To Those Who Post The Same Issue Over And Over And Appear To Just Be Fighting

[1still_waters]

Ok, before I get going here. I'm not saying, "Quit discussing the Bible."

It's very apparent there are a select few who come to the forums with a very combative attitude. These same people also make redundant posts about the same topic and just go back and forth and back and forth forever about these given topics.

We (the mods) have been sitting back for a long time now, not trying to get in the way of anyone engaging in sincere discussion and debate. The last thing we want to do is discourage use of the forums. That's why we've been sitting back just in observe mode on this issue for a while now.

It's becoming obvious though that a 'few' people are rehashing the same topics, in pretty obvious attempts to prove they're correct on the given issue(s). These select 'few' appear to only use the forums to prove that they are 'correct' and the forums have become their fighting ring.

To those who continually rehash the same topics over and over and over and keep making new threads about these topics to prove how right they are, I'm going to strongly encourage you to please refrain from doing this and to just let some of these topics rest for a while.

To those who seem to have a "continual" harsh, combative and fighting tone\spirit to their posts, I'm going to strongly encourage you to please take your combative and fighting tone down a few notches.

Again, hear me clearly, I'm not saying to cease discussing things.

But I/we think the time has come to deal with the constant combative, fighting tones that are appearing in the posts from some of you. The time has come to address the redundant multi-threads on the same topic.

There is no need to be afraid of being infractioned without being warned by one of us mods first. If we feel you're one of the few who needs to just cool off, we'll let you know.

Please just take this post as a strong encouragement and reminder to watch your tone in these threads.

Thanks.

 

[Raeshelle]

Sheeesh, Stilly you give me no Joy at all!!!!. lol.. Amen I agree with you on this one!! AMEN AND AMEN!!!

 

[iraasuup]

Ha Rae, I bet it felt so good for Stilly to type that out. Like a release of frustration. But yes I agree too!!

 

[Baptistrw]

Yeah, the eternal security threads are getting annoying. I personally think they should all just be closed.

 

[LynnJ]

Amen, Stilly!

 

[1still_waters]

Still , Some are obviously not reading this or ignoring it....

Yeah well then I guess we can just message them personally and give them a polite heads up.

 

[KingdomGeneration]

Yeah well then I guess we can just message them personally and give them a polite heads up.

*shaking head*

The way I see things, there is the "grace camp" and the "faith camp". While I will admit that the faith camp has been far more aggressive lately in defending their views, if you look at the forums over the last few months, you will find that is has been the grace camp that has been on the offensive.

I have seen a lot more finger pointing, name calling, and down right judging from the grace camp. Even to the point where people have taken it upon themselves to boldly claim that people of the opposing view are guilty of heresy and are going to hell. What ever happened to extending the same grace to people in which you yourself have been given?

Honestly, in my opinion, the mods should have seen this coming and done something about it a long time ago.

Sincerely guys, the mods should have seen this coming. Months ago I suggested nuetral zones and designated areas where hot topics could be discussed. While understand what it is Robo would like to accomplish, there are just some folks who seem to be on a some sort of crusade to push their views.

I have been follwed around the forums and have been "attacked" (for lack of a better word) because I do not agree with OSAS, even in threads that are not even related. I have even been "attacked" in the chat rooms over this issue while trying to pray and encourage others .

 

[jaylynn83]

WAIT, so does this mean i cant post another thread about OSAS???!!! come on still ten threads on the same topic IS NOT NEARLY ENOUGH lol

 

[kujo313]

How about starting a thread about "Preaching the Gospel around the world"? Or, "What must I do to be saved"?

Too many worldly and religious negatives.

 

[BLC]

Yeah, the eternal security threads are getting annoying. I personally think they should all just be closed.

To a point I agree, but are you not the one, that has expressed that contending for the faith is a sign of God's fruit. The central truth of what we believe concerning our faith is what Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross as the Lamb of God. You have mentioned (Amos 3:3) in reference to walking together through agreement. The very basis for God being able to have fellowship with us is rooted in this vital doctrine that reveals the nature of God. If we cannot agree with God on what His scriptures have to say about this, how can we walk together with Him? If others live in error, is it not our duty in the love of God, to obey (James 5:19,20) and do everything we can to covert our brother who has erred from the truth. They may be argumentative, stubborn and caustic at times but the love of God is patient, kind, believes all things, hopes all things and endures all things. Some have been burdened with error, shall we not bear their burden and help them in the light of truth? Do you want some to be subverted with error or have them built up in the truth? If some do not want to contribute, I understand. But if others can in the grace of God, let them do so and pray that God would remove the veil that is over the heart of some.

Rom 2:7 'To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life'.

 

[Baptistrw]

To a point I agree, but are you not the one, that has expressed that contending for the faith is a sign of God's fruit. The central truth of what we believe concerning our faith is what Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross as the Lamb of God. You have mentioned (Amos 3:3) in reference to walking together through agreement. The very basis for God being able to have fellowship with us is rooted in this vital doctrine that reveals the nature of God. If we cannot agree with God on what His scriptures have to say about this, how can we walk together with Him? If others live in error, is it not our duty in the love of God, to obey (James 5:19,20) and do everything we can to covert our brother who has erred from the truth. They may be argumentative, stubborn and caustic at times but the love of God is patient, kind, believes all things, hopes all things and endures all things. Some have been burdened with error, shall we not bear their burden and help them in the light of truth? Do you want some to be subverted with error or have them built up in the truth? If some do not want to contribute, I understand. But if others can in the grace of God, let them do so and pray that God would remove the veil that is over the heart of some.

Rom 2:7 'To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life'.

There comes a point when you disengage from those who have hardened themselves from the truth. After debating with these people on this same issue for 4 months now to no avail I think it's time to shake the dust off our feet, lest they be hardened more. Some get the truth, other do not. Some will claim to be religious and totally miss the truth of God's word, as the Pharisee's in Jesus time.

 

[BLC]

It appears to you that some have hardened their heart but God knows what is in the heart of man. God is after the heart. If you really studied the life of Christ in relationship to the Pharisees and Sadducees, He was always dealing with their heart in relationship to the scriptures and His Father's nature. He spent three years dealing with them and even debated with them (teachers/doctors) as a child in the temple (Luke 2:46) and He was about His Father's business in doing it (Luke 2:49). He visited their homes (Luke 7:36-50) and taught them. His dealings with men was always to get them to come to Him and learn of Him because He was meek and lowly in heart (Mt 11:29). He was no respecter of persons, made Himself of no reputation and was not willing that any should perish. BTW- Where are those that say they will only aspire to follow in the footsteps of Jesus? The Apostle Paul did it in (Acts 23) and in the synagogues. You may be exhausted in your patience but the fruit of the Spirit is longsuffering (Gal 5:22). In (Col 1:11) we are to be strengthened with all might, according to His glorious power, unto patience and all longsuffering with joyfulness. I am not accusing any on this site of being Pharisaical, but rather those who may be our brother and in error. Does not (Heb 3:12,13) also apply to the Gentiles;

'Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin'.

They may use this to support their error but we use it to exhort them daily less they be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin, referring to violating the nature of God with their error and unbelief.

 

[1still_waters]

Sincerely guys, the mods should have seen this coming. Months ago I suggested nuetral zones and designated areas where hot topics could be discussed. While understand what it is Robo would like to accomplish, there are just some folks who seem to be on a some sort of crusade to push their views.

I have been follwed around the forums and have been "attacked" (for lack of a better word) because I do not agree with OSAS, even in threads that are not even related. I have even been "attacked" in the chat rooms over this issue while trying to pray and encourage others .

Yeah we have been observing it as I stated in the post. But we just wanted to sit back and see what would happen. Last thing we wanted to do was impede discussion.

 

[1still_waters]

And now that it's VERY clear that some just use the forums to be pushy, mean and rude, we can address it. I don't think the solution is to make a 'freedom to be rude zone'. The solution is for folks to just not be rude.

The solution is for folks to quit being children and realize that not everyone is going to agree with them.

The solution is to stop harassing others and posting redundant thread after redundant thread.

To me it seems like some people are just having a very adult form of a very childish thing, called a melt down or temper tantrum.

They may be using the idea of correcting their brother as an excuse to be rude, mean and harassing.

Some of these folks need to follow MY example. I honestly can't post much in these forums because it just brings out the worst in me! If these forums bring out the worst in you, step back and go do something else.

 

[Abing]

FREEEEEEEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

freedom to live in harmony

 

[Auchin]

Maybe all the forums should just be cleared and then start over again

 

[BLC]

When you meditate on the word of God, in the privacy of your relationship and communion with Him, think on these verses and ask God to show you something very practical and true about them; (Mal 3:6, Heb 13:15, Mt 12:37, Psalm 34:1, Eph 4:29, Psalm 45:2)

BTW - It is okay to meditate. Men of God did it day and night to stir themselves up, keep themselves pure and clean and to motivate themselves in the things of God. (Gen 24:63, Jos 1:8, Psalms 1:2, 63:6, 77:12,119:15,23,48,78,148, 143:5, Luke 21:14, 1Tim 4:15)

Reading some of Merryheart's post, you can see the beautiful heart that she has cultivated toward the LORD in prayer and spending time in His Word. One of her recent posts about the vine was really great and was communicated in wisdom, with compassion and grace.

 

[KingdomGeneration]

Originally Posted by MahogonySnail

Exactly.. this prompted me to consider looking at the non-OSAS point of view..

I was not the one to start this. Those going on the offensive promoting the pro-OSAS (aka eternal security) doctrine prompted me to refute them. Neither do I believe OSAS believers are not saved or following another Jesus or that we need to pray for them (to convert them)..as some of they do.

Referring to the quote below it includes statements that non-believers in OSAS could be going to hell if we don't repent of denying eternal security... the allegation that we non-OSAS believers possibly believe in "another Jesus" (which is impossible, there is only one Jesus as I'm aware...Paul? was making a statement to confirm that there is no better or more powerful or more perfect Jesus they need to believe in, not condemning those who don't believe in OSAS of following another Jesus)..

Plus the call for OSAS believers to pray for non-OSAS believers. I appreciate all and any prayers but a bit offended that you feel we are so much in error that we need your prayers. What would you pray anyway "dear God please make MahogonySnail a OSAS-believer like myself". There's no need to treat us like non-Christians. Although if this is how fellow Christians are treated I don't know if I'd want to accept your version of Christianity if I was a non-Christian.

Yet, I'm the one with some "infraction notice" for offending people.


An infraction notice? Are you serious? Charismatics get blasted on here all the time but nothing ever gets done about it because the mods roughly hold to the same doctrine of those doing the blasting. Charismatics have been accused of heresy, blasphemy and apostasy on these boards and I assume not a one infraction notice was sent out but the behavior has yet to cease. However, Mahogany gets an infraction because he decides to step up and defend his faith with scripture and biblical concepts that the opposing camp have yet to come up with an answer for?

In my honest opinion, the only way to keep the peace would be for the mods to truly take a nondenominational / unbiased stance that this site professes to hold. When a debate does begin to break out, the mods could simply send out a message to those involved that if they want to continue there debate they should do so via a private messages.

Just my two cents...

 

[NoahsMom]

Glad I wasnt the only one who noticed.........

 

[Baptistrw]

However, Mahogany gets an infraction because he decides to step up and defend his faith with scripture and biblical concepts that the opposing camp have yet to come up with an answer for?

Except that's not true.