Does God love all mankind?

[eternally-gratefull]

If God chastens all of those that he loves as stated in Hebrews 12:6, then why does he not chasten those mentioned in Psalms 73:5 - They are not in trouble as other men; neither are they PLAGUED (Thayer's Greek translation = divinely punished) like other men?

He chastes those who are his. Not those he loves.

As for Psalms 75. It is a psalms where the author talks about the fact he almost slipped because he was jealous of the sinner, who was blessed or prospered on earth.

Many a christian has stumbled on this fact. In fact I had trouble with it for a short time many years ago.

Its part of Gods hands off approach. Our view of properity is not gods. So it is not even sure it is a good thing..

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Sure thing FGC!

Revelation 20
12 AND, I SAW THE "DEAD", SMALL and GREAT, stand before God; and the "books were opened": and ANOTHER book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their "WORKS."

As you can read (hopefully), there are more then 1 set of books!
Also, as you read? You may be able to see that the "works" of these dead? Were judged out of those things which were written in the books!

Actually your failure of seeing God as being fair and just, in His judgements?

Is rather disappointing.

God's children are judged as they sojourn here on earth by God's chastening. Their names are written in the book of life and are told on the last day to enter in, thou good and faithful servant, while those who are not his children (the dead) will be judged out of the other books by their works. God is indeed fair and just!

 

[ForestGreenCook]

He chastes those who are his. Not those he loves.

As for Psalms 75. It is a psalms where the author talks about the fact he almost slipped because he was jealous of the sinner, who was blessed or prospered on earth.

Many a christian has stumbled on this fact. In fact I had trouble with it for a short time many years ago.

Its part of Gods hands off approach. Our view of properity is not gods. So it is not even sure it is a good thing..

Those who prosper in Psalms were not blesses by God to prosper, as you have asserted. If all of those that God loves he chastens, then it stands to reason, that those he does not chasten, he does not love, and he does not chasten those mentioned in Psalms 73.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Those who prosper in Psalms were not blesses by God to prosper, as you have asserted. If all of those that God loves he chastens, then it stands to reason, that those he does not chasten, he does not love, and he does not chasten those mentioned in Psalms 73.

The bible says he chasten those who are his own. If you are not chastened, you are illegitiment and you are not his.

That has nothing to do with whether jesus loves them or not. He loves the world.. Those are his own words.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

The bible says he chasten those who are his own. If you are not chastened, you are illegitiment and you are not his.

That has nothing to do with whether jesus loves them or not. He loves the world.. Those are his own words.

The WORLD that God loves, is the world of those who believe (which consist of those he choose before the foundation of the world and will bring to life through regeneration). The fact remains that God does not chasten those that he does not love.(Psalms 73).

 

[ForestGreenCook]

The WORLD that God loves, is the world of those who believe (which consist of those he choose before the foundation of the world and will bring to life through regeneration). The fact remains that God does not chasten those that he does not love.(Psalms 73).

God tells us to "love not the world, neither the things that are in the world". Why would God who loves the world, tell us to love not the world that he loves? Because they are not the same world. Rightly divide the worlds.

 

[SIMON55]

My comments were in response to your statement, "unless until they repent". I was trying to convey to you that the natural man, void of the Spirit, cannot repent of breaking a spiritual law. No man will seek him unless they have already been born of the Spirit, as was John the baptist and the prophets.

Well you just keep digging yourself more holes because people had the capacity to be remorseful and LAMENT over breaking the law even DAVID
SO.....you have doug yourself a deeper hole and you can either keep digging till you reach that hell you so strongly believe in or you can kindly move along and peddle your 📓 hell book on someone elses post.TY😀

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Well you just keep digging yourself more holes because people had the capacity to be remorseful and LAMENT over breaking the law even DAVID
SO.....you have doug yourself a deeper hole and you can either keep digging till you reach that hell you so strongly believe in or you can kindly move along and peddle your 📓 hell book on someone elses post.TY😀

David was already born of the Spirit when he repented to God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The WORLD that God loves, is the world of those who believe (which consist of those he choose before the foundation of the world and will bring to life through regeneration). The fact remains that God does not chasten those that he does not love.(Psalms 73).

The fact is he died for ALL, Because he LOVES all. When you create something, You love it, And desire what is best for it. At the same time, You let it be free, otherwise it can not appreciate you. And there is no realationship

Those who prosper in Psalms were not blesses by God to prosper, as you have asserted. If all of those that God loves he chastens, then it stands to reason, that those he does not chasten, he does not love, and he does not chasten those mentioned in Psalms 73.

I never said God blessed them, So your Assumption is wrong. Which means you did not understand what I was trying to say

 

[Nehemiah6]

The WORLD that God loves, is the world of those who believe (which consist of those he choose before the foundation of the world and will bring to life through regeneration).

That is not only sheer nonsense, but contradicts God and Christ, as well as the Bible. Just another Calvinistic DELUSION. "God so loved the world..." means God so loved the human race, the inhabitants of the world.

The fact remains that God does not chasten those that he does not love.(Psalms 73).

God chastens only His children, and compares that to the chastening of children by their parents. See Hebrew 12. But God punishes the ungodly, and His wrath is reserved for the wicked. But while they are on earth, they seemingly go scot-free.

 

[Hevosmies]

ForestGreenCook is back with his hyper-calvinism heresy. Oy vey!

 

[NayborBear]

ForestGreenCook is back with his hyper-calvinism heresy. Oy vey!

One can call it hyper-Calvinism. I'd rather refer to it, as what "traditions of man" did to Calvinism.
Simply looky round all the various denominations, and you can see that Calvinism isn't the only "denomination", to suffer from fallen man.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

That is not only sheer nonsense, but contradicts God and Christ, as well as the Bible. Just another Calvinistic DELUSION. "God so loved the world..." means God so loved the human race, the inhabitants of the world.

God chastens only His children, and compares that to the chastening of children by their parents. See Hebrew 12. But God punishes the ungodly, and His wrath is reserved for the wicked. But while they are on earth, they seemingly go scot-free.

Rightly dividing the word includes rightly dividing the different worlds in the scriptures. God tells us to "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. Why would God tell us to not love the world that he says that he loves. Answer - Two different worlds.

 

[tourist]

Rightly dividing the word includes rightly dividing the different worlds in the scriptures. God tells us to "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. Why would God tell us to not love the world that he says that he loves. Answer - Two different worlds.

Yes, two different meanings.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

The fact is he died for ALL, Because he LOVES all. When you create something, You love it, And desire what is best for it. At the same time, You let it be free, otherwise it can not appreciate you. And there is no realationship



I never said God blessed them, So your Assumption is wrong. Which means you did not understand what I was trying to say

You might not have intended it that way, but, you did say the wicked in Psalms 73 were blessed. Go back and read it. If I misquoted you, I apologize.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

You might not have intended it that way, but, you did say the wicked in Psalms 73 were blessed. Go back and read it. If I misquoted you, I apologize.

The fact is he died for ALL, Because he LOVES all. When you create something, You love it, And desire what is best for it. At the same time, You let it be free, otherwise it can not appreciate you. And there is no realationship



I never said God blessed them, So your Assumption is wrong. Which means you did not understand what I was trying to say

Do you have scripture proof for your statement above?

 

[Adstar]

If God chastens all of those that he loves as stated in Hebrews 12:6, then why does he not chasten those mentioned in Psalms 73:5 - They are not in trouble as other men; neither are they PLAGUED (Thayer's Greek translation = divinely punished) like other men?

If you look at the surounding scriptures where it is revealed that God chastens it is likened to a good loving human father who chastens his son.. So the important thing is the Father to Son relationship.. God does love all mankind but like a Father He only chastens His Children.. We become Children of God when we believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement He secured for us..

Galatians 4: KJV
4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, {5} To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. {6} And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. {7} Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ."

Hebrews 12: KJV
6 "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. {7} If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?"

People become sons of God when they become saved Christians..

 

[Hungry]

If God chastens all of those that he loves as stated in Hebrews 12:6, then why does he not chasten those mentioned in Psalms 73:5 - They are not in trouble as other men; neither are they PLAGUED (Thayer's Greek translation = divinely punished) like other men?

We focus too much on words and not enough on their meaning. It’s like saying I love dogs. Does that mean every dog? I’d say no. Christ died as a sacrifice for those who chose God but could never enter into His presence. Because this becomes like an adoption and we become His, He may discipline His own children. The others who do not wish to receive Him as Father will not share in the rebuke or the inheritance of the Lord.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

If you look at the surounding scriptures where it is revealed that God chastens it is likened to a good loving human father who chastens his son.. So the important thing is the Father to Son relationship.. God does love all mankind but like a Father He only chastens His Children.. We become Children of God when we believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement He secured for us..

Galatians 4: KJV
4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, {5} To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. {6} And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. {7} Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ."

Hebrews 12: KJV
6 "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. {7} If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?"

People become sons of God when they become saved Christians..

When did Jesus secure the atonement for us? Was it not on the cross? Does not secured mean obtained, accomplished, a finished work? Who did he secure that atonement for? Was it not for all that his Father gave (not will give) him? John 6:39. Did Jesus not say all that the Father gave him will live in heaven, without the lose of even one? If Jesus died for all mankind (which he did not) would not all mankind be saved to heaven? How do people become sons of God? Is it not by being born of the Spirit? Eph 2:5. Does a child choose to be born of his parents? Can the natural man choose to be a spiritual man when he cannot discern spiritual things? 1 Cor 2:14. All scriptures are the inspired word of God. I do not claim to understand all scriptures. I do understand that all scriptures must harmonize to be the doctrine that Jesus taught.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

We focus too much on words and not enough on their meaning. It’s like saying I love dogs. Does that mean every dog? I’d say no. Christ died as a sacrifice for those who chose God but could never enter into His presence. Because this becomes like an adoption and we become His, He may discipline His own children. The others who do not wish to receive Him as Father will not share in the rebuke or the inheritance of the Lord.

God does have all foreknowledge, and sees the end from the beginning. Psalms 53:2-3 tells us what God saw in man by his foreknowledge: God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God. They are altogether become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one. I agree with you on your statement that "that doesen't mean every dog. Just like when God says he loves the world of believers, does not mean other worlds.