions. That's a Biblical fact and it has nothing to do with Trump. You can't defend your course of action without trying to make it someone else's problem, engaging in ad hominems and saying "that isn't my responsibility." It most certainly is. I've asked you repeatedly to give me scriptural support for your rational and I've yet to see it.

 

[1christian1]

You carp about being in a high tax bracket, but then turn around and also say that the rich don't get taxed. You can't have it both ways. The rich are already getting taxed. Democrats are consumed with this non sequitur. How much tax for "the rich" is enough? How much of their success do they have to throw into a bottomless pit of Take when it comes to your pipe dream of eliminating poverty before you'll think they've been punished for their success enough? All it is is rank jealousy. "They have more than me." Democrats hate the rich because those people are taking a piece of their pie. It has nothing to do with "the poor." It has to do with selfishness and a non-viable concept of a Socialist Utopia that we already know doesn't work.

Saying "He hasn't given me this responsibility" does not work, spiritually, and especially not Biblically. As a Christian, you have a responsibility to point out dangers, like abortion and moral erosion. You can't just separate that component from your Christian walk and pretend that you don't have to perform that function. It isn't optional. The only reason people make that excuse is because they find the concept of actually dealing with moral problems repugnant because they are victims of moral relativism and because confronting a particular problem would challenge a worldview they hold that is not in line with Biblical dictates. The problem with that line of thinking is that while you can relieve yourself from the responsibility of having to do something you are not comfortable with in the here and now, when you stand before Christ, you won't have the option of excuses, or saying "it wasn't your responsibility."

You really don't watch the news or anything else for that matter. Trump gave the rich a 1.9 TRILLION tax break... And again , What I said is that We, as Americans should pay the same % of taxes... You Trumpist always have this idea that one day you are going to hit the lottery and don't want to pay the taxes on it Lol.!!! And as far as casting judgement, I do well keeping my side of the street clean and not cast judgement on others because it will never be. But obviously yours is perfectly clean so it is okay for you to cast judgement , right?... And I can only speak for myself and my experiences, If someone happens to get something out of this I am glad... And my only responsibility to God is MY actions... Not others. I say what I say because this is what I believe. Not directed to one individual or any. This are My thoughts and beliefs. Just as you have yours... And kudos to you you that you live such a godly life that you can cast judgement on others. I'm not even close...

 

[1christian1]

All Americans? Well, except Conservatives. And Blacks who vote for anyone other than a Democrat. Or women who refuse to embrace Third Wave Feminism. Or white males. Or any one who owns a gun. Or anyone who knows Socialism is a bad idea and a failure every time. I can't believe anyone could say that "Democrats are for ALL Americans" when they clearly are not. Democrats only care about self. It's the party of selfishness. It is always a false flag to say that "the rich" don't pay taxes. They are paying more than you. Of course, just like "the poor" term that your ilk continually toss around with no clear definition of what you actually mean, the same applies to "the rich." It's just a label of ire that doesn't actually mean anything.

You are on a Christian board, claiming to be a Christian while defending a political party that is morally bankrupt. And if you can't visualize both the irony, and the hypocrisy of that position, that isn't my fault. Because someone who is born-again should be able to figure out why that is a problem.

That "born again thing, what is this???

 

[1christian1]

You don't get to decide, from a moral basis, what is and is not an allowable talking point. I'm not in the habit of letting people think they can control the conversation by telling me what I can and cannot talk about. You avoid the moral component like The Plague because you are forced to do so. You are a self-confessed Christian defending a political party that has a platform based on unrestricted elective abortion. Therefore, you support abortion. That is an obvious fact that you continually refuse to deal with. If you didn't support abortion, you wouldn't vote for candidates that do, or go around telling everyone how great the DNC is.

I am positive that it was you that I told about my child... I looked back at our texts... If you refuse to read them don't start talking non sense...

 

[1christian1]

What idiosyncrasies (spell check is your friend) would those be? I'm stating what I've been stating for decades and it has nothing to do with Trump. You can't be an actual Christian actively serving God and vote for people who support amoral positions. That's a Biblical fact and it has nothing to do with Trump. You can't defend your course of action without trying to make it someone else's problem, engaging in ad hominems and saying "that isn't my responsibility." It most certainly is. I've asked you repeatedly to give me scriptural support for your rational and I've yet to see it.

No, I meant idiocracies... You mean like" Love one one other as I have loved you" That sort of thing...

 

[1christian1]

No, I meant idiocracies... You mean like" Love one one other as I have loved you" That sort of thing...

you do own a webster dictionary... or do you not believe in this book either???