Speaking in Tongues: Its Origins [Ancient and Modern], Purpose, and Power
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Kavik said:
Or perhaps better, that he uses them much more frequently than an average person due to his "work".
Makes zero sense at at all
Cessationists say it is a foreign language,a known language.
Then they invoke 1 cor where it must ALWAYS be through an interpreter.
Show me this ridiculousness ever happening anywhere.
A man not knowing German,preaches to Germans because now he supernaturally knows German.
Uh,excuse me,why do we now need an interpreter????????
Houston,we have a problem.
Yes it is called the cesationist soft shoe uh oh moment
Or perhaps better, that he uses them much more frequently than an average person due to his "work".
Yes makes perfect sense! 
Cessationists say it is a foreign language,a known language.
Then they invoke 1 cor where it must ALWAYS be through an interpreter.
Show me this ridiculousness ever happening anywhere.
A man not knowing German,preaches to Germans because now he supernaturally knows German.
Uh,excuse me,why do we now need an interpreter????????
Houston,we have a problem.
Yes it is called the cesationist soft shoe uh oh moment
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As mentioned in previous posts, I am neither a cesationist nor continuationist; I do not identify with either term. Those are more “labels” used by Pentecostal/Charismatic Christians than anything.
I have no clue what you’re getting at here –
If my native language is Gaulish and I attend a worship service, start speaking aloud in my native Gaulish and no one else at that worship service speaks it, first, I am not speaking to man, but only to God, as no one else there understands my language. Even though I’m praying in the power of the Spirit, by the leading of the Spirit and according to His will (i.e. I’m praying in the Spirit), I am uttering virtual ‘mysteries’ to anyone listening to me. In order for the entire congregation to benefit (or be ‘edified’, if you prefer that term) from what I’m saying, I would need to engage the assistance of an interpreter.
I think one of the issues here is the Pentecostal/Charismatic complete redefinition of “praying in the Spirit” – most only equate it to tongues-speech, as one of many ways to “proof” the modern tongues phenomenon as something which exists in the Biblical narratives.
O
How do you know everyone who believe in speaking in Tongues, the unknown Tongue (as Paul spoke about being a direct conversation between the speaker and God Himself and no human can ever interpret it), does it by claiming" jibberish becomes a Heavenly Language?"
What retard gave you that definition, or was it YOU, who created this false assumption?
O
Have you EVER HEARD the Heavenly Language spoken by God to His Angels?
How do you know there are not several dialects to it, like the Hebrew Language is complex?
The Hebrew Language, is the Language God chose to give His people, and it is one of the most complex languages known to mankind. So, why would you then think, the Heavenly Language we will speak when we get to Heaven, is simple like kindergarten language?
Could it be, because your understanding is basically limited to the kindergarten level?
Cessationists…."those who walk by faith, a exclusive faith that comes from hearing the voice of God and not walking by sight as if God who has no form could be seen .
I say if you look to the of foundation on the doctrine of tongues (Isaiah 28 it does not bite) ) and search the meaning of the sign of tongue as to what the sign as a metaphor confirms as a law not subject to change.
One they establish what the sign confirms either they will stop looking for signs they can perform or they will increase as those who seek after a sign and wonders gospel (sign gifts) As Christ says no signs will be given. Who needs them.
In this present world anticipated a new can't live without them .Learn how to hear it keeping to seeking the power.. its the well spring of eternal life
I say if you look to the of foundation on the doctrine of tongues (Isaiah 28 it does not bite) ) and search the meaning of the sign of tongue as to what the sign as a metaphor confirms as a law not subject to change.
One they establish what the sign confirms either they will stop looking for signs they can perform or they will increase as those who seek after a sign and wonders gospel (sign gifts) As Christ says no signs will be given. Who needs them.
In this present world anticipated a new can't live without them .Learn how to hear it keeping to seeking the power.. its the well spring of eternal life
O
This is a 2 part answer:
part one
First of all, how or where has it ever been proven, that 90% is exactly the correct percentage of those who are falsely speaking in Tongues?
part two
I disagree with your 90% assessment, but, I do believe there is a correct percentage that are doing it wrong. And this simply because they were taught incorrectly. So, shame on their Pastor!!
O
Kavik said:
If tongues are a heavenly language - why would there ever be a need to have more than just one? Why would each individual speaker have their own?
No one in the Upper Room was speaking the same language either. Each one was speaking something different. But yet, all of it only had ONE SINGLE PURPOSE, to edify the Holy spirit of God!!
If tongues are a heavenly language - why would there ever be a need to have more than just one? Why would each individual speaker have their own?
No one in the Upper Room was speaking the same language either. Each one was speaking something different. But yet, all of it only had ONE SINGLE PURPOSE, to edify the Holy spirit of God!!
The word of God as His interpretation to us is supernaturally inspired from heaven . Men from almost all tongues can hear his interpretation as his personal source of faith as two walking together. They have ecteronic tools that can aid in getting out the gospel enabling different tongues to hear each other. . Now they need to make one for woman and men to be on the same page. LOL >
Is someone receiving new revelations as interpretations ? What's the good news? . What could we do with them oral revelations as private interpretations ? Add them to the last book Revelation, or is it not the last book and the seals have not been sealed till the end of time.? How can we let God not seen be true and every man seen a lar.? How could we prove our own selves are on the path to eternal life if there is no understanding?
Is someone receiving new revelations as interpretations ? What's the good news? . What could we do with them oral revelations as private interpretations ? Add them to the last book Revelation, or is it not the last book and the seals have not been sealed till the end of time.? How can we let God not seen be true and every man seen a lar.? How could we prove our own selves are on the path to eternal life if there is no understanding?
i saw Him in a dream when i was about 3 years old. it's my earliest memory, and still vivid
IMO no one can know Him unless He Himself reveals Himself to them - like He told Peter, it wasn't flesh and blood that revealed Him.
am i misunderstanding you, tho?
should people be 'taught how to speak in tongues' like it's a skill to learn and hone??
or were you talking about people being taught wrong doctrine?
IMO no one can know Him unless He Himself reveals Himself to them - like He told Peter, it wasn't flesh and blood that revealed Him.
am i misunderstanding you, tho?
should people be 'taught how to speak in tongues' like it's a skill to learn and hone??
or were you talking about people being taught wrong doctrine?
O
It does say you must be in Spirit to speak in the unknown Tongues ,since it cannot be interpreted by man, and is ONLY HEARD and understood by God.
1 Cor 14:
" 2 For he who is speaking in a unknown language is not speaking to men, but to God, for no one is hearing, yet in spirit he is speaking secrets."
O
Why do we not have the same mission Paul had? If we know what Paul said is from God, and we know Paul IS NO LONGER ON EARTH TO TEACH IT, then it falls upon us to do what Paul did. This is why we have missionaries, why there is a thing called your HOME CHURCH and then the churches your HOME CHURCH planted around the world.
Your logic is flawed!!
No, you understood correctly
My point is, even if we have an idea of something, we don't actually understand it all until we learn. And we learn by studying and being taught.
My point is, even if we have an idea of something, we don't actually understand it all until we learn. And we learn by studying and being taught.
the instruction in the Bible about speaking in tongues is concerned with organization and etiquette; proper time and place, not "how to do it" -- right?
this idea disturbs me. i have to go do some things atm.. back later with hopefully more cohesive and collected thoughts.
O
proper Greek
" 2 For he who is speaking in a unknown language is not speaking to men, but to God, for no one is hearing, yet in spirit he is speaking secrets."
You claim the UNKNOWN LANGUAGE is a foreign language.
Proper Greek claims the UNKNOWN LANGUAGE is not spoken to men (humans at all). It claims it is ONLY SPOKEN TO GOD!!
You are going to be a blast to correct!!
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