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TruthTalk

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This is true. If you've ever been locked up you know the first group of people all too well! They are out there, but you know what I can get where they are coming from. Maybe I should start a prison ministry! If the Lord calls me to it!
Talk to VCO he had a prison ministry.
 

FollowHisSteps

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Then set us all straight.
As God is your witness, were you previously on this site under the name "PeterJens"?
I like you, but not that much .... A wise man know who are his friends ....
I wonder how much privileged information you are given to handle .... :eek:
 

YourTruthGod

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Come to me and I will give you rest”
That is not about people who are tired of being good.

Some people want to work. They want to have power (or should I say REFUSE to give up power. They want to take credit, instead of giving credit to God. They want to boast in self. Instead of boasting in God.
Nowhere anywhere in the scriptures does it say what you do. Nowhere does it say it is shameful to obey Jesus' commands.
In one breath they will say their security is in christ. In the other they will say their security is in how hard they work, And to excuse this contradiction in their own mind, they will attack others of not wanting to work, Of not wanting to Grow.
Tell me this, what are you doing if you are NOT obeying?

Of thinking it is ok to live however we want, and how much we love sin, and have no desire to grow, and HATE doing the work of God

Who hates doing the work of God? Did the pharisees?
The Pharisees DID NOT OBEY.
Can't you believe anything the Bible says?


Did the jews? They loved doing the work of God. Thats why they were seen as righteous because they were law followers.

No one hates doing the work of God. But doing the work of God (being obedient to certain laws) does not mean your saved. Judas walked wiht god for 3 years. Yet he was so good at obaying Christ no one thought for even a second when Jesus said one here was going to betray hi, that it was Judas.
WHAT?!!!!
He was stealing from the money collected to give to the poor!!!

People are in our churches, they are consistend, they give to the church, they don’t do all the major sins, and they fellowship with Gods children, but they do not know God at all.. This is not new, it is all over the NT, Thats why time after time we are told to test our faith. Test our conviction, Test our motivation. Test our salvation.
They don't do major sins?!
We are supposed to give up sins for Jesus like humble ourselves and forgive others, and not to lust in our heart, or hate.

Are we obeing BECAUSE we are saved, or are we fooling ourselves and thing this obedience and this walk is what in the end determines if we are saved or not.
It is never ever wrong to obey Jesus!
Jesus himself said people who have never been saved have cast out demons and done all kinds of work, and they will use this as the reason God should let them in, But jesus will not only declair he never knew them (they were never saved) but he will tell them to depart.
They didn't repent of their sins. Jesus will NOT know you until you repent of your sins.

Because although they CLAIMED to be a God follower and obedient, they continued in sin, because they NEVER came to faith in Christ through TRUE repentance. Which leads to salvation (their repentance was superficial. And in the end, their faith was not in God. But in works. Even thought they will fight tooth and nail their faith and assurance is in christ.
What you say has no sound of truth.
 

Budman

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I like you, but not that much .... A wise man know who are his friends ....
I wonder how much privileged information you are given to handle .... :eek:

Stop being a coward.

As God is your witness, were you previously on this site under the name "PeterJens"?
 

FollowHisSteps

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Stop being a coward.
As God is your witness, were you previously on this site under the name "PeterJens"?
You have got me so right there ... so insightful ...
I wonder if you understand what courage is .... no I thought not ....
 

YourTruthGod

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Children of God get to heaven

People who are not children of God do not

How do we become a child of God? By recieveing him, in faith (john 1)

Once again, the failure of one to admit he preaches works, when everyone who reads what they post KNOWS otherwise. Is just mind boggling.
Children of God are in the realm of the Spirit now.
 

FollowHisSteps

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Either as your brother in Christ, or your enemy, are you not supposed to love me?
I do love you, but I seem to not be able to contact the real budman, whoever they are.
I have tried making contact with some here, but rock is probably the real measure of it all.

And this media is very restrictive. The best contact is in common spiritual experiences and
shared knowledge in Christ. But again these seems to draw a blank.

How do you love someone you will never know except a few words on a page? :cry:
 

Budman

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You have got me so right there ... so insightful ...
I wonder if you understand what courage is .... no I thought not ....

I know if you are not Peterjens, you would have no problem saying so.

So, once again, as God is your witness, were you previously on this site under the name "PeterJens"?
 

FollowHisSteps

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How do you make friends?

I have known a guy for 15 years and he will still phone and introduce himself like a stranger.
It is strange but some as so protected that to make contact is almost not possible because
anything vulnerable is not allowed anywhere near.

I was impressed with King David whose friend Jonathan really connected. But this is probably
rare. In Christ we hope for more, an eternal more :)
 

Budman

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How do you make friends?

I have known a guy for 15 years and he will still phone and introduce himself like a stranger.
It is strange but some as so protected that to make contact is almost not possible because
anything vulnerable is not allowed anywhere near.

I was impressed with King David whose friend Jonathan really connected. But this is probably
rare. In Christ we hope for more, an eternal more :)
As God is your witness, were you previously on this site under the name "PeterJens"?
 

FollowHisSteps

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As God is your witness, were you previously on this site under the name "PeterJens"?
All you know is what I tell you. And that is my privilege. How long have you got?
Do you think I am going to answer you, as if you have a hold over me?

It is like talking to some people, they demand my response, tell me how I should answer,
when and where, what I can and cannot say. The absurd notion is on a public arena built
for exchanges that this works. And what do the other party gain or lose? A non respectful
interchange marked with a lack of simple mature interaction, this is what makes me laugh
and reminds me how tin pot dictators hate being put in their place :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
 

YourTruthGod

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As God is your witness, were you previously on this site under the name "PeterJens"?
I know I would not knowingly come back to a site while I was banned. However, so what if someone cares that way about this site and comes back?
 

Budman

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Jesus says obey and you are the one who says we don't have to obey. So you are the one who makes him a liar.
By adding works to keep salvation, you are calling the Lord a liar who doesn't know what "never" or "eternal" means.
 

Budman

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Do you think I am going to answer you, as if you have a hold over me?
I am asking you to stop your little act. To stop being deceptive and to come clean. You have your little obedience dog and pony show that you love to trot out. Doing your little self-righteous dance while making demands on the behavior of others.

But when push comes to shove, you sink back into your deception and sin. You are breaking the rules of this site while up there on your high horse.

If you are NOT the former Peterjens - JUST SAY SO!

So, yet again, as God is your witness, were you previously on this site under the name "PeterJens"?

C'mon. Shut my mouth and all the other mouths here who accuse you.

Do it.