Faith

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one has to find what is salvation within norms of God - what God proposed to everybody not exceptional things

so to say - obligatory spiritual things
their are three according to the HoScri

1 common salvation
2 common punishment/correction ,education /
3 common faith
 
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It is OUR faith in Jesus that saves.

Jesus said, "if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins" (John 8:24).
I wonder when JESUS said Its YOUR faith that saved you that faith In that time was the same as the word believe that a human being would use.

The reason I say faith In that time meant to believe with 5 sense knowledge Is because man cannot use the faith that JESUS had If they haven’t been given faith from JESUS.
 

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one has to find what is salvation within norms of God - what God proposed to everybody not exceptional things

so to say - obligatory spiritual things
their are three according to the HoScri

1 common salvation
2 common punishment/correction ,education /
3 common faith
These words do not convey meaning, they are just title headings
 
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These words do not convey meaning, they are just title headings
find in context them -there they have the certain sense and to extend the sense exist the whole holy scripture

it is given time to get knowledge of God from the Holy Scripture
who is ignoring it - or distorting it- will perish
it is not intellectual games here - death and life is not game
 
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Faith - one faith should be - unique and sole like of Christ

Salvation - in the Holy spirit Rebirth and re-newness -process of spiritual activities of the Holy spirit in the heart which starts really when one is received after becoming believer - should pray for it

Education - punishment from God every day - to be holy
 
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Quick reference
thread called Faith

which faith can save believer ? about what sort faith here has been said ?

faith alive or dead faith ?

what is faith alive ?
Faith that Is alive saves.
Faith Is fruit of the Spirit and can only be given to us from JESUS,JESUS,the vine and we are the branches receiving sustenance from the vine
How would man use the faith that saves of himself In his own strength?IThink he would have to use sensory knowledge that he uses to believe and then JESUS will give them rest.

JESUS said that If OUR faith Is only as big as a mustard seed we could move mountains.
 
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Faith that Is alive saves.
Faith Is fruit of the Spirit and can only be given to us from JESUS,JESUS,the vine and we are the branches receiving sustenance from the vine
How would man use the faith that saves of himself In his own strength?IThink he would have to use sensory knowledge that he uses to believe and then JESUS will give them rest.

JESUS said that If OUR faith Is only as big as a mustard seed we could move mountains.
yes

apostles in that time asked to multiply there faith
Jesus said - nothing you have from what could be done multiplication
they did not have the faith of God

if you would have - would be visible that you have by manifestations of it

have to receive the Holy spirit and be filled with Him - then there's hope to have one from Him
 
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not at all
first has to suffer on the cross much more then Jesus by time
and to have broken legs

are you ready for this ?
salvation on the cross ?

it is exceptional salvation - out of norm
apostle Paul was preaching standard way of salvation - the rebirth of spiritual baptism

one has to find what is salvation within norms of God - what God proposed to everybody not exceptional things
Wouldn’t the thief on the cross be one of the everybodies?Also why would GOD use a sliding scale for some.That Is pure fleshy thinking.
 

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find in context them -there they have the certain sense and to extend the sense exist the whole holy scripture

it is given time to get knowledge of God from the Holy Scripture
who is ignoring it - or distorting it- will perish
it is not intellectual games here - death and life is not game
Faith is belief in Jesus, the son of God who died and rose again as the atoning sacrifice for our sins
and works in our hearts to purify and transform us through our obedient walk into His likeness.

Without this faith and this walk we are lost.
The faith is the expression of acceptance of Christ as God and His message of redemption and hope
that in following Him we will be perfect as Jesus declared

21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and
you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
Matt 19
 

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I wonder when JESUS said Its YOUR faith that saved you that faith In that time was the same as the word believe that a human being would use.

The reason I say faith In that time meant to believe with 5 sense knowledge Is because man cannot use the faith that JESUS had If they haven’t been given faith from JESUS.
The early Jews, the same as ourselves today, firstly needed to believe Jesus is the promised Messiah. That is the first step. Following on from that we need to put out trust in Him, believing He can and will heal us of our sins.

Let me illustrate it like this. If we are sick, we go to see a doctor. We put our faith in him, believing he can and will heal us of our bodily ills, trusting him in all things. The faith, belief and trust that we have in the doctor are entirely ours.
 

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yes
apostles in that time asked to multiply there faith
Jesus said - nothing you have from what could be done multiplication
they did not have the faith of God
if you would have - would be visible that you have by manifestations of it
have to receive the Holy spirit and be filled with Him - then there's hope to have one from Him
Jesus did not say the words you are quoting or its intentions.
If you want to make certain points or present ideas can you quote the scriptures and
contexts from which you draw them, or else it just sounds like fanciful ideas :)
 
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The early Jews, the same as ourselves today, firstly needed to believe Jesus is the promised Messiah. That is the first step. Following on from that we need to put out trust in Him, believing He can and will heal us of our sins.

Let me illustrate it like this. If we are sick, we go to see a doctor. We put our faith in him, believing he can and will heal us of our bodily ills, trusting him in all things. The faith, belief and trust that we have in the doctor are entirely ours.
Would you agree that the faith of JESUS Is not the same as human faith called believing with human 5 sense knowledge?🙂
 

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Peter denied Jesus three times
all of them 11 run away in fear of death

who is born from God cannot sin and does not fear the death

open eyes - for this you need time and not one moment - ointment for eyes should be applied many times till one can see
After we are born again, we all do turn away from God at times just like Peter when we are drawn by our lust for the things of the world. We do not lose our eternal salvation, however we do temporary lose our fellowship with God until we repent.
 

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After we are born again, we all do turn away from God at times just like Peter when we are drawn by our lust for the things of the world. We do not lose our eternal salvation, however we do temporary lose our fellowship with God until we repent.
Do people lose their faith?
There is a sense in which if we believe Jesus is God, then how can we continue to do ourselves
harm by staying in sinful behaviour, and if our hearts change we want and enjoy other things.

So equally if we stay in sinful behaviour or return to it, we are hurting ourselves and the Lord.
There comes a point when we are so closed down and shut off, like Tina Turners song, "What
has love got to do with it", we have no living relationship and faith.

So I am suggesting that sin destroys our faith, it destroys our ability to trust God will forgive
us and leads us to a place where we say, it is all pointless.

What I am trying to say, is walking in Jesus is walking with an open emotional heart.
To continually do ourselves and others harm, causes us pain, which we can only survive by
becoming hard. Once we are hard, we do not notice sin or care about it.
Paul described this condition as reaping death.

So the living plant of faith lives by following and obeying Christ, walking in love.
It is damaged and hurt by the evil we do and the denial of the hurt we bring.
Is this a fair summary of things in Christ?
 
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After we are born again, we all do turn away from God at times just like Peter when we are drawn by our lust for the things of the world. We do not lose our eternal salvation, however we do temporary lose our fellowship with God until we repent.
who make sin is dead and is not born from God anymore
and who is spiritual - not dead - should pray that God given back the life - rebirth again to one who had made a sin
who is dead always does not see if he is producing death again and again by any sin

who is alive see - by his death
 
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Jesus did not say the words you are quoting or its intentions.
If you want to make certain points or present ideas can you quote the scriptures and
contexts from which you draw them, or else it just sounds like fanciful ideas :)
Young's Literal Translation
And Jesus said to them, 'Through your want of faith; for verily I say to you, if ye may have faith as a grain of mustard, ye shall say to this mount, Remove hence to yonder place, and it shall remove, and nothing shall be impossible to you,

no faith
 
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Faith is belief in Jesus, the son of God who died and rose again as the atoning sacrifice for our sins
and works in our hearts to purify and transform us through our obedient walk into His likeness.

Without this faith and this walk we are lost.
The faith is the expression of acceptance of Christ as God and His message of redemption and hope
that in following Him we will be perfect as Jesus declared

21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and
you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
Matt 19
faith should work

then it becomes saving one


Faith is belief in Jesus, the son of God who died and rose again as the atoning sacrifice for our sins
and works in our hearts to purify and transform us through our obedient walk into His likeness.

Without this faith and this walk we are lost.
The faith is the expression of acceptance of Christ as God and His message of redemption and hope
that in following Him we will be perfect as Jesus declared

21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and
you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
Matt 19
one is saved after receiving by faith the following -

King James Bible
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

and this has its own signs

without signs no rebirth has been taken place- only dreaming about
 
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who is born from God and reached perfection cannot turn from Jesus Christ - because He is living in him

first he needs crucify Christ in himself- destroy the mystery of godlessness which was rebuild in him
 
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Wouldn’t the thief on the cross be one of the everybodies?Also why would GOD use a sliding scale for some.That Is pure fleshy thinking.
no scale

but exception - by faith which is special in each case and personal

in case the faith common - participation in common salvation guaranteed