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Budman

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Chester said:
Ask him what happens if Christian starts sinning and sins like a Hitlar - what happens? LOL!
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How many sins attributed to us will damn us?

One.

Good thing, through Christ, we have no attributed sins.
 
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Budman said:
"Step by step" being the sins you willfully commit daily?
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If we commit the same sins daily and you do so willfully, then we are spiritually very sick and need to seek healing from the Great Physician. Not sit around and talk as if it's acceptable.
 
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Macabeus said:
By your argument, I can say "oh, I just got angry at someone and said a thoughtless word" and having a untamed tongue all the time are the same thing. It's an absurd argument when you take it to it's logical conclusion
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Wrong. If sins are attributed to us, be they 1 or 1,000,000, the penalty is exactly the same.
 
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Budman said:
Again, what good deeds can a Christian do that an atheist cannot? You realize Mormons do TONS of good works.

Does that prove they're saved?
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Again, man sees the outward appearance, but God sees the heart. Which is why I don't examine other people's fruit. You accused me of this, and I say you are a liar, so I challenge you again, show me one post where I examined another person's fruit in regards to salvation. You can't. Because you are a false accuser, liar, which is the work of satan.
 
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Macabeus said:
If we commit the same sins daily and you do so willfully, then we are spiritually very sick and need to seek healing from the Great Physician. Not sit around and talk as if it's acceptable.
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Every sin you commit is willful. You make a decision every time to sin or not. So stop deflecting.
 
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Macabeus said:
Again, man sees the outward appearance, but God sees the heart. Which is why I don't examine other people's fruit. You accused me of this, and I say you are a liar, so I challenge you again, show me one post where I examined another person's fruit in regards to salvation. You can't. Because you are a false accuser, liar, which is the work of satan.
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Did you or did you not repeatedly say fruit is the proof one's salvation is "genuine"?

Yes or no?
 
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Budman said:
Wrong. If sins are attributed to us, be they 1 or 1,000,000, the penalty is exactly the same.
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Again, for about the seventh time. A person is not saved or lost based on how many sins they commit or don't commit. They are saved by grace through faith. But if a person habitually and willfully sins, that is, according to Jesus and the apostles, showing the real condition of their heart.

Refute this using scripture.You can.t
 
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Chester said:
LOL! You are funny! I know very well what the Greek perfect tense means. I have been studying and teaching it for many years.

It doesn't matter what you want the text to say: that does not change what it actually says!
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Everyone who is believing HAS BEEN born of God.
 
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Budman said:
If you sin every day (which you do) that is the very definition of habitual and willful.
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According to Romans 7, it is not.

I use the Bible. You use your own thoughts. That's the basic difference between us.

If you are right, then according to 1 John, we're ALL lost. SO you might want to reexamine your theology

Whoever sins (present) has not se en Him or known Him
 
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Budman said:
If you sin every day (which you do) that is the very definition of habitual and willful.
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People are not willing to recognize the dual nature of walking in the Spirit or walking in the flesh for the believer.
The church at Corinth comes to mind.
 
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UnderGrace said:
People are not willing to recognize the dual nature of walking in the Spirit or walking in the flesh for the believer.
The church at Corinth comes to mind.
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Walking in flesh or walking in the Spirit is the choice WE make.

I still want the liars to show me where I examined anyone's fruit in regard to salvation. If you don't, it means that everyone who said it is A LIAR.
 
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Macabeus said:
Walking in flesh or walking in the Spirit is the choice WE make.
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I still want the liars to show me, provide post number, where I examined anyone's fruit in regard to salvation. If you don't, it means that everyone who said it is A LIAR.
 
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UnderGrace said:
People are not willing to recognize the dual nature of walking in the Spirit or walking in the flesh for the believer.
The church at Corinth comes to mind.
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Romans8

9 You, however, are not under the control of the human nature but under the control of the Spirit, since God's Spirit lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of the Messiah, he does not belong to him.


10 But if the Messiah is in you, your bodies are dead due to sin, but the spirit is alive due to righteousness.
 
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Macabeus said:
According to Romans 7, it is not.
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No. According to your interpretation of Romans 7.

If one does the same thing every single day of their life without fail - that is absolutely habitual. And since all sin is willful (because if it wasn't, one could use that as an excuse before God) your whole premise crumbles.
 
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