CHALLENGE ANSWERED #1

Devolution · Feb 25, 2011

O for a little folly.

We are all men. We are all fighting the flesh together, fighting our own personal wars against sin. Is it not logical that there are levels of personal success during this private war. Where percentages of followers have defeated many battles and are nearing that stage where what remainders of sin MUST be purged by HIM alone at His coming when He perfects us...lest any man boast?

So THESE "special forces" LOL, are honed and focused and given specialized weapons and training to CONTINUE further than "regular troops" as reward for their dedication and perseverance? Do not we see examples of this in EVERY "profession" in the world? Is it so disgusting to some that this is true? Does it hurt so badly that some are indeed finding success? Is this Christian behavior to detest the loyalty rewarded in a fellow brethren ? You can judge, i am undeterred.

Ezekiel 13
V10: Because, even because they have seduced My people, saying, peace, and there was no peace, and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered mortar,
v11: Say unto them which daub it with untempered mortar, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower, and ye, O great HAILSTONES, shall fall, and a stormy wind shall rend it.
v12: Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it?

trust_in_the_name · Feb 25, 2011

zone said:

5 Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, "I will never leave you nor forsake you." (Hebrews 13:5)

I agree, He won't. But we aren't talking about Him leaving us. We're talking about us leaving Him. I posted those OT verses in reference to Solomon specifically. However, the NT says the same thing.

These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God. (1 John 5:13)

Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you. (1 Timothy 4:16)

If we endure, we shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us. (2 Timothy 2:12)

But you must continue in the things which you have learned . . ." (2 Timothy 3:14)

Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. (Romans 11:22)

etc.

This is just a small sampling but I can expound further if necessary.

zone · Feb 25, 2011

trust_in_the_name said:

NO THANKS.
I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
but i have zero intention of denying my Saviour, or not continuing.

journey41 · Feb 25, 2011

DanuckInUSA said:

Dear Scorner, that picture of Jesus that you have attached to your name to PUBLICLY SHOW all the world that you believe in him is an abomination. YOU DENY that very one with YOUR WORDS and you DO NOT HEAR HIS VOICE.

The catholics need pictures 'to remember' because the word is not in their heart.

Jeusus is so much more than a picture, If you have faith you do not need idols & icons. We do not need to see someones version of what they think Christ looks like. Read revelations 1:13-16, That will give you a clear picture of his form now in all his power. Read the Word of God in the holy bible, that will show you who the real Jesus is. Jesus is Spirit (The Word of God) and those who worship him must be worship in Sprit and in Truth. Hear his voice..the Word of God. Those of little faith need pictures. You need to hear his word, his voice...Now thats powerful.

To accuse Devo of being a prophet is trying to stir up trouble and sow discord amongst bethren. Devo never said he was a prophet. The prophets to come are the two witnessess. Devo is not saying anything that is not mentioned in the scriptures. He, like myself is showing you church taught that they have not been feeding you the truth and... TO GO BACK TO THE SCRIPTURES. DO NOT BELIEVE ANOTHER DOCTRINE THAT YOUR CHURCH HAS MADE UP. Look at the churches fruits, they behave worse than unbelievers I know.

I know unbelievers that have have more respect and would never act or talk like this to us when hearing the word. Why? they havn't been contimanted by rude church people. SOME OF THEM HAVE MORE CHANCE IN COMING INTO THE KINGDOM NOW THAN YOU.
read Math 21:28-31

superdave5221 · Feb 25, 2011

Devolution said:

Really?

1 Corinthians 15: 20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. 21 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own order : Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming, We will all be made alive, like Christ.

Luke 24: 36 While they were telling these things, He Himself stood in their midst and said to them, "Peace be to you." 37 But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit. 38 And He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts ? 39 "See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself ; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." 40 And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. 41 While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, "Have you anything here to eat ?" 42 They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish ; 43 and He took it and ate it before them. Do spirits eat?

John 20: 26 After eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst and said, "Peace be with you." 27 Then He said to Thomas, "Reach here with your finger, and see My hands ; and reach here your hand and put it into My side ; and do not be unbelieving, but believing." 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God !" 29 Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed ? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed." Did Thomas reach inside and feel a spirit?

Scotth1960 · Feb 25, 2011

Devolution said:

WE UNDERSTAND WHATS BEHIND THE MOCKINGS WE ARE EXPERIENCING MORE AND MORE. THE ENEMY IS ANGRY THAT WE ARE STIRRING YOU UP WITH FOOD YOU'VE NEVER TASTED BEFORE...MAYBE SOME WILL AWAKEN...THE ENEMY IS NOT HAPPY AT ALL...PRAISE THE LORD. FOR THE TIME DRAWS NEAR...YOU SHOULD LISTEN.

Zechariah 14

v1: Behold, the DAY of the LORD COMETH, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

What is the DAY of the Lord? It is that DAY that no man knows the DAY nor HOUR..it is His 2nd coming. BUT, in the above THAT DAY has NOT yet arrived, for it is COMING....this is Israel being ATTACKED and SPOILT by the FALSE PROPHET AND HIS ARMY(THE UNITED WORLD ARMY AT THAT STAGE BEFORE THEY EVENTUALLY TURN ON EACH OTHER FOR THAT OTHER WAR, THE WAR OF ALL WARS...THAT 200 000 000 MAN WAR COMING AFTER ISRAELS DEFEAT)

v2: For I will GATHER ALL NATIONS against Jerusalem to battle, and the CITY SHALL BE TAKEN, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished, and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the RESIDUE of the PEOPLE shall not be cut off from the CITY.

There you go, ALL NATIONS AGAINST ISRAEL...in other words...ALL NATIONS AGREE TO ISRAEL being ATTACKED...And WHAT do we SEE happening IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW ??? Look at the NEWS, SEARCH on the independent world news organizations while we still have them, look here, look there, SEEK.. Well i will tell you what is happening....EVERY NATION IS BEGINNING TO TURN AGAINST ISRAEL !!!! RIGHT NOW....EVEN HER ALLIES ARE TURNING AGAINST HER.... IT IS BEGINNING, THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS BEGINNING TO STAND UP....what do you think is happening in these middle east nations??...the beginning of the end has started...SORROWS will soon begin...it is only a matter of a few years...we still have time...though not much...the pace will pick up...slow at first, then snowballing worldwide. We say 4 years, and you will see the false prophet on the news...it is close, and the black horse is soon to let the pale horse pass him...

V3: THEN shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle.

THEN the Lord will FIGHT (destroy mans rule)....AFTER ISRAEL is conquered, AFTER the 3rd temple is built, AFTER the False Prophet and his mark...after the TWO witnesses are KILLED....THEN He will Fight the nations...ALL NATIONS. Look to the world, read, listen, seek and you will see it...maybe for starters watch Glen Beck, i hear he is explaining the economic turmoil that is coming...yes he is mormon, but he is not concentrating on religion..so maybe listen to his well informed worldly information if you need more understanding?

v4: And His feet shall stand IN THAT DAY upon the Mount of OLIVES, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a great valley, and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

HERE IS YOUR PROOF...WHO will SAY this has already HAPPENED ?? GO TO ISRAEL AND GAZE UPON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES...IS IT STILL IN ONE PIECE ??? OF COURSE IT IS....THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED YET, SO THEN, IT CAN ONLY BE FUTURE....and why oh why are JEWS fleeing through this valley CHRIST makes for them? Don't you remember that at HIS COMING, those who FOLLOW Him will be CHANGED into SPIRIT in the TWINKLING OF AN EYE and MEET HIM IN THE AIR ???? Who then are these that HE IS SAVING BUT NOT TURNING INTO SPIRIT ??? I will tell you...these are the surviving REMNANT (THOSE good figs) who follow Moses, THESE will be joined with the remnants of YESTERDAY who will be raised in the FLESH to FEED on CHRISTS TRUTH before they are changed into SPIRIT. Read John 6:63 & Romans 8:11....we have to feed on that spirit of CHRISTS COVENANT to be raised into SPIRIT...BUT these JEWS are feeding on MOSES not CHRIST...different SPIRIT...NOW though, they get a CHANCE..ONLY FOR GODS SAKE, FOR THE PROMISES HE MADE...AND FOR NO OTHER REASON...THAT REMNANT who will be joined with HISTORY'S REMNANT which will be RAISED in the flesh for to FEED on CHRIST'S TRUTH, LIVING AND DYING AND BREEDING FOR A 1000 YEARS IN JERUSALEM WHILE SATAN IS LOCKED UP. SIMPLE.

v5: And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal, yea, like as you fled before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah the King of Judah: and the Lord my God SHALL COME, AND ALL THE SAINTS WITH THEE.

ANY ONE REMEMBER MATT 24 !!!!! CHRIST MUST RETURN at that POINT LEST NO FLESH REMAIN !! NUKES PEOPLE !!! AND WHERE WILL THIS WAR BE TAKING PLACE ?? IN THE MIDDLE EAST !!!, IT IS FOUGHT OVER THERE....THE WAR AFTER ISRAEL IS DEFEATED...AFTER THE FALSE PROPHET DECLARES HIMSELF GOD.....AND GUESS WHAT...WHEN NUKES GET USED...THEN OTHER WILL DECIDE TO FIRE THEIR OWN NUKES IN RETALIATION...DOMINOE EFFECT....THIS IS WHY CHRIST COMES WHEN HE DOES..LEST IT DOES SPREAD AND NO FLESH REMAIN...AND WHAT IS THE BEST PROTECTION FROM FALL OUT ETC ? ....MOUNTAINS ARE..HENCE THE VALLEY CHRIST MAKES FOR THEM JEWS.....NOW LOOK AT THE LAST LINE AGAIN...CHRIST IS COMING THEN...

V6: And it shall come to pass IN THAT DAY, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark,

v7: But it shall be ONE DAY which shall be known TO THE LORD, not day, nor night, BUT IT SHALL COME TO PASS, that at EVENING TIME it shall be LIGHT.

HELLOOOOOOOO.....GET IT? THAT DAY....THAT DAY.....THAT DAY.....THAT DAY.....WHEN WILL YOU LISTEN ? WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND OUR SPEECH ??

v8: And it shall be IN THAT DAY, that LIVING WATERS shall go out FROM JERUSALEM, half of THEM toward the former sea, and HALF OF THEM toward the hinder sea; in summer and in winter it SHALL BE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THIS "WATER" IS ?? SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND.

v9:And the LORD SHALL be KING OVER ALL THE EARTH, IN THAT DAY shall there be ONE LORD, and His Name ONE.

DING DING DING....THERE YOU HAVE IT , SHALL BE KING...WHEN?.... IN THAT DAY....So HOW on earth are SOME saying He is ALREADY RULING ????? HE IS NOT...Do THEY even understand what "Sit at My right hand UNTIL I make YOUR ENEMIES YOUR FOOTSTOOL means???????? It means WAIT until MANS RULE in the EARTH is DESTROYED and THEN YOU will RULE THEM with a ROD OF IRON...rule WHO? FLESH that's who...THE HEATHEN...THE UNBELIEVERS...HUMANS WHO DID NOT GET CHANGED INTO SPIRIT...WAKE UP, THIS CONDITION ONLY LASTS 1000 YEARS, God is not yet FINISHED making all His CHILDREN... THEN AFTER THE 1000 YEARS THE WORLD IS REMADE...THEN..NOT YET...AFTER THE 1000 YEARS...THEN ALL MEN WILL BE CHANGED TO SPIRIT.

LOOK:

MATTHEW 25:31-34

v31: When the Son of man SHALL COME in His GLORY, and ALL the Holy Angels with Him, THEN shall He SIT upon the throne of His GLORY.
v32: And before Him shall be gathered ALL NATIONS, and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth His SHEEP from the GOATS.
v33: And He shall set the SHEEP on His right hand, but the GOATS on the left.
v34: Then shall the King say unto them, Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the KINGDOM PREPARED for you from the foundation of the world...

NOW here CHRISTIANS ARE BEING JUDGED....CHRISTIANS ONLY from ALL the NATIONS....JUDGMENT STARTS AT THE HOUSE OF THE LORD REMEMBER?...CHRISTIANS JUDGED FIRST....FIRST< FIRST> SEE the SHEEP ARE BEING JUDGED (FOLLOWERS) NOT the WOLVES !!! AND THE GOATS? WELL GOATS LEAD SHEEP....YOUR SHEPHERDS....AND NOT MANY OF THEM WILL MAKE IT....TO THE LEFT PLEASE. AND AGAIN...WHAT DOES IT SAY????? WHEN THE SON OF MAN COMES....THEN HE SHALL RULE.....NOT NOW .....NOT NOW BUT THEN....AT HIS ESTABLISHMENT OF HIS THRONE IN ISRAEL...HIS THRONE...HIS THRONE...HIS THRONE....NO LONGER SITTING ON THE RIGHT HAND OF HIS FATHER....HIS THRONE OF GLORY...THRONE OF GLORY...THRONE OF GLORY...WHEN HE SHALL SIT ON IT...SIT ON IT...WHEN HE SHALL...SHALL....SHALL...SHALL SIT....SHALL SIT...SHALL SIT ON IT....WHEN HE COMES....WHEN HE COMES.....WHEN HE COMES....HE SHALL...SHALL....SHALL...SIT ON IT....SHALL SIT ON IT....SHALL SIT ON IT...WHEN HE COMES...NOT NOW. WHY CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND US? IT IS BECAUSE WE SPEAK HIS WORD IS WHY. And those mockers drink another WINE....WINE of mans doctrines.

THERE ARE STILL 13 VERSES TO GO....WHEN MY SPIRIT IS STIRRED NEXT, I WILL EXPLAIN THEM, SINCE WE APPARENTLY SPEAK DECEIT.....WHICH MEANS THEY CANNOT HEAR OUR LORDS WORDS, SO THIS IS WHY I SAY, I WILL EXPLAIN IT. FOR HIS SHEEP CAN HEAR HIM, HE HAS REVEALED IT TO HIS SMALL FLOCK, THIS IS ONLY TRUTH AND IF YOU START TO UNDERSTAND THE SIMPLE PROPHECIES ABOVE...YOU WILL KNOW, THAT WE DO INDEED KNOW HIM....AND WE WERE MOCKED UNJUSTLY BY THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW HIM AT ALL.

end of part 1.

Zechariah 14:1-21 "The prophet foresees the nations gathered in battle against Jerusalem, God's delivery of the people, and the establishment of a secure, peaceful land (see Isaiah 66:15-23; Ezekiel 38 - 40; Joel 4:9-21; Mark 13:7-27; Revelation 20 - 22). In the New Testament, this is to be accomplished at the Second Coming of Christ and the last battle between God and Satan." OSB Orthodox Study Bible, OT (Old Testament), page 1050; copyright 2008, St. Athanasius Academy of Orthodox Theology, Elk Grove, CA, Fr. Jack Norman Sparks, Dean, editor. Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Bibles.
God save us. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

Devolution · Feb 26, 2011

superdave5221 said:

My friend,

Do you think i would make statements in His name without being FIRST fully taught by His Word?? You are looking at this through your mortal eyes....you need look from the spiritual perspective.

Here first are some scriptures...

Mark 12:25
For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Here we see we become as the ANGELS IN HEAVEN when we are resurrected.

Luke 20:36
Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Here we see that we will not only be like the angels, but in fact we be equal to the angels.

Hebrews 13:2
Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Here we see men can entertain angels unawares...what can this mean? Well it is obvious...angels can turn into flesh and back to spirit at will. Do you think this is strange ????????

You question Jesus SHOWING Himself to the Apostles in the FLESH, but you forget something important....HE HAD TO...for FLESH can NOT SEE SPIRIT....if He did not show Himself as FLESH guess what...the Apostles would not have Seen Him !!! And WHY did He still bear the wounds? SO that the Apostles would not think He were some Ghost !!! Which DID already happen...they thought He was a GHOST !!!!! AND YOU EVEN QUOTED IT WITHOUT EVEN REALIZING !!!!!!! Luke 24:37...And what did Jesus say? WHY DID YOU DOUBT !!!! His appearing in the flesh CONFIRMED IT WAS HIM....and then what happened...HE VANISHED !!!!!

And furthermore, if He had not shown Himself in the FLESH, those 500 witnesses besides the others, would not have seen Him either...we must not confine Jesus, nor Spirit to the physical laws man is confined by...for they are above flesh, they are Spirit.

Have you not heard it said:

1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT INHERIT the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

So IF Jesus were raised PERMANENTLY flesh, HOW did He INHERIT His INHERITANCE? How did He sit on the right hand of God in Heaven? How did He change His form so those two disciples did not recognize Him on the road? These are not the attributes of FLESH...but Spirit changing to flesh at will in whatever appearance desired. Have you not read the description of Jesus' APPEARANCE in revelations?

I hope this clears that up for you.

Devolution · Feb 26, 2011

I would like to clear up the false accusations against me.

I believe the Law of the Old Covenant is null and void. I do not believe, nor have i ever believed nor said that they are to be reinstated. This is a lie from a very angry person who is bearing false witness knowingly. A very severe sin.

Those Israelites even today, who follow this cancelled law, who reject Jesus for the law of Moses, these are commanded to keep every precept of that old law by God Himself, for they CHOOSE to keep it, they choose to keep what is null and void. It is a curse to all who keep it..for it cannot be kept. It will NEVER be reinstated.

I have never said Christ will be flesh when ruling during the millennium. He is Spirit, and the resurrected are Spirit ALSO, and spirit can change to flesh at WILL...is this so hard to comprehend when we have examples of angels materializing as men THEN changing back to spirit and vanishing !!!! What, is Jesus denied this POWER now? Is this what you are saying? Are people actually reading the scriptures? Or just books about the bible? I am amazed at the confusion. I am saying that there will still be flesh alive during the millennium. These are those that never knew Him. People of all nation will at that time, be learning of Him...and TRUTH shall cover the earth at last.

I have NEVER said i am a prophet. There are no more prophets until the two witnesses come, for the written Word is COMPLETE, and there is nothing more to add. This is just a slant against me, it is character assassination and unjust. Another sin knowingly committed.

During the millennium sacrifices will be made, but as God Himself explains in scripture, it is NOT physical sacrifices of bulls etc being made, but sacrifices of the flesh, that is, ABSTAINING from sin. THESE are acceptable sacrifices, and all mention of these sacrifices in the scriptures given, these are described SYMBOLICALLY to confuse the learned, it is just that that accuser cannot see, for it was explained CLEARLY. Or else, it is another deliberate false witness.

Malachi 4
v1: For, behold, the DAY COMETH, that shall burn as an oven, and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble, and the DAY that COMETH shall burn them up, saith the Lord of Hosts, that it shall leave them neither root or branch.

zone · Feb 26, 2011

journey41 said:

Dear Scorner,
To accuse Devo of being a prophet is trying to stir up trouble and sow discord amongst bethren. Devo never said he was a prophet. The prophets to come are the two witnessess. Devo is not saying anything that is not mentioned in the scriptures. He, like myself is showing you church taught that they have not been feeding you the truth and... TO GO BACK TO THE SCRIPTURES. DO NOT BELIEVE ANOTHER DOCTRINE THAT YOUR CHURCH HAS MADE UP. Look at the churches fruits, they behave worse than unbelievers I know.

I know unbelievers that have have more respect and would never act or talk like this to us when hearing the word. Why? they havn't been contimanted by rude church people. SOME OF THEM HAVE MORE CHANCE IN COMING INTO THE KINGDOM NOW THAN YOU.
read Math 21:28-31

you have no truth at all.

journey41 · Feb 26, 2011

Proves my case!

zone · Feb 26, 2011

journey41 said:

you have no case.

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