Proof?

[physicist]

Hey everyone I know I haven't been on in awhile but I have a question. I am doing a persuasive speech for my theater class, and my topic is Creation vs Evolution...naturally I am on the creation side. I am trying to prove evolution is wrong. I know the basic proof from the Bible but so does everyone else...including non-Christians. If that has not convinced them already i need deeper more hard facts to prove that the Bible is true to strong atheist and non-Christians. So if anyone could give me any proof from the bible that is supported well enough to present to a crowd of non-believers your help wold be greatly appreciated... Oh yeah! not to sound picky but if you have a website could you leave a link or the url THANKS!

 

[xJoe]

Look up law of conservation of mass
matter cannot be created/destroyed
Say if matter can't be created or destroyed where did it come from? Did it create itself? Or did God create it, what makes more sense?
Say this. When did a bear learn how to hibernate during the winter? Did one bear decide to sleep for months and then they all followed? Does that make any sense? All the bears would of died off if they did not hibernate.
How did cells evolve then decide to be male and female? How did cells know how to reproduce, how did they become people?
Why do we not see things currently evolving?
some ideas

 

[MaggieMye]

Kent Hovind has some good stuff, if you got the time...check out his web site.

The truth is...evolution is a THEORY...and so far SCIENCE has proven the mutation of one form into a new and higher function form to be FALSE!

 

[trust_in_the_name]

Hey everyone I know I haven't been on in awhile but I have a question. I am doing a persuasive speech for my theater class, and my topic is Creation vs Evolution...naturally I am on the creation side. I am trying to prove evolution is wrong. I know the basic proof from the Bible but so does everyone else...including non-Christians. If that has not convinced them already i need deeper more hard facts to prove that the Bible is true to strong atheist and non-Christians. So if anyone could give me any proof from the bible that is supported well enough to present to a crowd of non-believers your help wold be greatly appreciated... Oh yeah! not to sound picky but if you have a website could you leave a link or the url THANKS!

The modern form of creationism is called intelligent design. The Discovery Institute has information and resources related to this.

Discovery Institute

Intelligent design - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do a Google search for intelligent design and you'll get a lot of info.

Also, in terms of physics, look up the cosmological fine-tuning argument, which we discussed recently in this thread:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/19818-just-question.html

 

[trust_in_the_name]

Hey everyone I know I haven't been on in awhile but I have a question. I am doing a persuasive speech for my theater class, and my topic is Creation vs Evolution...naturally I am on the creation side. I am trying to prove evolution is wrong. I know the basic proof from the Bible but so does everyone else...including non-Christians. If that has not convinced them already i need deeper more hard facts to prove that the Bible is true to strong atheist and non-Christians. So if anyone could give me any proof from the bible that is supported well enough to present to a crowd of non-believers your help wold be greatly appreciated... Oh yeah! not to sound picky but if you have a website could you leave a link or the url THANKS!

Kent Hovind has some good stuff, if you got the time...check out his web site.

It may be worth noting that Kent Hovind is a young-Earth creationist (YEC), which is the position that the universe and Earth were created some six thousand years ago in a literal six-day period. You said you'll be presenting this to non-believers, so this would be a great position to take if you want to make people laugh. If stand-up comedy and dinosaurs wearing saddles is not your thing, there are a lot of other positions (such as the above-mentioned intelligent design, and old-Earth creationism [OEC]) which aren't in direct opposition to common sense.

 

[trust_in_the_name]

The truth is...evolution is a THEORY...

That's correct. It is a theory. It's essential to keep in mind, however, that the word "theory" in science has a different meaning than it does in everyday, colloquial usage. For example, at dictionary.com the two meanings are given as such:

The colloquial meaning of "theory":

a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.

This colloquial meaning of "theory" is synonymous with the the words "hypothesis" or "conjecture."

The meaning of "theory" in science:

a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.

The theory of relativity is given as an example. The theory of evolution is a scientific theory, so it is a theory in the scientific sense of the word. However, it is not a theory in the colloquial sense: it is neither a hypothesis nor a conjecture.

 

[Sean4JC]

Kind of a tough topic for a Theater class, whether it was pre-chosen topic or you chose it, you'll have a strong task at hand. For the age range you're speaking to, I don't know if using tough scientific jargon will make a strong impression but I suppose whatever you can muster will be ok. Then you also have to be careful if you come across too preachy, you may end up not doing well on the assignment. I'm not saying to water down the message but use the best method for the limited time you will have. Maybe I'd summarize it this way:
-Law of thermodynamics....must have had a beginning, evolution would suggest the big bang creates chaos. In a Way of the Master series, Ray Comfort says to ask an evolutionist, if you have an empty garage, see about waiting 10 years to see if a Mercedes will form, then 20, then 100, etc. and evolutionists suggest that billions of years have occured to create the beautiful world around us. Chaos/big bang creates disorder, not order
-Building/Painting....How do I know there was a Painter? The Painting is evidence of a Painter...a building is evidence of a builder..creation is evidence of a Creator

To lighten the mood of the talk, maybe I'd do the following. This was done by Ray Comfort during a speech and he talked about the evolution of the soda can. Millions of years ago, there were a mess of chemicals, over time the chemicals formed together to make a soda, a metal can eventually formed around the soda, paint slowly appeared around the can, and a tab later developed for ease of access. I think if you start off with something like that, to make it kind of comical, then go into the serious, may get people thinking about how absurd evolution (and atheism) really are. Obviously, you would want to find the exact dialogue Comfort uses and cite the soda can example that he gave behind the story. I hope it goes well
Sean

 

[loveschild]

Hey everyone I know I haven't been on in awhile but I have a question. I am doing a persuasive speech for my theater class, and my topic is Creation vs Evolution...naturally I am on the creation side. I am trying to prove evolution is wrong. I know the basic proof from the Bible but so does everyone else...including non-Christians. If that has not convinced them already i need deeper more hard facts to prove that the Bible is true to strong atheist and non-Christians. So if anyone could give me any proof from the bible that is supported well enough to present to a crowd of non-believers your help wold be greatly appreciated... Oh yeah! not to sound picky but if you have a website could you leave a link or the url THANKS!

Tell them if we evolved from monkeys why aren't monkeys turning into people before our eyes now.

 

[trust_in_the_name]

Tell them if we evolved from monkeys why aren't monkeys turning into people before our eyes now.

That would be a straw man, since human evolution from monkeys is not entailed (no pun intended) by evolutionary theory.

Evolutionary theory would suggest that monkeys and humans have a common ancestor, but of course a common ancestor would not entail monkeys evolving into humans.

 

[pickles]

Im one that goes by faith.
But I often say: evolution is mans best explanation of God"s creation.
And man is always changing his explanation.

Im not sure where to find the info on this, I just remember reading about it.
There was a skull of a woman found that predates any other, and does not show any sign of evolution.
Only it does show that all dna we have, can be traced to this skull.
Sorry I can not offer more.

God bless.
pickles

 

[Slepsog4]

6 literal days is not a laughing matter. It is the common sense reading of the biblical text. One has to import foreign ideas or doubts into the text to arrive at an old earth position.

http://www.drdino.com/

http://www.answersingenesis.org/

http://apologeticspress.org/

 

[kayem77]

This site have a lot of good points you can use!
Theory of Creation
go to Learn Creation segment and you'll find the most debated topics. I hope it helps you, good luck!

 

[kayem77]

Sorry, I don't know why I couldn't show the link:S here it is...
http://library.thinkquest.org/29178/crtheory.htm

 

[physicist]

Thanks to everyone for your advice and encouragement. I really did not expect anyone to answer so quickly. Well again thank you for the advice and support, keep me in your prayers.

 

[Zossima]

From what I see in the replies given so far, all are missing the point. If all you do is compare evolution and creationism, then the only thing you will prove is the obvious: they are different belief systems. You don't prove one thing wrong by comparing it to something else. If evolutionary theory is wrong, you will have to find the error within the theory. It is really quit simple: science is based on the study of observable data. If a process is to be scientifically explained, it must be reproducible in a laboratory setting so that controlled tests can be performed to prove or disprove proposed theories. Because evolutionary theory attempts to explain the origin of life, it must forever remain a theory because it deals with something which cannot be scientifically observed. In other words, it is scientifically unprovable.
There is a lesson here for all of you on this website who disagree with various belief systems: you can make comparisons from now until the cows come home and all you will do is prove the obvious, the belief systems are different. If you want to demonstrate a belief system is false, you must find an irreconcilable error in its logic. Comparison can only prove difference, it cannot prove a belief system to be wrong. That means you are going to have to take the time to study what you believe is wrong and find the fundamental error. I am afraid most of you are probably not interested enough to go to that length of effort.

the sinner, Zossima

 

[trust_in_the_name]

From what I see in the replies given so far, all are missing the point. If all you do is compare evolution and creationism, then the only thing you will prove is the obvious: they are different belief systems. You don't prove one thing wrong by comparing it to something else. If evolutionary theory is wrong, you will have to find the error within the theory. It is really quit simple: science is based on the study of observable data. If a process is to be scientifically explained, it must be reproducible in a laboratory setting so that controlled tests can be performed to prove or disprove proposed theories. Because evolutionary theory attempts to explain the origin of life, it must forever remain a theory because it deals with something which cannot be scientifically observed. In other words, it is scientifically unprovable.

Evolutionary theory doesn't attempt to explain the origin of life. That's a common misconception, but it's simply not true. Evolutionary theory explains the process by which life evolved after it had already originated. The origin of life, referred to by scientists as abiogenesis, is an open question in science, and doesn't really have anything to do with the theory of evolution.

However, your point is a still relevant, since the evolution of life happened in the past over billions of years and therefore cannot be directly observed in the present. Evolutionary scientists are in the position of detectives who come late to the scene of a crime.

There is a lesson here for all of you on this website who disagree with various belief systems: you can make comparisons from now until the cows come home and all you will do is prove the obvious, the belief systems are different. If you want to demonstrate a belief system is false, you must find an irreconcilable error in its logic. Comparison can only prove difference, it cannot prove a belief system to be wrong. That means you are going to have to take the time to study what you believe is wrong and find the fundamental error. I am afraid most of you are probably not interested enough to go to that length of effort.

That's very often true, and even in this thread it's already been demonstrated.

the sinner, Zossima

 

[Cleante]

Kent Hovind has some good stuff, if you got the time...check out his web site.

The truth is...evolution is a THEORY...and so far SCIENCE has proven the mutation of one form into a new and higher function form to be FALSE!

“This textbook contains material on Gravity. Universal Gravity is a theory, not a fact, regarding the natural law of attraction. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered.”

I find the above quote hilarious, yet sad. Gravity is a theory, why not attack that too?

Show me the science that backs up your claim that "SCIENCE has proven the mutation of one form into a new and higher function form to be FALSE!" I can TYPE IN CAPS TO TRY AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE I AM A CREDIBLE AND AUTHORITATIVE SOURCE WITHOUT PROVIDING ANY LINKS TO PEER-REVIEWED JOURNALS. Get on JSTOR, Web of Science, and/or Google Scholar and show me the evidence.

 

[Israel]

There was an episode on Family Guy in where Peter was filming a bag blowing in the wind. He was amazed at what he called "nature's dance". Then the episode shows God (of course a cartoon of him) in the clouds yelling " what are you doing, it's just a bag blowing in the wind! DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW COMPLICATED YOUR CIRCULATORY SYSTEM IS!" It was funny, but it is the truth. The proof is US!

I used to say to people, put all the raw ingredients to make, say a VCR, in a bag, shake it up and see if by chance in your lifetime it comes out a VCR! It takes a designer to make a VCR. It also took a DESIGNER to make even your circulatory system.

 

[DanuckInUSA]

Dont try and bend the spoon that is impossible, instead realize there is no spoon.

Don't show them how evolution is wrong show them how Creation is right. Overwhelm them with the majesty of Creation.

 

[dmdave17]

Dear Physicist,

Depending on the time you have available, I would recommend that you visit the website of Genesis Foundation. In their charter they state, "
Moreover we believe that Scripture is fully consistent with modern knowledge, and that every objection against the Bible can be dislodged either through hidden presuppositions, or because of honest confusion over the subject matter.
We invite you to examine how modern knowledge blends with Scripture by listening to a lecture or viewing a video, or by reading some of our materials. We believe that it will prove most rewarding.
If there is anything that We can do to help clarify anything, or to assist by suggesting specific items to help provide answers to a particular question, please do not hesitate to contact us."

If this duplicates someone else's post, I apologize. If not I hope this helps.