What if Adam and Eve ate the tree of life?

[Noose]

I keep telling you the shrub, sometimes rendered plant or bush is a field (crop): a plant related to the mist watering them. I think the Revised Version plainly states it:

(RV) Gen. 2:5, 6 "And no plant of the field was yet in the earth, and no herb of the field had yet sprung up: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground; but there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."

Still doesn't make any sense, doesn't matter if the shrubs could produce mist.

Where, oh where did you ever come up with this? So we existed from eternity like God? Hahahaha...

Ecc 3:9What does the worker gain from his toil? 10I have seen the burden that God has laid on men to occupy them.11He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men, yet they cannot fathom the work God has done from beginning to end.

Job 32:7I thought that age should speak, and many years should teach wisdom. 8But there is a spirit in a man, the breath of the Almighty, that gives him understanding.


So when did the breath of the Almighty created?

 

[Noose]

Matt 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

1 John 3:15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that eternal life does not reside in a murderer.

Matt 5: 21You have heard that it was said to the ancients, ‘Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca,’ will be subject to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be subject to the fire of hell.

Means, it is the condition of the human's heart (sin) that brought death to the world.

 

[Noose]

And another question, thou shall not kill, kill what the flesh or soul, if the flesh is but a thought and the soul is real, is that commandment saying humans have the power to kill souls?

It is the command that is most important because it is the word of God/breath of God which is life. Keep the command in your heart and guard it, straying away from it is putting the whole world and your own soul at jeopardy.

 

[Noose]

there was a chemical reaction before a nuclear reaction in the beginning,


in your opinion what is the purpose of us humans having senses? why did God create humans to sense.

It is consciousness that keeps the body functioning the way it is supposed to function and through consciousness the senses work the way they are supposed to so that you can have the experience of passage of time and with passage of time, you can experience everything that we believe is real and through the experience of reality we give meaning to both love and hate/ good and evil e.t.c

 

[KnowMe]

It is consciousness that keeps the body functioning the way it is supposed to function and through consciousness the senses work the way they are supposed to so that you can have the experience of passage of time and with passage of time, you can experience everything that we believe is real and through the experience of reality we give meaning to both love and hate/ good and evil e.t.c

I do agree consciousness does play apart in our decisions we make,

in the garden the serpent took advantage of the fact that the woman listens with both sides of the brain and man only half the brain.

some body functions we don’t think about running, like the heart and lungs, blinking and quite a bit of other things our body’s do automatically without any thought to it,

When a persons equilibrium is operating properly we don’t give balance any thought, but once the balance is tipped it’s a whole new experience.

my thyroid went bad around 40 I had no idea at first, other people noticed things about me and that led me to go to the doctor.

 

[Deade]

Still doesn't make any sense, doesn't matter if the shrubs could produce mist.

Duh! The mist is not from the shrub, it is a natural fog like we have today. The plants spoken of in these verses of Genesis are referring to crop plants grown in a field. Even like a grape vine in a vineyard. Let's read it again:

[RV] Gen. 2:5,6 "And no plant of the field was yet in the earth, and no herb of the field had yet sprung up: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground; but there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."

 

[Noose]

Duh! The mist is not from the shrub, it is a natural fog like we have today. The plants spoken of in these verses of Genesis are referring to crop plants grown in a field. Even like a grape vine in a vineyard. Let's read it again:

[RV] Gen. 2:5,6 "And no plant of the field was yet in the earth, and no herb of the field had yet sprung up: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground; but there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."

Is garden of Eden events an explanation of creation day 3?

 

[posthuman]

It is consciousness that keeps the body functioning the way it is supposed to function and through consciousness the senses work the way they are supposed to so that you can have the experience of passage of time and with passage of time, you can experience everything that we believe is real and through the experience of reality we give meaning to both love and hate/ good and evil e.t.c

Time passed for untold aeons while you had no consciousness.

Throughout this i have the sense you are attributing to the human mind the things that are of God's mind: for instance, existence. i existed long before you were ever conscious of me. Likewise, you. In a solipsistic sense one of us must be a figment of the others imagination but the existence of two people contradicts the assumption it is all a product of one human mind. The fourth wall crumbles the moment we interact.

Not so if you realize it is God's awareness of you that causes and upholds your existence. He holds all things together and by Him - not by human sentience - all things have their being.

The thief on the cross asked for one thing, which is enormously profound: that Christ remember him.
and this man found eternal life.

 

[Deade]

Is garden of Eden events an explanation of creation day 3?

Noose, you seem to be in your own Matrix like world. You claim nothing is real but only exists in man's mind. So I guess we are lying in life support beds being fed dreams like in the movie The Matrix? You also claim that past believers are assigned to possess the minds of new believers and that is how they live on. At least that is what I gleaned from your posts. Is that your take on the Kingdom of God?

 

[Noose]

Noose, you seem to be in your own Matrix like world. You claim nothing is real but only exists in man's mind. So I guess we are lying in life support beds being fed dreams like in the movie The Matrix. You also claim that past believers are assigned to possess the minds of new believers and that is how they live on. At least that is what I gleaned from your posts. Is that your take on the Kingdom of God?

That's right, the only real thing with respect to the universe is our collective consciousness, if a believer dies, that consciousness lives on by possessing a living believer.

 

[Noose]

Time passed for untold aeons while you had no consciousness.

Throughout this i have the sense you are attributing to the human mind the things that are of God's mind: for instance, existence. i existed long before you were ever conscious of me. Likewise, you. In a solipsistic sense one of us must be a figment of the others imagination but the existence of two people contradicts the assumption it is all a product of one human mind. The fourth wall crumbles the moment we interact.

Not so if you realize it is God's awareness of you that causes and upholds your existence. He holds all things together and by Him - not by human sentience - all things have their being.

The thief on the cross asked for one thing, which is enormously profound: that Christ remember him.
and this man found eternal life.

Because time is a construct of the mind, it can only be categorized as past (that which was experienced), present (that which we experience) and future (that which we predict based on past and present experience). And since past present and future are connected, existence is not disjointed but a continuing experience through the human mind and as we race towards the end, we are fast approaching the beginning. I do believe existence is a loop with the end and the beginning at the same point and eternity also proceeding from that point onward.
So as much as there is a past before i was conscious, i'm able to connect to existence in the past.

2 Pet 3: 5But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6through which the world of that time perished in the flood. 7And by that same word, the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

Peter here thinks that we are living in a new world (heavens and earth) because the past world perished when the people died, yet this current world is a continuation of the past world through the minds of those that lived at that time. So we are living in the new world but our consciousness connects us to the old one, i don't think the soil of the old earth disappeared, only the people disappeared.

 

[KnowMe]

Because time is a construct of the mind, it can only be categorized as past (that which was experienced), present (that which we experience) and future (that which we predict based on past and present experience). And since past present and future are connected, existence is not disjointed but a continuing experience through the human mind and as we race towards the end, we are fast approaching the beginning. I do believe existence is a loop with the end and the beginning at the same point and eternity also proceeding from that point onward.
So as much as there is a past before i was conscious, i'm able to connect to existence in the past.

2 Pet 3: 5But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6through which the world of that time perished in the flood. 7And by that same word, the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

Peter here thinks that we are living in a new world (heavens and earth) because the past world perished when the people died, yet this current world is a continuation of the past world through the minds of those that lived at that time. So we are living in the new world but our consciousness connects us to the old one, i don't think the soil of the old earth disappeared, only the people disappeared.

What peter said makes sense to me, Peter said world and that was pointing to the people of earth not the earth itself. He doesn’t say heavens of that time because he was speaking of the Wordly things distroyed not the heavens or earth.

 

[Noose]

What peter said makes sense to me, Peter said world and that was pointing to the people of earth not the earth itself. He doesn’t say heavens of that time because he was speaking of the Wordly things distroyed not the heavens or earth.

2 Pet 3: 5But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6through which the world of that time perished in the flood. 7And by that same word, the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

I think it's deeper than that. Paul is talking about judgement and judgement only applies to the people. The world then, whether earth alone or both heavens and earth was destroyed with the destruction of the ungodly. We both know that the earth continued to to exist because Noah and his family continued to dwell on earth. In the same manner, the current heavens and earth are reserved for judgement in which the ungodly will be destroyed- but believers will continue dwelling here and thus it will be a new heaven and earth.

 

[KnowMe]

2 Pet 3: 5But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6through which the world of that time perished in the flood. 7And by that same word, the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

I think it's deeper than that. Paul is talking about judgement and judgement only applies to the people. The world then, whether earth alone or both heavens and earth was destroyed with the destruction of the ungodly. We both know that the earth continued to to exist because Noah and his family continued to dwell on earth. In the same manner, the current heavens and earth are reserved for judgement in which the ungodly will be destroyed- but believers will continue dwelling here and thus it will be a new heaven and earth.

And so did peter he wasn’t delusional or anything he was using that word world to discribe the people and idols and buildings etc.

By that same word means by the breath of God.

today we have a lot more advance words to discribe things, back in the day they didn’t use the word population to discribe all the people on earth and the structures etc. the Bible uses world to discribe population. when the bible mentions earth it’s speaking of the earth itself.

the whole surface of earth can be distroyed the atmosphere distroyed the oceans trees grass all living things on it and left a complete waste land but that is only on the surface the earth is still present.

the present heavens and earth mentioned is representing the stars and planets will be distroyed along with the world population of coarse.

 

[SunnySky]

They ate a fruit—So what? Why would God both forbid them from eating from a particular tree and then get so angry at them for eating from it? It seems like such a silly thing to get angry over, doesn't it? Does God’s reaction really make sense? For one, this was a test of their free will. God did not get ticked off because they had eaten the fruit he was angry because their action was a symbol; it was a sign of rebellion, of sin, of rejection of God’s holiness. By choosing to go against God’s command, they demonstrated that they were making their choice. They chose Satan’s side over Gods. They exalted their own wills over God’s. They spat in the face of the Maximally Great Being. God did not have to forbid eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God could have chosen some other thing to prohibit Adam and Eve to prohibit doing. It just so happened that this tree provided an adequate test of Adam and Eve’s loyalty and they failed that test, sadly. This was the only commandment that they had been given at this point and they blew it! It was the sin, that forever altered the lifestyle of mankind. think about the magnitude their rebellion has had. After this, the Lord did not abolish their existence nor torture them to death. He provided a covering from animal skins for them, out of mercy. We would never know what the garden of eden would be like if they hadn’t sinned...but God knew that all along as well.

 

[posthuman]

That's right, the only real thing with respect to the universe is our collective consciousness, if a believer dies, that consciousness lives on by possessing a living believer.

ah is that what they told you when they wanted to enter and control you?

i seriously recommend running a virus scan on your program, and running some kind of firewall in the future...

 

[TLC209]

Wait the Garden Of Eden is parable? I thought It was actually literally taking seriously. I'm actually curious would life be differently. Were all human didn't have to die. Instead live enteral.

The garden of eden is not a parable and the guy that said it was a parable is mistaken. The account of adam and eve is not a parable. Jesus spoke in parables outside of that the bible is not a parable. Now as for the tree of life it caught my attention also and I loved how God placed a cherribim with a flaming sword to guard the way to the tree of life! Which for me gave me comfort to know the way of life has angels guarding the way with flaming sword. In Hebrews it speaks of the angels ministy is fire. So i correlate the two together I also correlate the tree of Life representing Jesus since He is the true way and eternal life.
In Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Now this is clear that the tree of Life exists and will be given to the saints who overcome the good fight and endure until the end. The tree of Life is found in paradise of God so it must be in heaven. We were cast out from heaven in the fall of man. This is not a parable or a fairy tale like cinderella. This is real life and historic events that took place before us and we were given redemption reconciliation through Christ Jesus to return with God the Father in heaven.