The Holy Spirit is Jesus.

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"The things of God are revealed by the Holy Spirit, and do not come from the heart of man.* Correct interpretation of the Bible is therefore impossible without the illuminating work of the Holy Spirit in the mind and heart of the believer. God's Spirit must enlighten human darkness - not as an addition to our wisdom, but as the absolutely essential source of the only true wisdom - first of all in order that we may be born again, and secondly so that we may understand His Word properly."
'Praise God'
Yes, the things of God can only be understood by His Spirit, I agree, and this is what God in His word says. :)

How can I deny that Jesus is the Christ when I have shown you from Scripture that He is the Son? The Son is the Christ, not the Holy Spirit.

So if you are promoting the idea that the Holy Spirit is Christ, that is FALSE DOCTRINE. You are making God a liar according to the Scriptures shown below.

1 JOHN 5
1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him...
6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
1. There is only one God.
Do you agree?

2. God is Holy.
Do you agree?

3. God is a Spirit.
Do you agree?

4. God is a Father.
Do you agree?

5. God is Jesus.
Do you agree?

6. God takes on flesh.
Do you agree?

7. God is the Christ.
Do you agree?

8. Jesus is the Christ.
Do you agree?

The Father, and the Son.
Jesus Christ.


If you deny that Jesus is the Holy Spirit, you do not have Him in you.
How can Jesus Christ be in you, if He is not the Holy Spirit?
How can Jesus speak from heaven, if He is not the Holy Spirit, - when He speaks with Paul?

He is the Holy Spirit, and He is the Father. Revealed as man, the Christ.
See also in the verses you mention, - "He that hath the Son, hath life."

Why? Because the Son is the Holy Spirit (for God is Holy, and He is a Spirit.)
The lifegiving Spirit.
That's also the only reason one can have Him.
Because He indwells you.

2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
 

miknik5

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I wonder sometimes if GOD is amused by us. I hope HE is
Matthew 1:23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.” (NKJV Strong's,)

The Father comes as a Son, it is a modelling principle “pattern” for the sons of God. God does not come as a Father, giving us an example as a Father for we cannot be the Father.

Romans 8:14 - For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. (NKJV Strong's,)

Can God not speak to Himself? Are not all things possible for Him who has created us?
there is of course only one way a man can enter the world.

He has to be a son
And he has to have a father.
 

miknik5

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I wonder sometimes if GOD is amused by our trying to figure everything out

I really hope so
 
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I wonder sometimes if GOD is amused by our trying to figure everything out

I really hope so
Sometimes I wonder if God even has a sense of humor.
 

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Yes, the things of God can only be understood by His Spirit, I agree, and this is what God in His word says. :)



1. There is only one God.
Do you agree?

2. God is Holy.
Do you agree?

3. God is a Spirit.
Do you agree?

4. God is a Father.
Do you agree?

5. God is Jesus.
Do you agree?

6. God takes on flesh.
Do you agree?

7. God is the Christ.
Do you agree?

8. Jesus is the Christ.
Do you agree?

The Father, and the Son.
Jesus Christ.


If you deny that Jesus is the Holy Spirit, you do not have Him in you.
How can Jesus Christ be in you, if He is not the Holy Spirit?
How can Jesus speak from heaven, if He is not the Holy Spirit, - when He speaks with Paul?

He is the Holy Spirit, and He is the Father. Revealed as man, the Christ.
See also in the verses you mention, - "He that hath the Son, hath life."

Why? Because the Son is the Holy Spirit (for God is Holy, and He is a Spirit.)
The lifegiving Spirit.
That's also the only reason one can have Him.
Because He indwells you.

2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
You are on target, pay no attention to those over-simplifying trinity proponents. When we get to be with God, we will have the dark glass removed and will be able to understand it all.

1 Cor. 13:12
"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." :cool:
 

Dino246

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5. God is Jesus. ... 7. God is the Christ.
These two statements are fallacies of composition. Jesus is God, but God is not "just" Jesus. The anointed One ("Christ") is God, but God is not "just" Christ. If He were, by Whom would He be anointed?

If you deny that Jesus is the Holy Spirit, you do not have Him in you.
This is wrongheaded and is not scripturally sound.

Jesus cannot be the Holy Spirit. He was mortal flesh and is resurrected flesh. Jesus didn't descend on Himself at His baptism. Jesus didn't overshadow Mary rendering her pregnant.
 
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Who here agrees to this?
Some people believe in a trinity, and some believe in one God with no distinction of persons.

The Bible says there is one God, so they cannot escape that.

But they say there is 3 persons in one God, but then they say God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, in which they are saying there is 3 Gods.

So is there 3 persons in one God, or is there 3 Gods, for if they say all 3 persons is God then they are saying 3 Gods, and it would go against the Bible that there is one God, and if they say there is 3 persons in one God then it would take all 3 persons to make one God, which then no member of the trinity could be God alone if it takes all 3 persons to be one God, so each one of them is not entirely God without the other 2 persons.

But then falsehood will have it's obvious contradictions.

2Ch 6:18 But will God in very deed dwell with men on the earth? behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house which I have built!

2Ch 7:16 For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.

Isa 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

God is an omnipresent Spirit that occupies all space.

They say that all 3 persons are co-equal, but how can all 3 persons be an omnipresent Spirit for they would overlap each other.

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things.

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

The Bible only attributes the Father as being God, for there is only one God who created all things.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

The Son shall be called the everlasting Father, for there is only one God the Father, and Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.

Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

That is why Jesus said if you have seen Me then you have seen the Father, for He is God manifest in the flesh, and there is only one God, the Father.

Joh 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
Joh 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

Jesus told the disciples when He resurrects to heaven that they are not to ask Him anything, but only ask the Father and He will do it.

Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

But in another passage of scripture Jesus said ask Him, and He will do it.

Jesus said only ask the Father, and He will do it, but Jesus said ask Him, and He will do it.

That is because there is only one God the Father, and Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.

The disciples were not to ask the man Christ Jesus anything when He resurrects to heaven, for they dealt with Him on earth, but to ask Jesus as God, and He will do it.

Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Jesus is the Spirit.

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.
Rom 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

There is only one God who is a Holy Spirit, and Father is a title for God, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.

Not 3 persons in one God, but the three relationships God has with His people designated by titles.

Father- parent of the saints.

Son- God visible relationship to the saints.

Holy Spirit- God's invisible relationship to the saints.

But the same God with no distinction of persons.

Continued,
 
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Continued,

The Bible plainly states that there is only one God the Father, and He said there was no God beside Him, and there was no God formed before Him, and there shall be no God formed after Him.

And the Son shall be called the everlasting Father, and if you have seen Jesus then you have seen the Father, and to not ask the Son anything, but only ask the Father, and He will do it, but then Jesus said ask Him, and He will do it.

For Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, God and man, and there is only one God the Father, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus, not a second person of a trinity.

And Jesus is the Spirit for God is a Spirit, and there is only one God, not 3 persons in one God.

1. Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, which those are not names, but titles, and it is singular, name, which the name is Jesus.

Which the Father said in the Old Testament that He would reveal a new name to the Jews, and speak to them.

Which Jesus said if you have seen Me then you have seen the Father, and the words that I speak are not My own, but the Father that dwells in Me, He does the works.

And Jesus said He came in His Father's name.

The prophet Agur asked what is God's name, and what is His Son's name, if you can tell, which means they will share the same name, for Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, so it is the name of both the Father and Son.

The name of the Father is Jesus.

The Bible says that the Son inherited the name from the Father.

The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, for there is only one God with no distinction of persons that created all things, came in flesh, and dwells in the saints.

2. Jesus is at the right hand of God.

There is one throne in heaven, and one who sits on that throne, which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus, and God's visible relationship to the saints forever.

Jesus said that all power is given unto Him in heaven and earth.

There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

The Son must reign until His enemies are conquered, then the Son shall submit to God, even the Father, that God may be all in all.

The man Christ Jesus is our Savior, for only a sinless man can approach a holy God to reconcile the world unto God, but no man is sinless so God manifest Himself in flesh, and reconciled the world unto Himself in the person of Jesus Christ, God and man in harmony.

God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power, be at His right hand, until His enemies are conquered, and when they are conquered, and the saints are with Jesus, then the Son shall cease exercising the throne of power, stop being at the right hand, and submit to God that God may be all in all.

Jesus is not sitting on a throne next to the Father, and the only person we will see in heaven is Jesus, for if you have seen Jesus then you have seen the Father.

3. Let us make man in our image.

Adam created in the image of God.

Adam made in the similitude of Christ.

The image of God is the image of Christ.

Which is the Word that was at the beginning, and became flesh, which the Word is the plan of God to come in the future in flesh, and reveal Himself.

God had the plan to come in the future in flesh, and created Adam in that image, which is an innocent nature in flesh.

So the let us create man in our image has to include the man Christ Jesus for He is part of that image.

So it is a prophetic statement to the coming Son of God, God the Father, and the man Christ Jesus, and that is the let us make man in our image.

Which God calls things that have not happened yet, as though they already happened, for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future, it is the same as if it happened in the beginning, for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance.

Which the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world, and the prophets blood shed from the foundation of the world, although they were future events.

So the man Christ Jesus can exist in the beginning before He is born, for God calls things that have not happened yet, as though they already happened.

Which Jesus is the beginning of creation, and the firstborn among the creatures, even though He was not born until 4000 years later.

Let us make man in our image is God, and the man Christ Jesus, for Adam was made in the similitude of Him to come, Christ.

With all that information people will still ignore the truth, for denominations have a hold on many people, and the denominations are getting worse, and people calling themselves Christian, as Scientology, Christian Science, and the such, until the world will only want to accept the Bible according to the new age movement interpretation of it.

It is a shame how many people have made a mockery out of the word of God, but that is in their own mind, and among people, for in reality you can never make a mockery of the word of God, for it will always be the truth and stand.

The Bible plainly states that there is only one God, the Father, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

But they say not so, but there is a trinity, like they say not so among many of God's truths, and believe something else.
 

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I wonder sometimes if GOD is amused by our trying to figure everything out

I really hope so
God gives understanding to some people. Anyone can get the understanding but they have to do what Jesus says to do to get it.
 

miknik5

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God gives understanding to some people. Anyone can get the understanding but they have to do what Jesus says to do to get it.
I know the TRUTH sir. A poster prior to Matt stated correctly THE TRUTH.

He started his post with “as long as....”


I’ll sum it up.

JESUS
 

miknik5

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Even reference to psalm 2...”kiss THE SON”...is sufficient.
 

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I know the TRUTH sir. A poster prior to Matt stated correctly THE TRUTH.

He started his post with “as long as....”


I’ll sum it up.

JESUS
You said you hope God is amused at you trying to figure things out.
 

miknik5

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I wonder sometimes if GOD is amused by our trying to figure everything out

I really hope so
I said our. It was said more from my own observation of the back and forth exchange here on this thread
 

miknik5

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I don't think we can figure out more than what is written.
I don’t think we need to. Just as 1 John 2 clearly states and 2 John 1 clearly warns against.

Keep ever before you what you began in (1 John 2) and don’t progress above the head (2 John 1)