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REVELATION 5 - The openning of the sealed book of seven seals

v. 5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to break up the seven seals thereof.

v,6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four Cherubs, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

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Revelation chapters 4 and 5 - Interpretations

Firstly, Let us do a recapitulation of the happenings from chapter 1 to 4 exposed in posts above:

- JESUS ascended to heaven in the end of the 4th Day and beginning of the fifth Day, so God the Father had yet two more days of work to complete His works. And JESUS sat down at the right hand of God the Father.

- God had planned since the beginning that His rest would be in the 7th and last Day, that is the 7th and last millennium. From there JESUS assumes the government and control not only of the planet Earth, but of the whole Universe.


- God had planned since the begining to restore all things through JESUS in this seventh and last millennium or seventh and last Day, known as the time of end, called also time of Apocalypse, exactly in this millennium that just started and in which we are living.

- The sealed book was with God the Father when JESUS did get in heaven, and it was written within and without and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woes as was seen by the prophet Ezekiel. Check it in Ezekiel 2:v.10

- What the Most High God had planned to happen in the Lord's Day was hidden yet, but it was written in a sealed book whose content would reveal all things to happen in the last Day, i.e in this seventh and last millennium that is the millennium of Christ, the end of the time and Last Day. So, the content of the book would happen in this seventh and last Day exclusively. This sealed book would be the last of the Bible, the book of Apocalypse. Ezekiel the prophet, did see the book and did know that therein were lamentations, and mourning, and woes, but he did not know what kind of happenings or punishments would happen in the world in this present time.

- JESUS will receive the sealed book from the Father to reveal its content to His people (Rev.1.1), then the next step would be with JESUS in revealing the content of the book unto His people, through a strong angel, actually an Archangel, and through His Apostle John, and as we can see all things of the book would happen in this last period of a thousand years, that is the Lord's Day and the Millennium of Christ.

- John the Apostle was caught FIRSTLY to the Lord's Day and he traveled to the future, in the space and in the time, spanning a period of two thousand years, and he was brought to our days, to this 7th and last Day or 7th and last millennium, that is the Lord's Day, and getting here he heard a great voice behind him, as of a trumpet, saying: "What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia;" (Note: trumpet means message, allegoricaly.)

- As we can see through literal exposition above, firstly John was caught and he was brought here to our days, the days of Apocalypse, the Lord's Day, that is the 7th and last Day, showing the spiritual conditions of the Churches of this present time here on earth. The ancient Churches of Asia were only and only a reference to show the conditions of the Churches of our days, by the way infested of apostasies.

- After John be caught until our days, that is the Lord's Day, and being him in the earth yet in the Lord's Day, when he did see the conditions of the Churches of today, whose spiritual conditions is similar to the conditions of the seven Churches of Asia in ancient time, yeah, now ONCE AGAIN John was caught but of this time AS A GUEST to the 3rd heaven, that is the Kingdom of God, being him still here on the earth and in the Lord's Day. Only from this point John did write the things he did see in the 3rd heaven as we can see from the chapter 4 to the 22 of Revelation, understand?

Said this as a recapitulation of the posts above, let us describe how did run the happenings described in Revelation 5.

REVELATION 5

Note that the Chapter 4 is a description of the opening of a great Ceremony, and describes the things that had inside the celestial environment including the sealed book, and who was there in the great Ceremony in the heavenly environment of the third heaven, which is the heavenly environment of the Kingdom of God.

In this comments, I call attention of all on this: Where is written "I" "he", "him", "elders", in the verses, I will write the name of each one or the names of the group of beings whenever possible.

REVELATION 5 - THE GREAT OPENING OF THE HEAVENLY CEREMONY

God the Father was still in the environment but about to go to His rest

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THE SEALED BOOK


5:v.1 And I saw in the right hand of Him sat on the throne, a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. Until this moment, God the Father had not delivered still the sealed book to JESUS, so its content was in secret yet. Even JESUS did not know until this moment what the Father had hidden in the sealed book since ancient times.

THE GREAT CEREMONY AND THE GREAT EXPECTATION OR SUSPENSE

We must see that there was a great expectation of the millions of angels, among archangels and Cherubs and elders, in fact the heavenly environment was filled with heavenly inhabitants and the most important thing was that the King - JESUS, the Word made flesh - was present and seated on the throne for this wonderful Cerimony. The focus of the great heavenly Ceremony was to know if Jesus Himself being the King would open the book, or if He would give it to another who could be worthy to open the book besides Him Himself, of course.

THE GREAT QUESTION

v.2 And John AS A GUEST saw a strong angel (an Archangel) proclaiming with a loud voice in the midst of the great heavenly multitude, saying: "Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?" JESUS, crowned as King of kings and Lord of Lords was sat on the throne looking the celestial multitude and the sealed book. No one from the heavenly crowd there presented himself as if he was able to open the book. No one of the multitude answer the question of the strong angel, there was total silence. With this question the strong angel of the Lord (an Archangel) wanted to tell to the great heavenly crowd if there was anyone worthy to open the book and break their seven seals besides JESUS. No one of the multitude answer the question. The silence was total. It was it. Thus was the celestial environment when John did write the verse 3 that says:

THE WRONG CONCEPTION OF JOHN, THE GUEST
v.3 And no MAN in heaven (angels, archangels, Cherubs, even JESUS), nor in earth, neither under the earth, was ABLE to open the book, neither to look thereon.

NO MAN IN HEAVEN
Yes, in the first moment John did think that "No one" of the heavenly crowd there presented himself as if he was able to open the book. "No MAN in heaven" with the exception of JESUS of course, who was there to receive the sealed book from the Father. The King of kings was present there who in fact was able to open the book and break up its seven seals.

NO MAN IN EARTH

Under heaven no MAN in EARTH (except JESUS IF He were here), was able to open the sealed book.

NO MAN UNDER THE EARTH
Under the earth were the apostles, and countless disciples, even the own mother of JESUS, which are waiting their resurrection in this Lord's Day, no one were ABLE to open the book, neither to look thereon.
By the way, speaking of resurrection, it is opportune to reveal here that it will happen now, even now, in this Lord's Day. The apostles, inclusive the own John the Apostle who was in the heavenly Cerimony, and the mother of JESUS, and countless disciples, will resurrect now, even now, and the powers in heaven will be shaken. It will be as an earthquake.

THE WRONG CONCEPTION OF JOHN, THE GUEST, CONTINUES

v.4 And John wept much, because no MAN was found worthy to OPEN and to READ the book, neither to look thereon. John, AS A GUEST, in the first moment he did think that "no man was found worthy to open the book and break up its seven seals, neither to look thereon" (v.3), and now in the verse 4 he cried a lot because he did think that "no man was found worthy to OPEN and to READ the book, neither to look thereon", for for John even Jesus would not go to open the book, and reveal the secrets described therein. But one of the elders took care to undo this misperception of the Apostle, as we can see in verses 5 and 6 which explains this by itself, as follows:

ONE OF THE ELDERS UNDO THE WRONG CONCEPTION OF JOHN - JESUS WAS THERE

v.5 And one of the elders saith unto John, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David - the Lord JESUS - hath prevailed to OPEN the book, and to BREAK UP the seven seals thereof.
Then John's eyes were opened as shown in verse 6: Remember that in the chapter 4 John did see that in the great Ceremony there were four Cherubs, and day and night they never stop saying “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty - JESUS -, which was, and is, and is to come.
v.6 And John beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four Cherubs, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth, The seven spirits of God are: the spirit of wisdom, and the spirit of understanding, and the spirit of counsel, and the spirit of might, and the spirit of knowledge, and the spirit of fear of the Lord, and the holy spirit.

THE SEALED BOOK IS DELIVERED TO JESUS

v.7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
God Father delivered the sealed book to JESUS and since now He entered in His rest, and JESUS assume the control not only of the whole Earth but also of the Universe. The sealed book was with JESUS. JESUS is sat on the throne as King of kings and Lord of lords, and will open it. Around Him are ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands of angels, and the 24 elders, and 4 Cherubs: The 24 elders are: Moses - and Joshua - and Samuel - Ezra - Nehemiah - Job - David - Solomon - Isaiah - Jeremiah - Ezekiel -Daniel - Hosea - Joel - Amos - Obadiah - Jonah - Micah - Nahum - Habakkuk - Zephaniah - Haggai - Zechariah - Malachi.
8 And when JESUS took the book, the four Cherubs and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS ESTABLISHED ON EARTH

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the Cherubs and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and Honour, and Glory, and Power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
14 And the four Cherubs said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped Him that liveth for ever and ever.

JESUS open the book and break up one of the seven seals. This first seal reveals the PROPHETIC union between Christ and His Church (Rev.6:v.1-2)

REVELATION 6 - JESUS OPEN THE SEALED BOOK AND BREAK UP THE SEVEN SEALS

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REVELATION 6 - JESUS OPEN THE SEALED BOOK AND BREAK UP THE SEVEN SEALS


JESUS open the SEALED book and break up THE FIRST of its seven seals.

v.1 John saw when JESUS opened one of the seals, and he heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four Cherubs saying, Come and see.
v.2 And John saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a BOW; and a crown was given unto him: and he goes forth conquering, and to conquer.


As all can see, one of the four Cherubs called John and shows to him a white horse and its noble rider, to whom was given ONLY a BOW to do his works, and he received a crown and goes forth conquering, and to conquer for establishing the Kingdom of God.
This first seal reveals the PROPHETIC union between Christ and His Church, as it is revealed in Psalms 45:v.2-8, among others, as follows:

2 Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever.
3 Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O most mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty.
4 And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things.
5 Thine ARROWS (this is the reason by which was given to the noble rider a BOW) are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; whereby the people fall under thee.
6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
8 All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad.


THE BATTLE WILL BE KINGDOM AGAINST KINGDOM
- the God's Kingdom against
the Devil's kingdom - (Rev.11:v.15 & 18)

The kingdoms of THIS WORLD (world of the Devil) are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever. (Rev.11:v.15)

The nations will be angry (yeah, the nations ruled by the spirit of Devil will be angry)
and the wrath of God is come (yeah, the wrath of God will fall upon them all), and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that God should give reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name, small and great; and He should destroy them which destroy the earth.(Rev.11:v.18)

THE RED HORSE AND ITS RIDER

v.3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second Cherub say, Come and see.
v.4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

The rider of the red horse is the most powerful MAN that is reigning in the earth IN THE PRESENT TIME and he is doing his works, for power was given to him to take peace from the earth and that the inhabitants of the earth should kill one another: unto him was given a great sword.

We are already living within the time period of these first two horses and their respective riders. These two riders above are already running in the earth and each one is doing the works which were destined unto they both to do.

Be ready, another two terrible horses and their satanic riders, i.e. the black and the pale horses, will manifest soon, from now on.
Thus saith the Lord God; An evil, an only evil, behold, is come.

An end is come, the end is come: it watches for thee; behold, it is come.
The morning is come unto thee, O thou that dwells in the land: the time is come, the day of trouble is near, and not the sounding again of the mountains.
Now will I shortly pour out my fury upon thee, and accomplish mine anger upon thee: and I will judge thee according to thy ways, and will recompense thee for all thine abominations.
And mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: I will recompense thee according to thy ways and thine abominations that are in the midst of thee; and ye shall know that I am the Lord that smites.
Behold the day, behold, it is come: the morning is gone forth; the rod has blossomed, pride has budded.
Hear ye the rod, and who has appointed it.
The Lord's voice cries unto the city, and the man of wisdom shall see thy name.

May the Lord God bless and keep us and give us His protection. Amen

In Christ JESUS, KING of kings and LORD of lords

Oseas

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I have a question. :) (or two)

Are you saying you believe the third seal is what is next, and that that seal is what is scheduled to be opened "after two days" / "in the third day" (per Hosea 5:15-6:3, quoted below), or are you saying a different time-frame (i.e. something else)? :



5:15 I will go and return to my place, till they [Israel] acknowledge their [Israel's] offence, and seek my face: in their [Israel's] affliction they [Israel] will seek me early [/earnestly].

6:1 Come, and let us [Israel] return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us [/Israel]; he hath smitten, and he will bind us [Israel] up.

2 After two days will he revive us [Israel]: in the third day he will raise us [Israel] up, and we [Israel] shall live in his sight.

3 Then shall we [Israel] know, if we [Israel] follow on to know the Lord: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us [Israel] as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.


So my question has to do with (what I thought you wrote somewhere ^ in all those posts) the idea expressed that we are now in "that time"... (by that, do you mean "time for the third seal"?), and if you mean this, do you believe that the estimated-time-of-its-arrival is based roughly on the above passage (among others, perhaps, but I'm asking specifically about the above passage), and if you do believe it is based on that passage (among others), do you believe (according to what the passage seems to be saying) that it is factored from "the time frame" mentioned in verse 15 ^ , that is, [say] "from 32ad" (meaning, rather than from an earlier point in time that would've meant arrived, for example, around the year 2000 [to happen any time thereafter, I guess], rather something at least [or, roughly] 32 years after that point/32 years after the yr 2000?) Is my question making sense? My question boils down to, why do you believe "that time has arrived" in view of this (if I've understood you)?
 

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My other question:

Acts 3:21 [blb] -

"whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age."

Since in this chapter Peter was speaking to "ye men of Israel" who were not yet saved/converted/repented (as to the identity of their Messiah) and yet calls them "brethren" (meaning, his Jewish/Israelites "brethren" some of whom DO come to "believe" [chpt 4:4]), do you then think that perhaps the subject Peter was covering (and spoke of in v.21b about) pertains "to Israel" and their expected and anticipated promises, promised to Israel? (as opposed to speaking more broadly of things which were promised from the time of creation?) Meaning, do you think Peter could have been speaking more pointedly regarding the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom, as opposed to wider topic? Am I making sense? :D


[I guess this question relates to how some interpret Heb11:13 ("these all died in faith, not having received the promises") to be referring to "all of those listed from the beginning of the chpt," whereas others to mean only those listed from "Abraham" v.8 onward to that point]
 
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I have a question. :) (or two)

Are you saying you believe the third seal is what is next, and that that seal is what is scheduled to be opened "after two days" / "in the third day" (per Hosea 5:15-6:3, quoted below), or are you saying a different time-frame (i.e. something else)? :

5:15 I will go and return to my place, till they [Israel] acknowledge their [Israel's] offence, and seek my face: in their [Israel's] affliction they [Israel] will seek me early [/earnestly].

6:1 Come, and let us [Israel] return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us [/Israel]; he hath smitten, and he will bind us [Israel] up.

2 After two days will he revive us [Israel]: in the third day he will raise us [Israel] up, and we [Israel] shall live in his sight.

3 Then shall we [Israel] know, if we [Israel] follow on to know the Lord: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us [Israel] as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

The book sealed with seven seals - the book of Revelation - was delivered by God the Father to JESUS (Rev.1:v.1) and He has already opened all seven seals sequentially, one by one, and the content of each one are written in the book of Apocalypse or Revelation also sequentially. And each seal has its specific moment determined by God Almighty to be fulfilled and executed, just as it was written in the book.

All things and all events that are written separately on each of the seven seals will happen now in this Lord's Day, which were "scheduled to be fulfilled "after two days" / "in the third day" (per Hosea 5:15-6:3 ...), as you have interpreted through Scriptures.
So not only the third seal specificaly will be fulfilled in this Lord's Day, but all seven seals. By the way, the Lord's Day has already started, but we are just in the beginning of it, I would say a few minutes past mid-night on God's clock.

All virgins need to wake up urgently. They are still asleep.


About the third Day, the Lord's Day or 7th and Last Day after Adam or yet 7th and last Millennium

JESUS made a refference to the prophecy of Hoseas 5:15 & 6:1-3, when He said to the Jews: John 2:v.19 & 21:

19 ... Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

21 But He spake of the temple of His body. - (the Church is His body, and it will fulfil literally in this third Day after His first coming, that is also the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium, after Adam.)



Again - Hosea 5:15-6:3

5:15 I will go and return to my place, till they [Israel] acknowledge their [Israel's] offence, and seek my face: in their [Israel's] affliction they [Israel] will seek me early [/earnestly].
6:1 Come, and let us [Israel] return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us [/Israel]; he hath smitten, and he will bind us [Israel] up.
2 After two days will he revive us [Israel]: in the third day he will raise us [Israel] up, and we [Israel] shall live in his sight.
3 Then shall we [Israel] know, if we [Israel] follow on to know the Lord: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us [Israel] as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

When will these words of the prophet Hosea be fulfilled?

The literal fulfilment of this prophecy of Hosea is described in Revelation 1:v.5-8 and also in the things described in the 6th seal - Rev. 6:v.12-17 - as well as in Rev. chapter 7, whose happenings are within the 6th seal yet in the sequence of Rev. 6:v.12-17.

May our Lord God bless and keep us and give us His protection
In Christ JESUS

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My other question:
Acts 3:21 [blb] -
"whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age."

Since in this chapter Peter was speaking to "ye men of Israel" who were not yet saved/converted/repented (as to the identity of their Messiah) and yet calls them "brethren" (meaning, his Jewish/Israelites "brethren" some of whom DO come to "believe" [chpt 4:4]), do you then think that perhaps the subject Peter was covering (and spoke of in v.21b about) pertains "to Israel" and their expected and anticipated promises, promised to Israel? (as opposed to speaking more broadly of things which were promised from the time of creation?) Meaning, do you think Peter could have been speaking more pointedly regarding the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom, as opposed to wider topic? Am I making sense? :D

[I guess this question relates to how some interpret Heb11:13 ("these all died in faith, not having received the promises") to be referring to "all of those listed from the beginning of the chpt," whereas others to mean only those listed from "Abraham" v.8 onward to that point

Beloved, to speak of the Word of God by the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, is of a great joy. This is what we can see manifested in Peter Apostle, he was powerfully inspired by the Holy Spirit announcing the rich promises offered by the Most High God to the people of Israel since ancient time, which were proclaimed by the prophets.

But the intention of the Spirit was to open eyes of the people to the light of the Word of God. Peter the Apostle was preaching to all the people indistinctly, great or small, for he clearly knew by the Holy Spirit that they all were fully bound in dense darkness. The message now was of a New Testament and the people of Israel needed to understand and believing in this NT and to live under a new perspective of life in God through JESUS Christ.

The Holy Spirit, through the Apostle Peter, accompanied by John the Apostle, searched to open the eyes of all people in manner they could understand and believe in the literal fulfilment of all things written in the Word of God and announced by the prophets, beginning by Moses, as is written in Acts 3:v.13-26, saying:

13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer (Barabbas) to be granted unto you;
15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
26 Unto you first God, having raised up His Son Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
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Now let us see and compare the things above with the things that will happen from now on.

Acts 3:v.14-15:

14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer (Barabbas) to be granted unto you;
15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.


What will happen now in our days, from now on?

What will happen is the fulfilment of the prophecy of our Lord JESUS Christ that is written in John 5:v.42-43, saying to the Jews:
42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name (a false messiah, an IMPOSTER), him ye will receive.


This prophecy of our Lord JESUS about this IMPOSTOR, the false messiah, will fulfil literally now in our days and soon, for as is written

in 2 Thessalonians 2, that man of sin will be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposes and exaltes himself above all that is called

God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. This satanic event is the

Abomination of desolation which will be established in Israel during 3 years and half, or 42 months or yet 1.260 days. Even him, whose

coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in

them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Now let us compare these two happenings: In the first coming of JESUS the people of Israel reject Him and preferred a murderer called Barabbas. The same will occur now with absolute certain: The people of Israel will aclaim the MAN of sin and son of perdition as their messiah, a false messiah, AN IMPOSTOR, as such as they preferred the murderer Barabbas insted JESUS. Then will fulfil what JESUS prophesied, saying: "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name (a false messiah, an IMPOSTER), him ye will receive".

JESUS said: John 5:v.44-47

44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father (God the Father): there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Be ready because the Abomination of Desolation as was prophesied by Daniel and confirmed by our Lord JESUS Christ, it is at door.

Be ready because the Abomination of Desolation, enthroned in the temple of Jerusalem through a pseudo "messiah", as it was prophesied by Daniel and confirmed by our Lord JESUS Christ, is at door to rule the world in the second period of three years and half.

The FIRST Beast, the Pope, through the Great Whore which rides upon him, the Roman Catholic Church, will rule the Antichrist Empire in the first 42 months (Revelation 13:v.5) together with the second Beast that will rise up out of the earth (Israel), the false messiah, who has two horns like a lamb (a false lamb, a false messiah), i.e. he represents two kingdoms, the kingdom of Israel (ten tribes) and the kingdom of Judah (two tribes), and he spake as a Dragon. He will exerciseth all the power of the FIRST Beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the FIRST Beast.

Be ready. Be careful. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the Devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; (Eph; 6:11-14)
 

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First we need to remember that angels are messengers of God or preachers of the Word of God. Rev. 1:v.1 - The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto Him, to shew unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass; and He sent and signified it by His angel unto his servant John. Rev.22:v.16 : 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
Furthermore, angels are also Ministers of the Churches as is showed in the seven Churches of Asia. JESUS said John the Baptist was an angel who was born out of the Word of God, such as was anounced by the prophets of the OT.
Umm could you throw passage/s, verse/s that tells us "Jesus said John the Baptist was an angel..."?

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I like to se you express Truth that we cant nail down, that we cant say it means this and no more. Nailing down the Truth of God is to stop learning: the more we learn the more we know how little we know. I suppose its ok to nail down the Truth, we did at the cross, though it's to late for that, and time to acknowledge the mystery. "In the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when He shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished as He declared to His servants the prophets." What we are told of the mystery is God is God gathering all things in Christ, of things in heaven and things in earth.
The Bible has many levels of understanding but one thing used throughout are basic forms of grammar that when used in the right
way make it as understandable as any other text book. Those who want to know Gods purpose for their lives and his plan for humanity as a whole will find it. Those who want to see a different purpose and outcome will invent one by using their own fantasies and interpretations instead.
 
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Umm could you throw passage/s, verse/s that tells us "Jesus said John the Baptist was an angel..."?
1 - Firstly I would like to say the birth of John the Baptist was prophetical. Isaiah and Malachi prophesied about John the Baptist.
Around 700 years BC Isaiah prophesied the birth of John the Baptist: Isaiah 40:v.3 - 3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. And John the Baptist said: John 1:v.23: "I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias". Yeah, John bare witness of the Lord JESUS, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that comes after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. John the Baptist meant in his answer his birth and coming in the earth was revealed to the prophet some centuries ago, but the existence of the Lord JESUS was much time before him, it was since the beginning even before the world was.

2 - The NAME of John came from heaven. The angel Gabriel, that attend in the presence of God; was sent to speak unto Zachariah and shew glad tidings unto him, saying: Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his NAME John.

Scriptures show us clearly how the Most High and Almighty God sends His angels here on Earth.

By the way, Scriptures show us how was the birth of God - JESUS - here on Earth. The same angel Gabriel was sent by God - God is a title, the Word is the invisible God - unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, to a virgin whose name was Mary, espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; And Gabriel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou has found favour with God. And, behold, thou shall conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his NAME Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto Him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of His kingdom there shall be no end. The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Even the own God - the Word is God - was made flesh, and thus was born here on the Earth.

3 - Answering your question: Matthew 11:9-11
JESUS said: 9 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and MORE than a prophet. 10 For this is he, of whom it is written (in Isaiah and Malachi), Behold, I send my messenger - my angel - before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. 11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist:

4 - By the way, meditate on this: Matthew 13:v.49-50
JESUS said: 49 So shall it be at the END of the world: the angels - the messengers - shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

5 - About angels or messengers - 2 Corinthians 11:12-15
12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an ANGEL -
MESSENGER- of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers - MINISTERS OF DEVIL - also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

6 - Revelation 12: v.7 - 7 And there was War in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the Dragon; and the Dragon - the red Dragon - through his 7 heads and 10 horns and a TAIL, fought and his angels,

You know: the red Dragon has 7 heads, 10 horns and a TAIL.

Which side will you be in this war?
 

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I believe that Matthew 13:24,30,39,40,49-50 is shown to be in the exact opposite sequence as that of our Rapture; and that it is set at the same time-slot as Matthew 25:31-34 [as is also Matthew 19:28 re: "the 12" (see also Lk22:30,16,18 ['sit on twelve thrones'] and Matt26:29)], note: no "goats" are to be "UP IN Heaven" (this is at His "RETURN" to the earth); and that "the least of these My brethren" are not the ones BEING "judged/separated" in this context (but are the ones to whom the "ye BLESSED" aided [/'blessed'], and the "ye CURSED" did not aid [/'bless'], during the specific limited time period leading UP TO His return to the earth).

None of these three categories (the "Sheep [of the nations (pl)]," the "goats [of the nations (pl)]," or "the least of these My brethren" (who I believe are the faithful remnant of Israel [nation (singular)] having come to faith WITHIN the trib years [AFTER our Rapture]), none of those three groups is "the Church which is His body"
 
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3 - Answering your question: Matthew 11:9-11
JESUS said: 9 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and MORE than a prophet. 10 For this is he, of whom it is written (in Isaiah and Malachi), Behold, I send my messenger - my angel - before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. 11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist:
This is faulty reasoning, the Greek aggelos can mean either messenger or angel. In John's case he was born of human parents therefore to call him an angel is in error.
 
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This is faulty reasoning, the Greek aggelos can mean either messenger or angel. In John's case he was born of human parents therefore to call him an angel is in error.

What you have written is a false testimony of the Word of God (God is a title, the Word is God, the invisible God.)

John was born by the power of the Word of God and in accord the words God had announced by the mouth of the prophets Isaiah and Malachi centuries BC. If this were not so, John the Baptist would never had been born. His birth was by prophecy like the birth of JESUS, it was prophetical. Furthermore, God put the name of John in the child, not the parents of him. The NAME of John came from heaven. The angel Gabriel, that attend in the presence of God; was sent to speak unto Zachariah and shew glad tidings unto him, saying: Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his NAME John. They had no child, because Elisabeth was barren, and they were both old, well along in years, understand?

Zachariah said to the angel Gabriel in human form: Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife is also old, well along in years. The birth of John the Baptist was by the power of the Word of God like the birth of JESUS by a virgin, If this were not so, John the Baptist would never had been born.

John the Baptist was and is an angel of the Lord, This is not faulty reasoning absolutely, but a revelation, to call him of angel of the Lord is not an error, but God's Truth, He - God - made John be born.

Now the natural man does not receive the things from the Spirit of God — to him they are foolishness or nonsense! Moreover, he is unable to grasp them, because they are evaluated through the Spirit.
 
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What you have written is a false testimony of the Word of God (God is a title, the Word is God, the invisible God.)

John was born by the power of the Word of God and in accord the words God had announced by the mouth of the prophets Isaiah and Malachi centuries BC. If this were not so, John the Baptist would never had been born. His birth was by prophecy like the birth of JESUS, it was prophetical. Furthermore, God put the name of John in the child, not the parents of him. The NAME of John came from heaven. The angel Gabriel, that attend in the presence of God; was sent to speak unto Zachariah and shew glad tidings unto him, saying: Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his NAME John. They had no child, because Elisabeth was barren, and they were both old, well along in years, understand?

Zachariah said to the angel Gabriel in human form: Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife is also old, well along in years. The birth of John the Baptist was by the power of the Word of God like the birth of JESUS by a virgin, If this were not so, John the Baptist would never had been born.

John the Baptist was and is an angel of the Lord, This is not faulty reasoning absolutely, but a revelation, to call him of angel of the Lord is not an error, but God's Truth, He - God - made John be born.

Now the natural man does not receive the things from the Spirit of God — to him they are foolishness or nonsense! Moreover, he is unable to grasp them, because they are evaluated through the Spirit.
Your argument is fallacious Ossy.

Isaac was born to Abraham when Sarah was barren and they were both of extreme age, does that mean Isaac was an angel also? NO.

Give it up now.
 
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Your argument is fallacious Ossy.
No, my argument was not fallacious, absolutely. I work with the Word of God, you not. God is Spirit. The Word is God.

saac was born to Abraham when Sarah was barren and they were both of extreme age, does that mean Isaac was an angel also? NO.
I did not say John the Baptist was angel because he was born from a barren woman, but because John was born by the power of the Word of God and in accord the words God had announced by the mouth of the prophets Isaiah and Malachi centuries BC. If this were not so, I mean, If God had not announced the birth of John through His prophets, John the Baptist would never had been born, do you understand? His birth was by prophecy like the birth of JESUS, it was prophetical. Furthermore, God put the name of John in the child, not the parents of John. The NAME of John came from heaven, he has not an earthly NAME, but heavenly.

Remember, JESUS said: Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. (Mat.11:v.11) You should believe in the words of JESUS and keep them in your heart if you want to speak the Truth. God is Truth.


Friend, I will never give up on Truth, God is Truth. By the way, God is a title, the Word is God, the invisible God. Do you believe in Him? Will be? There are three that bear record in heaven, God the Father, the Word - the Word made flesh - , and the Holy Spirit: and these three are One
 
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I believe that Matthew 13:24,30,39,40,49-50 is shown to be in the exact opposite sequence as that of our Rapture; and that it is set at the same time-slot as Matthew 25:31-34 [as is also Matthew 19:28 re: "the 12" (see also Lk22:30,16,18 ['sit on twelve thrones'] and Matt26:29)], note: no "goats" are to be "UP IN Heaven" (this is at His "RETURN" to the earth); and that "the least of these My brethren" are not the ones BEING "judged/separated" in this context (but are the ones to whom the "ye BLESSED" aided [/'blessed'], and the "ye CURSED" did not aid [/'bless'], during the specific limited time period leading UP TO His return to the earth).
None of these three categories (the "Sheep [of the nations (pl)]," the "goats [of the nations (pl)]," or "the least of these My brethren" (who I believe are the faithful remnant of Israel [nation (singular)] having come to faith WITHIN the trib years [AFTER our Rapture]), none of those three groups is "the Church which is His body"

How do you describe the "rapture"?
 
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Lol. The rapture has not occurred.

It will occur AFTER the final tribulation and right before the Earth is BURNED UP by unquenchable fire until all is dissolved (2 Peter 3:10). Jesus will return after the tribulation to gather up His saints in the air and the dead will arise and be judged and the Earth will be destroyed and rebuilt and there will be a new Jerusalem come down from Heaven.

It will be an amazing time.
There are no verses indicating that.
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