Creation of universe

[PennEd]

Guess what? There was no worldwide flood, either...

Hey... Zen X... You gonna tell us if Jesus Christ is real? Please answer the below post:


The Bible is not a buffet. You don't get to pick and choose what you like and discard or change what you don't believe. When you do that, you make YOURSELF out to be god.

So there was no literal Adam & Eve? You don't like that so you tossed it.

We can work with your error with a lot of this stuff, but I need to ask you. Do you believe that Jesus Christ, an actual, real person, is God come in the flesh, born of a virgin, conceived by the Holy Spirit, suffered, was crucified, and died to pay for YOUR sin debt, and that He rose from the grave on the 3rd day?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Guess what? There was no worldwide flood, either...

Guess what. Your wrong about this true, Science proves there was a worldwide flood.

 

[AxeElf]

The Bible is not a buffet. You don't get to pick and choose what you like and discard or change what you don't believe.

The Bible is a book of spiritual truth. One should read it with the intention of learning what it is trying to tell us. That's where us prophets can come in handy, by helping others to understand and interpret the divine will and purpose.

Jesus told a parable about a sower who spread seed on various types of ground. Some of the seed did not sprout because it fell on rocky ground. Some of the seed sprouted, but was soon choked out by weeds. Some of the seed grew into strong plants, because the soil was fertile and receptive.

Do you believe that this sower was a real man, and that the story that Jesus told is an accurate depiction of actual events? Or do you believe that Jesus was teaching something important that was not contained in the literal facts of the story?

Ok, so if you understand that God and Jesus use parables to communicate spiritual truths through stories that are not necessarily historically or scientifically accurate, then why do you have a problem with trying to rightly divide the word into what is literal truth and what is spiritual truth?

When you do that, you make YOURSELF out to be god.

When I do that, I am exercising my gift of prophecy.

So there was no literal Adam & Eve? You don't like that so you tossed it.

It has nothing to do with whether or not I LIKE it, that's just what God's creation speaks to us when we examine it for evidence of how we got here as human beings. In fact, I LIKE the parable of the Garden of Eden a great deal. It helps me to understand some important spiritual truths, such as that selfishness (not hate) is the opposite of love, how man's nature of selfishness therefore separates him from God, whose nature is love, and why Jesus was necessary to reach out to across across that abyss created by our nature to allow us to pass over back into the presence of God for eternity.

We can work with your error with a lot of this stuff

Oh no; please, do not "work with" error or allow it to go unchallenged. If you can identify and demonstrate error, then by all means, call it out. I detest error with every fiber of my being (while still understanding that it can never be fully eradicated, only minimized).

Do you believe that Jesus Christ, an actual, real person, is God come in the flesh, born of a virgin, conceived by the Holy Spirit, suffered, was crucified, and died to pay for YOUR sin debt, and that He rose from the grave on the 3rd day?

Well, not just MY sin, but the sin of everyone who was created for salvation, yes.

(The matter of the "3rd day" may also be subject to a degree of question as well--there's a currently active thread on that very topic here in this forum--but it's not important.)

 

[AxeElf]

the problem I have with science is the scientists. One scientist will come up with a theory-which is popular with other scientists. Over time, said theory becomes accepted as fact-so much so that whole scientific disciplines may come from what was nothing more than a popular idea.

Scientific theories are always subject to new evidence and new interpretations that do a better job of explaining the evidence. Just about anything that is worth anything at all started out as a good idea though. Good ideas don't become science just because they are popular; they become science because they are able to do a better job of explaining the evidence.

 

[AxeElf]

Sorry

But your wrong. But it is good tgo know what you think about the history book called the bible (which by the way has been proven 100 % historical fact every time it is exposed to science.

Guess what. Your wrong about this true, Science proves there was a worldwide flood.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Wish I could stay, but I'm wanted back in reality now...

 

[AxeElf]

Hey... Zen X... You gonna tell us if Jesus Christ is real? Please answer the below post:


The Bible is not a buffet. You don't get to pick and choose what you like and discard or change what you don't believe. When you do that, you make YOURSELF out to be god.

So there was no literal Adam & Eve? You don't like that so you tossed it.

We can work with your error with a lot of this stuff, but I need to ask you. Do you believe that Jesus Christ, an actual, real person, is God come in the flesh, born of a virgin, conceived by the Holy Spirit, suffered, was crucified, and died to pay for YOUR sin debt, and that He rose from the grave on the 3rd day?

Patience, grasshopper. There are many who needed my attention today. I answer the posts in the order in which they appear. Sorry if it took a while to get around to yours, but this forum isn't all about you, you know....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Wish I could stay, but I'm wanted back in reality now...

You mean fantasy land?

Glad you think it is so funny.

Your not the first, and wont be the last. But hey, I will pray for you

 

[Didymous]

I'm sure what you write about good ideas is sometimes true. I mentioned popular ideas, however, not good ideas. An example that comes to mind is the Bering Land Bridge Theory. Not that it existed, but that scientists could determine which way-if any-people went to cross it.

 

[obedienttogod]

But it's not important. The Bible isn't supposed to be a history book or a science book, it's supposed to be a book of spiritual truth. The spiritual truth imparted by the parable of the Garden of Eden is that man is fundamentally separated from God by his very nature. I could go into a whole lesson on this parable itself, but I don't know if it's appropriate for this thread.

The Bible or conglomeration of scriptures, reveals God in every aspect of human life. Our nation, our humor, our laughter, our joking, our thought processing, our reasoning, our separating logic from fact, our intellect, our understanding, our complex process of problem solving, how we take steps in creating an idea into an animate object, how to figure it out, what methods to apply, how to solve it...THIS IS made in the Likeness of God.

We are Scientists because of God's Likeness, we are Mathematicians because of God's Likeness, We are Engineers because of God's Likeness, we are Ministers/Evangelist/Preachers/Bible Teachers because of God's Likeness, we are Machinist/Carpenter because of God's Likeness, we are Litigators/Lawyers/Mediators because of God's Likeness, we are Doctor/Physicians/Nurses because of God's Likeness, we are Problem Solvers because of God's Likeness, we are What We Are because of God's Likeness.

This is how everything Relates, because everything we do is in the Likeness of God whether people accept it or not. We are related on the level of Bacteria and Nothing else. We all Species of a term, have the same Bacteria because we are made from the Dust/Earth/Life Source. Many Bacteria that help digest food, will eat your remains by design to return to Dust/Earth/Life Source. This is where Science, under the vision of humanity, has been caught in a snare at

This is what we find in the conglomerations of Holy Scripture...

 

[AxeElf]

I'm sure what you write about good ideas is sometimes true. I mentioned popular ideas, however, not good ideas. An example that comes to mind is the Bering Land Bridge Theory. Not that it existed, but that scientists could determine which way-if any-people went to cross it.

But that's the cool thing about science--good ideas go on to be popular ideas, through the process of replication, peer review, observation and experimentation, while bad ideas fail to become popular, and eventually just fade away.

 

[AxeElf]

The Bible or conglomeration of scriptures, reveals God in every aspect of human life. Our nation, our humor, our laughter, our joking, our thought processing, our reasoning, our separating logic from fact, our intellect, our understanding, our complex process of problem solving, how we take steps in creating an idea into an animate object, how to figure it out, what methods to apply, how to solve it...THIS IS made in the Likeness of God.

We are Scientists because of God's Likeness, we are Mathematicians because of God's Likeness, We are Engineers because of God's Likeness, we are Ministers/Evangelist/Preachers/Bible Teachers because of God's Likeness, we are Machinist/Carpenter because of God's Likeness, we are Litigators/Lawyers/Mediators because of God's Likeness, we are Doctor/Physicians/Nurses because of God's Likeness, we are Problem Solvers because of God's Likeness, we are What We Are because of God's Likeness.

This is how everything Relates, because everything we do is in the Likeness of God whether people accept it or not. We are related on the level of Bacteria and Nothing else. We all Species of a term, have the same Bacteria because we are made from the Dust/Earth/Life Source. Many Bacteria that help digest food, will eat your remains by design to return to Dust/Earth/Life Source. This is where Science, under the vision of humanity, has been caught in a snare at

This is what we find in the conglomerations of Holy Scripture...

Interesting thoughts.

I tend to think that being "created in the image of God" has to do with the fact that we are the only beings He created which share His triune nature. Like God, we have a body (Son), mind/soul (Father) and a Spirit. Angels and demons have souls and spirits; other animals have bodies and spirits, but we are the only critters that have all three.

 

[AxeElf]

But hey, I will pray for you

Always appreciated. Just be sure you are following the example of Jesus and praying "THY will be done," and not "MY will be done," as so many seem to want to pray from their own selfish human nature instead of from God's nature of love.

 

[obedienttogod]

Interesting thoughts.

I tend to think that being "created in the image of God" has to do with the fact that we are the only beings He created which share His triune nature. Like God, we have a body (Son), mind/soul (Father) and a Spirit. Angels and demons have souls and spirits; other animals have bodies and spirits, but we are the only critters that have all three.

If God Designed it so He could live INSIDE YOU, it means He wants to be with you 24/7/365 non stop. So He gave us His Likeness. And He see's how we take that Likeness and apply it. It's Designed to follow God, but when you see the Likeness of God being used in Free Will, you can see how humanity is making a Mockery of God's Likeness.

It's ultimately Designed to be on a personal level with you. This is why God Designed it so the Holy Spirit (His Spirit) could be with each of us, His Creation. He wants to guide the Likeness of God (Himself) you have for His Purpose. This is WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT!!

 

[KnowMe]

If there's a 13.8 billion years ago, it means there was 0 time (when the big bang happened supposedly)
Did darkness and silence exist from that moment onward?

the alpha and the omega existed, physical time is between the two

 

[PennEd]

The Bible is a book of spiritual truth. One should read it with the intention of learning what it is trying to tell us. That's where us prophets can come in handy, by helping others to understand and interpret the divine will and purpose.

Jesus told a parable about a sower who spread seed on various types of ground. Some of the seed did not sprout because it fell on rocky ground. Some of the seed sprouted, but was soon choked out by weeds. Some of the seed grew into strong plants, because the soil was fertile and receptive.

Do you believe that this sower was a real man, and that the story that Jesus told is an accurate depiction of actual events? Or do you believe that Jesus was teaching something important that was not contained in the literal facts of the story?

Ok, so if you understand that God and Jesus use parables to communicate spiritual truths through stories that are not necessarily historically or scientifically accurate, then why do you have a problem with trying to rightly divide the word into what is literal truth and what is spiritual truth?



When I do that, I am exercising my gift of prophecy.



It has nothing to do with whether or not I LIKE it, that's just what God's creation speaks to us when we examine it for evidence of how we got here as human beings. In fact, I LIKE the parable of the Garden of Eden a great deal. It helps me to understand some important spiritual truths, such as that selfishness (not hate) is the opposite of love, how man's nature of selfishness therefore separates him from God, whose nature is love, and why Jesus was necessary to reach out to across across that abyss created by our nature to allow us to pass over back into the presence of God for eternity.



Oh no; please, do not "work with" error or allow it to go unchallenged. If you can identify and demonstrate error, then by all means, call it out. I detest error with every fiber of my being (while still understanding that it can never be fully eradicated, only minimized).



Well, not just MY sin, but the sin of everyone who was created for salvation, yes.

(The matter of the "3rd day" may also be subject to a degree of question as well--there's a currently active thread on that very topic here in this forum--but it's not important.)

So you believe Jesus is God Himself come in the flesh to pay for our sin debt, and that He came back to life and then ascended into heaven, but don't believe there was an actual Adam.

Who gives you this authority to pick and choose what the Bible says to be true, and what is untrue? Why do you believe in Jesus then?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Always appreciated. Just be sure you are following the example of Jesus and praying "THY will be done," and not "MY will be done," as so many seem to want to pray from their own selfish human nature instead of from God's nature of love.

Who said I would do otherwise?

 

[AxeElf]

If God Designed it so He could live INSIDE YOU, it means He wants to be with you 24/7/365 non stop. So He gave us His Likeness.

I don't think that's what "having His likeness" means, because an omnipresent God lives inside everything--so by your reasoning, everything would have His likeness and "having His likeness" would be stripped of meaning.

It's Designed to follow God, but when you see the Likeness of God being used in Free Will, you can see how humanity is making a Mockery of God's Likeness.

I don't believe that the preponderance of scripture supports the notion of free will; I think that is just a remnant of our selfish human desire to be our own gods. I believe in an omniscient God Who is in control of everything.

It's ultimately Designed to be on a personal level with you. This is why God Designed it so the Holy Spirit (His Spirit) could be with each of us, His Creation.

An omnipresent God would have to be with everyone at all times, whether they like it or not.

He wants to guide the Likeness of God (Himself) you have for His Purpose.

I don't believe that we have any choice other than to fulfill the purpose that God has determined for our lives.

 

[AxeElf]

So you believe Jesus is God Himself come in the flesh to pay for our sin debt, and that He came back to life and then ascended into heaven, but don't believe there was an actual Adam.

Correct.

Who gives you this authority to pick and choose what the Bible says to be true, and what is untrue?

Who gives the authority for ANY of the spiritual gifts?

The authority to understand and interpret the divine will and purpose is granted from the same source as the authority to interpret tongues.

I wouldn't call it picking and choosing what is true and untrue, though; I would call it consistently interpreting what the Bible is trying to teach us. It doesn't matter that the parable of the sower isn't "true," per se; it still teaches us important spiritual truths.

Why do you believe in Jesus then?

Because God determined at the creation of the universe that I would.

 

[AxeElf]

Who said I would do otherwise?

No one. Who said that someone said that you would do otherwise?

I am just hoping that you don't.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Interesting point you make. However, I also noticed that the sower was never given a name.

Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Joseph, Moses, David, Daniel, these people were all given names and were all referred to in both Old and New Testaments as being real persons.

I am curious, which of these men that I have mentioned really existed, and which ones were not real?

The Bible is a book of spiritual truth. One should read it with the intention of learning what it is trying to tell us. That's where us prophets can come in handy, by helping others to understand and interpret the divine will and purpose.

Jesus told a parable about a sower who spread seed on various types of ground. Some of the seed did not sprout because it fell on rocky ground. Some of the seed sprouted, but was soon choked out by weeds. Some of the seed grew into strong plants, because the soil was fertile and receptive.

Do you believe that this sower was a real man, and that the story that Jesus told is an accurate depiction of actual events? Or do you believe that Jesus was teaching something important that was not contained in the literal facts of the story?

Ok, so if you understand that God and Jesus use parables to communicate spiritual truths through stories that are not necessarily historically or scientifically accurate, then why do you have a problem with trying to rightly divide the word into what is literal truth and what is spiritual truth?