Faith/Works...How much faith? How much works?

[crossnote]

Faith that trusts 100% in Jesus Christ for salvation. Either we are trusting 100% in Jesus Christ/His finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation (Romans 3:24-28) or else we are 100% lost. Faith in Christ is the root of salvation and works are the fruit. All genuine believers are fruitful, but not all are equally fruitful.

Jesus Christ and Him crucified for our sins and risen for our life is the actual means of our salvation and faith is the instrumental means by which we receive the gift of eternal life. Our faith is rooted in Christ and life flows through the root and produces fruit.

So you are saying the instrument of our salvation (faith) must be 100%.? Is that 24/7? Or we lose all?
Isn't that setting up 'faith' as a work of ours? Does our salvation depend on Him holding us or us holding Him?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So you are saying the instrument of our salvation (faith) must be 100%.? Is that 24/7? Or we lose all?
Isn't that setting up 'faith' as a work of ours? Does our salvation depend on Him holding us or us holding Him?

I could be wrong, But maybe he means 100% in christ, not 50% in Christ and 50% in self?

 

[crossnote]

I could be wrong, But maybe he means 100% in christ, not 50% in Christ and 50% in self?

Could be, but honestly, my faith wavers from Christ, otherwise I'd have a perfect sinless walk.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Could be, but honestly, my faith wavers from Christ, otherwise I'd have a perfect sinless walk.

I agree and am guilty myself

But do you depend on anything that you do to help save yourself? Remembering the context here is salvation

 

[crossnote]

I agree and am guilty myself

But do you depend on anything that you do to help save yourself? Remembering the context here is salvation

TOUCHÉ!

 

[mailmandan]

So you are saying the instrument of our salvation (faith) must be 100%.? Is that 24/7? Or we lose all?
Isn't that setting up 'faith' as a work of ours? Does our salvation depend on Him holding us or us holding Him?

Our faith must trust 100% in Christ for salvation. All genuine believers trust in Christ for salvation but at times believers (especially babes in Christ) don’t always trust in Christ just to get them through the day or to handle a tough situation. Christ holds believers in His hand. Faith is not just another work in a series of works in a quest to receive salvation by works.

 

[mailmandan]

Could be, but honestly, my faith wavers from Christ, otherwise I'd have a perfect sinless walk.

If salvation through faith meant perfect, sinless walk 100% of the time, then none of us would be saved.

 

[crossnote]

If salvation through faith meant perfect, sinless walk 100% of the time, then none of us would be saved.

I have to agree with someone earlier who mentioned that saving faith starts out small and wobbly. That's how mine started anyways, and I can't claim to much more ever since LOL.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have to agree with someone earlier who mentioned that saving faith starts out small and wobbly. That's how mine started anyways, and I can't claim to much more ever since LOL.

Faith of a mustard seed is all one needs.

 

[mailmandan]

I have to agree with someone earlier who mentioned that saving faith starts out small and wobbly. That's how mine started anyways, and I can't claim to much more ever since LOL.

My faith in Christ “for salvation” has remained solid, yet trusting in Christ in every aspect of my life started out small, yet continues to grow as I continue to grow in grace. Ongoing sanctification is a process and not an instant conquest.

 

[pottersclay]

So how much works and how much faith is needed?

Little is much when God is in it😋😋😋

 

[DarnellPistachio]

Hey, we have so many of these threads going, why not another?

Faith: Love God with all of your heart, soul, mind, and body...

Works: ...and love your neighbour as yourself. Be baptized, and repent.

 

[crossnote]

Faith: Love God with all of your heart, soul, mind, and body...

Works: ...and love your neighbour as yourself. Be baptized, and repent.

Here is how I see it...

Love = works, when it is done for merit and in our own strength.

Love = fruit, when it is done out of thanksgiving as a result of His abiding presence.

 

[NayborBear]

You still have not shown me where any person said “all people who believe and do many works believe they do them does them because they are working for salvation.”

How does it feel to want EG?

The "thing" that seems to be screwing up many peoples heads, is the "what, where, when, how, and why", of this term works!
Anyone can say they believe! Which, in and of itself? Are just words without meaning! Believe-ING? On the other hand? Requires an ongoing forwards moving progression! Or, what? WORKS!
Cuz ya see, EG, it requires works, in the DENYING of oneself, AT THE VERY ONSET, in order for one to even USE "the FRUIT" of FAITH, or believe-ING! And so it is with all the "fruit of the Spirit."

A key of David, is understanding.
The "fruit of the Spirit", is of the "Spirit of God!"
This is DIFFERENT from the "Gift of the Holy Spirit, aka Spiritual Gifts", which one receives AFTER accepting Jesus.
Which go "pretty much" dormant, whilst awaiting for works from the individual.
Does this mean the individual is NOT saved, or has Salvation? GOD FORBID!
Hebrews 1
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Hebrews 2
Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at ANY TIME we should let them slip.
8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

Wonder what happened? SOMETHING MUST have "slipped?" Eh?

1 Corinthians 13
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. (this takes works)
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. (without works)
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

So works FOR salvation? Works to maintain salvation? Works for Spiritual Gifts?

I vote YES!

Hebrews 2
3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How does it feel to want EG?

So in other words. Your allowed to make a bold statement about other people. Yet when those people respond to your statment by asking you to prove what you said is true, you do not have to answer?


It has nothing to do with want my friend, what it shows is you made a statment you can not back up with proof.

I am not trying to discuss what a work is with you. (And I will not until we get this issue resolved about what you said)

I want you to prove your false allegation you made about myself and all of my brothers and sisters in christ who believe the same way I do.

 

[DarnellPistachio]

Here is how I see it...

Love = works, when it is done for merit and in our own strength.

Love = fruit, when it is done out of thanksgiving as a result of His abiding presence.

not sure I follow. are you saying James' works (and I will show you my faith by my works) is fruitless, or done in his own merit? or are you saying that a tree doesnt "work" to bear "fruit"? Because it sounds like both.

 

[crossnote]

not sure I follow. are you saying James' works (and I will show you my faith by my works) is fruitless, or done in his own merit? or are you saying that a tree doesnt "work" to bear "fruit"? Because it sounds like both.

A branch n a fruit tree doesn't work because that is it's nature...to bear fruit.
Our nature can swing either way, we can do 'good works' in our own strength trying to earn God's favor, or we can abide in the Vine (Jn 15) and bear good works out of a heart of thanksgiving.
I can't judge another's motive though and that is part of James' point...he will SHOW his faith BY his works.

 

[DarnellPistachio]

A branch n a fruit tree doesn't work because that is it's nature...to bear fruit.
Our nature can swing either way, we can do 'good works' in our own strength trying to earn God's favor, or we can abide in the Vine (Jn 15) and bear good works out of a heart of thanksgiving.
I can't judge another's motive though and that is part of James' point...he will SHOW his faith BY his works.

i definitely agree with you there.

I am wondering, I guess, why you started the post to begin with then?

I mean i get the jist, how much faith/how much works, but i mean ultimately, what is the reason? I am sorry if I seem argumentative, I just need to weed out the side business (faith vs works) and understand you from the standpoint that begot the question to begin with.

 

[crossnote]

i definitely agree with you there.

I am wondering, I guess, why you started the post to begin with then?

I mean i get the jist, how much faith/how much works, but i mean ultimately, what is the reason? I am sorry if I seem argumentative, I just need to weed out the side business (faith vs works) and understand you from the standpoint that begot the question to begin with.

At the time, I noticed there were three or four posts at the top of the page on 'faith/works', so more out of being facetious than anything else, I thought 'how much faith? how much works?' since the topic seems so omnipresent on forums. If not by topic, then most biblical posts devolve into that issue...interesting.

 

[Macabeus]

I know, the Forum is glutted with these Faith/Works threads.

But I'm interested in those that say 'by faith'...how much faith?

And those that say 'by works'...how much works?

How much faith? It is not about quantity of faith. It is about who your faith is in.

How much works? None for salvation, we are saved by faith alone.

The right question to ask is "what kind of faith saves?"

There is living and dead faith

Living faith comes from God and saves infallibly

Dead faith comes from counterfeit profession and saves no one.

How do we know the difference between living and dead faith.

James said "faith without works is dead"