Whatever people say the mark of the beast is: its a lie.

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iamsoandso

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Hours upon hours spent in vain, neither side conceding nor budging in the face of obvious errors. I guess it’s better than hours wasted on beating the top score on Donkey Kong. Most of us, if not all of us will even be here to settle this literal vs figurative mark debate. This happens after two thirds of the population is wiped out, and a possible rapture takes place. It is then out of the ashes and dust of the physically devastated world a leader rises to govern. I’m not convinced it will be human. So much will happen before we are even confronted with this dilemma.

I think it not in vein,,,that is when two thirds of the population are wiped out it will be to late to help them so today is when to give a helping hand to those who otherwise will perish.
 
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The beast kingdom is unlike any kingdom before it, and is the kingdom of man in its entirety.

People only going by their own religion, the ways of a lion, Babylon, their own wisdom, the ways of a leopard, Greece, being physically cruel to take away everybody that opposes their kingdom, the ways of a bear, Medo-Persia, and the ten horns is the physical dominion of the beast, the Roman Empire, which the world is split in to ten sections with a leader in each section, which they shall devour the whole world, tread upon it, and break it pieces.

Which the Roman Empire does not lose their dominion until Jesus puts them down, then Babylon falls, and Medo-Persia falls, and Greece falls, for their ways are still on earth, which they shall never have physical dominion again, but their lives were prolonged for a time and season, for their ways are still on earth.

Although all nations come together as one the Roman Empire has the dominion until Jesus puts them down.

The beast kingdom is Babylon in spirit, for she represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man, which is what the beast kingdom is about.

Which Babylon's main mode of operation was human religion, Medo-Persia, physical cruelty, Greece, human wisdom, Roman Empire, pushing for power, dominion, which all 4 kingdoms went by the 4 modes of operation, but one of those modes was their main mode of operation, while the others was a minor mode of operation in whatever ratio it was.

So no kingdom before the beast kingdom was the kingdom of man in its entirety, but at the beast kingdom it is the main mode of operation of all 4 kingdoms in that kingdom, with no minor mode of operation.

Which is why it is the end, and they took away the hope of the world, so God can now end this sin business on earth.

Past kingdoms believed in a higher power, and whatever wisdom that they thought he gave to them, and even though they could be cruel they still thought they had to show some kind of compassion towards people, but at the beast kingdom they do not acknowledge any personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, evolutionary process, and they can still evolve to be greater, and spiritual, no God to fear, no God to offend, no God to obey, so they are unlike any kingdom before it.

So it is the end for all nations came together, and stopped the truth, for as long as one nation allows the truth to be preached, and practiced, even if they have falseness in it, such as Babylon when they had the revelation of God until they blew it, and America that allows the truth to be practiced, but they have falseness, and they too will blow it, the end would never come.

But all nations governments came together, and stopped the truth in favor of believing in no personal God, and that evolution is truth and reality.

So the beast kingdom is saying that it is all about people, and there is no higher power above them, which they will say I am, and there is no one else beside me, the daughter of Babylon, which sprang from you know which country that allowed religious diversity, all ethnic groups to be there, worldliness, anything goes multiculturism, like the Babylon kingdom of old, which was the start of why it all went down, and the world went to the beast kingdom.

Since the beast kingdom is the kingdom of man in its entirety the beast's agenda is that their technology, and devices, can solve the problems on earth, and help to achieve peace among people, and stop crime on earth.

So when they take the mark of the beast they are saying it is all about people with no higher power above them, and it seals them to where repentance, and salvation, can never be available to them again.

So after the world takes the mark of the beast it is over, and God can end this sin business on earth.

And then Jesus will put them down, the stone cut out of the mountain without hands, and then Babylon will fall, and then Medo-Persia will fall, and then Greece will fall, and then the Roman Empire will fall, for the statue in Daniel 2 representing these kingdoms does not fall until Jesus hits the toes of the image, the ten horn kingdom, the 7th king, and then the whole image falls, for the all their ways are still on earth.

Since the beast's agenda is it is all about people with no higher power above them, and their technology, and devices, can help to stop crime on earth, and bring about peace, what do people think it is.

And it will be to keep track of all people of the world, help to stop crime, be put in the right hand, or forehead, be used for the one world economic system, for no person can buy or sell without it, and used to identify the person.

What do people think it would be.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership, identification), that is, (figuratively) scar of service(to the beast): - mark.

The microchip stuck under the skin would make sense, and that is what it is, for it is people's technology, and devices, to help them to achieve peace on earth.

The microchip linked to satellite will be a tracking device for humans, a GPS tracking system for humans, so they will know everyone's location on earth, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the location, and how close they were to the crime scene, and to find lost people, which we see pointed out a lot these days, this person missing, and that person missing.

Trump already addressed it, and said that people on temporary visas should have a chip implanted so they can keep track of them, and if they already had that in place he said that 911 could of been avoided, but the chip will develop on the world wide scene at the beast kingdom, and be mandatory for all who follow the beast, and if Trump addressed it in that fashion of cutting down on crime then how close can it be to the beast kingdom.

When the nations come together repentance, and salvation is still available to the world for three and one half years, so it is longer than that time to the beast kingdom.

The chip will keep track of people to cut down on crime, and stop crime, for they can catch them beforehand, know who was in the area of a crime scene, and people will be scared to commit a crime for they might be found out, and they do not want to get rid of it for then they cannot buy, or sell, and it will reduce cost in lawyers, and judges, and police, for they can be tracked down easily, and can be found guilty without a trial.

Also when the chip is scanned it will cause a picture of them to pop up on computer with all information about them, identification, financial records, medical, and anything else pertaining to them, and if stuck under the skin it is more of a secure device that cannot be lost, unlike an identification card, or credit card.

The mark of the beast will be stuck under the skin, used for identification of the person, for the one world economic system, to keep track of the people, to cut down on crime, stop crime, to find lost people, and the beast's agenda is that it is all about people with no personal God above them, and that their technology, and devices can help to achieve peace on earth.

Continued,
 
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Continued,

What else do people think it is, and since they are saying it is all about people, with no higher power above them, and all about their technology, and devices, when taking the mark of the beast, that is why it is the mark of the beast, for they are saying it is all about people with no higher power above them.

The mark of the beast is the number of a man, a certain man, the man of sin, the New Age Christ, and that is because the beast kingdom is of the occult, and the occult believes in the power of numbers, and the grouping, timing, and adding of numbers, which they believe gives them more power, and 6 is the number of a man, so the man of sin, the beast, assigned the number 666, a triple 6 to himself, for he believes it will give him more power through nature, and a better chance at success for his kingdom to be established.

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The microchip is the mark of the beast, and God said here is wisdom, let he that has understanding count the number of the beast, so we can understand the mark of the beast for God said we can understand the mark of the beast.

Count the number of the beast, 600-Chi, 60-Xi, 6-Stigma, 3 words in the Greek, which tells us something stuck under the skin for identification of the person.

Why do people say we cannot understand the mark of the beast when God said we can understand the mark of the beast.

God tells us prophesy to warn us of things to avoid, and to avoid deception, like the new age movement that will pave the way to the beast kingdom, 1 Timothy 4:1-5, 2 Timothy 4:2-4, and Paul warning us when the nations come together to not be deceived by it for it is not of God, 1 Thessalonians 5:1-5, and people do not think that God would reveal to us the mark of the beast that shall doom the world for taking it.

The book of Revelation is not only for the saints, but it is also for the world, for it is a warning to the world to turn to God to escape what shall happen at that time, for the Bible says save some with compassion, and save some with fear.

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Daniel did not understand the end time, but what was told to go his way for he could not understand it, but the people at the end time will understand it for many shall run to and fro, advanced travel, and knowledge shall be increased, advanced technology, which allows the saints to be able to see, hear, and know what is going on in the earth, which they can understand what they are doing, and how it is possible for the nations to come together for they know about each other, and can travel to each other.

At the end time none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand, so count yourself wise, and God is surely working in your life if you understand the end time, and what the world is doing, and going to do is not truth or reality, for we cannot evolve to be greater, and spiritual, and there is a personal God above us, the God of Israel, the Lord Jesus Christ.

A person does not have to know the details of what is going on, but know not to follow the world when they say peace and safety for it is not of God, and it is a deception to try to cause people to believe that the correct interpretation of the Bible is of the occult, and evolution, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in spiritual enlightenment, and love, and an ascended master, and avatar, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process.
 

Ahwatukee

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Hours upon hours spent in vain, neither side conceding nor budging in the face of obvious errors. I guess it’s better than hours wasted on beating the top score on Donkey Kong. Most of us, if not all of us will even be here to settle this literal vs figurative mark debate. This happens after two thirds of the population is wiped out, and a possible rapture takes place. It is then out of the ashes and dust of the physically devastated world a leader rises to govern. I’m not convinced it will be human. So much will happen before we are even confronted with this dilemma.
Good day Hungry,

Most of us, if not all of us will even be here to settle this literal vs figurative mark debate.
Well, the literal side already has the edge on this. For if we read it in is plain, literal sense, i.e. without forcing a figurative meaning, then we know that there is going to be a mark which will go in/on the hand or the forehead. And that without it, no one will be able to buy or sell.

The other proof that the scripture is meaning in the literal sense, is because we are already seeing the technology for RFID chip implants, with one of its purposes being to make purchases. This will technology will continue to evolve so that this mark (whatever it turns out to be) will be in place for when that antichrist is revealed. We can already see that the entire world continues to move towards a cashless society, utilizing electronic crediting and debiting. It doesn't take much to see how this fits in with the scripture regarding the mark.

This happens after two thirds of the population is wiped out, and a possible rapture takes place.
The above is in the reverse chronological order, i.e. the gathering of the church will take place first, then the decimation of the majority of the population. What is soon to come upon the earth, is the long prophesied "day of the Lord." It will be a time of God's unprecedented wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgements, as well as the plagues that the two witnesses will bring upon the earth.

This debate about when the Lord comes to gather His church could be settled if people would understand the underlying principal, which is that Jesus already suffered God's wrath on behalf of every believer, satisfying it completely. God's wrath therefore no longer rests upon the believer and must be removed from the earth prior to the first seal being opened, which is what initiates the wrath of God. Not to mention the fact that we have scriptures which tell us that we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath and that Jesus rescues believers from God's coming wrath, any and all wrath. (Rom.5:9, I Thess.1:10, 5:9, Rev.3:10)

With just th3e accumulation of the first four seals and the sixth trumpet, a fourth and a third respectively, over half the earths population is killed and that is not including the fatalities resulting from trumpets 1, 2 and 3, nor from the bowl judgments. By the time that the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, there will be approximately 10% of the population left, if even that. This is supported by what Jesus said regarding this time of wrath: "unless those days had been shortened, no one would survive."

It is then out of the ashes and dust of the physically devastated world a leader rises to govern. I’m not convinced it will be human.
It is not out of the ashes that this world leader will arise, but he is represented by the first seal rider on the white horse. The second seal rider on the red horse will be given power to take peace from the earth so that mankind will kill each other. This antichrist will indeed be a man, as he is called "the man of lawlessness" and his mark is said to be "the number of a man." However, you are correct that the power behind him will not be human, but will be that beast who once was, now is not and yet will come. He is that angel who is currently in the Abyss and who will come up out of the Abyss at the sounding of the fifth trumpet:

"The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace."

"They were ruled by a king, the angel of the Abyss. His name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek it is Apollyon." - Rev.9:11

"The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction." - Rev.17:8

* The church must be gathered prior to God's wrath and the revealing of that antichrist - John 14:1-3, I Thess.4:13-18, I Cor.15:51-53

* The antichrist is revealed establishing a seven year covenant/treaty/league, with Israel - Dan.9:27

* God's wrath will run throughout the entire seven years via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments

* In the middle of the seven years the antichrist/beast sets up the abomination, causing Israel to flee out into the wilderness to that place that God will have prepared for her where she will be cared for during the last 3 1/2 years. - Matt.24:15-22, Rev.12:6, 14

* At the end of the seven years, after the seventh bowl has been poured out, Jesus will return to the earth, with the church and his angels, to end the age. - Matt.24:30-31, Rev.1:7, 19:11-21

* At that time the millennial kingdom will be established - Dan.2:31-45, Rev.20:1-7
 
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I think it not in vein,,,that is when two thirds of the population are wiped out it will be to late to help them so today is when to give a helping hand to those who otherwise will perish.
If most of the world are destroyed, I can guarantee the survivors will not be searching CC archives for what to do next. The ones here reading this now have already made up their minds what to think. Most of us think we are making this huge contribution to the Body of Christ by typing our conclusions (or maybe delusions) on what the Bible says. It’s all pointless, nobody changes their minds here. These debates are senseless. Granted it’s my opinion. After years of membership and hours of typing what I think is perfectly sound and rational, others have done to the contrary. All just chasing the wind. It would have been better to share love in a more practical way, like helping neighbors in need or visiting the elderly who are lonely, waiting to die.
 
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Good day Hungry,



Well, the literal side already has the edge on this. For if we read it in is plain, literal sense, i.e. without forcing a figurative meaning, then we know that there is going to be a mark which will go in/on the hand or the forehead. And that without it, no one will be able to buy or sell.

The other proof that the scripture is meaning in the literal sense, is because we are already seeing the technology for RFID chip implants, with one of its purposes being to make purchases. This will technology will continue to evolve so that this mark (whatever it turns out to be) will be in place for when that antichrist is revealed. We can already see that the entire world continues to move towards a cashless society, utilizing electronic crediting and debiting. It doesn't take much to see how this fits in with the scripture regarding the mark.



The above is in the reverse chronological order, i.e. the gathering of the church will take place first, then the decimation of the majority of the population. What is soon to come upon the earth, is the long prophesied "day of the Lord." It will be a time of God's unprecedented wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgements, as well as the plagues that the two witnesses will bring upon the earth.

This debate about when the Lord comes to gather His church could be settled if people would understand the underlying principal, which is that Jesus already suffered God's wrath on behalf of every believer, satisfying it completely. God's wrath therefore no longer rests upon the believer and must be removed from the earth prior to the first seal being opened, which is what initiates the wrath of God. Not to mention the fact that we have scriptures which tell us that we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath and that Jesus rescues believers from God's coming wrath, any and all wrath. (Rom.5:9, I Thess.1:10, 5:9, Rev.3:10)

With just th3e accumulation of the first four seals and the sixth trumpet, a fourth and a third respectively, over half the earths population is killed and that is not including the fatalities resulting from trumpets 1, 2 and 3, nor from the bowl judgments. By the time that the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, there will be approximately 10% of the population left, if even that. This is supported by what Jesus said regarding this time of wrath: "unless those days had been shortened, no one would survive."



It is not out of the ashes that this world leader will arise, but he is represented by the first seal rider on the white horse. The second seal rider on the red horse will be given power to take peace from the earth so that mankind will kill each other. This antichrist will indeed be a man, as he is called "the man of lawlessness" and his mark is said to be "the number of a man." However, you are correct that the power behind him will not be human, but will be that beast who once was, now is not and yet will come. He is that angel who is currently in the Abyss and who will come up out of the Abyss at the sounding of the fifth trumpet:

"The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace."

"They were ruled by a king, the angel of the Abyss. His name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek it is Apollyon." - Rev.9:11

"The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction." - Rev.17:8

* The church must be gathered prior to God's wrath and the revealing of that antichrist - John 14:1-3, I Thess.4:13-18, I Cor.15:51-53

* The antichrist is revealed establishing a seven year covenant/treaty/league, with Israel - Dan.9:27

* God's wrath will run throughout the entire seven years via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments

* In the middle of the seven years the antichrist/beast sets up the abomination, causing Israel to flee out into the wilderness to that place that God will have prepared for her where she will be cared for during the last 3 1/2 years. - Matt.24:15-22, Rev.12:6, 14

* At the end of the seven years, after the seventh bowl has been poured out, Jesus will return to the earth, with the church and his angels, to end the age. - Matt.24:30-31, Rev.1:7, 19:11-21

* At that time the millennial kingdom will be established - Dan.2:31-45, Rev.20:1-7
This is why it’s pointless. I see the horsemen not as actual people exactly. I see the final days playout like this:

1. We are in the prehorseman stage, time of troubles

2. Soon there will be the seals and “horseman” which ushers in all sorts of worldly conflict. This is partly government and partly humanity lost and poor stewardship, but also because there is something on its way

3. This is followed by...the something. It wouldn’t be crazy to educate oneself on Nibiru. I’m not saying you need to believe everything written but a huge heavenly mass flying by would explain the sixth seal.

4. This will devastate the face of the planet and leave nations in ruins. Enter governmental collapse and survivor mentality. People will just want a leader, any leader. Enter the beast.

5. Sure there will be nay sayers but it sure looks as though Christ returns to mt Zion in chapter 14. This starts a military campaign with Christ and the 144000 vs the beast and his armies. This finishes at Armegeddon.

I read it to be more of a Star Wars physical battle with spiritual sides. If you read the Bible from start to finish without preconceptions and interpret things the way they are written instead of explained by tradition, it tells a different sort of story. It’s not some mystical unexplainable thing. Perhaps when it was written it was, but not anymore.
 

iamsoandso

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If most of them are destroyed, I can guarantee the survivors will not be searching CC archives for what to do next. The ones here reading this now have already made up their minds what to think. Most of us think we are making this huge contribution to the Body of Christ by typing our conclusions (or maybe delusions) on what the Bible says. It’s all pointless, nobody changes their minds here. These debates are senseless. Granted it’s my opinion. After years of membership and hours of typing what I think is perfectly sound and rational, others have done to the contrary. All just chasing the wind. It would have been better to share love in a more practical way, like helping neighbors in need or visiting the elderly who are lonely, waiting to die.[/QUOTEr]


I suppose I understand your point in that many do already have their minds made up on this. I think in view of what Paul wrote in about ad50(almost 20 years after our Lords Crucifixion) https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_thessalonians/2.htm that the day of the Lord was not yet (present,verse 2) and that some are of the mind that it took place prior to the letters to the Thessalonians (ad50ish). Others see this accomplished in ad70 without fully accounting for the criteria set forth by the Scriptures.

That is that there will be first a falling away,an apostasy or rebellion from the truth and then the MoL revealed. The MoL then is not revealed at "first" though but rather #4412(proton/first) is said to be the rebellion by Paul. That man of lawlessness will be in opposition to and exalt himself above all that is called god and every object that is worshiped.

So then he will be claiming to be "God" and those who will be deceived will see him as God,our Lord and or theirs also and will worship him as God. As it seems then the Jews will see him as their long awaited Messiah,Christians will see him as Jesus in his second return and Islamic's as Isa/Mahdi, Buddhist as Buddha ect. ect. but he will claim to be, and claim the authority and person of all that is called God.
 

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I could explain that the post is about the mystery of wickedness: believing a lie, and the general view is that the mystery is solved by being a computer chip. I pointed out that the earth became filled with violence by the enemy before the flood, why would he need chips this time? And if believers think they are safe until they are offered chips, or taken away, good luck with that.
This last statement is incredibly useful. I keep a small circle but I do know the idea is out there...so long as I don't get the mark I'll be fine...I'll be raptured.

I'm not suggesting the wedding is not a thing, just that things are at a critical stage and it's about getting right with the Lord and rejecting the things of this world in a way we haven't ever before. A LOT (note: not all) of us have areas where we are lukewarm even if it's minimal it's still there. It's time to WAR. Not act like we are P.O.Ws just waiting for our release.
 

iamsoandso

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One thing the masses fail to see is that one would hide in the woods,in the mountains or the other side of the planet to avoid receiving the mark of the beast but the "Name Of The Father" they will line up to receive,,,the deception is in them believing themselves to be in the Fathers line and being in the line of the one who claims he is God and is not. You see they will believe they are receiving the name of the Father and will do so wilfully...
 

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I am sorry for the sircasum in the title of this page. This 7 year old girl was given wisdom of God to see that the mark is about mind control by the beast. Similar to what I saw as taking advantage, those that are deep in drug addiction already experiencing it. Unable to bye sell or trade without stealing and taking advantage.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j4de0rsRb4>
 
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ok,So from what you've said Abel was given faith but Cain was not. In Ephesians 2:8 and 1 Corinthians 12:9 https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1co/12/9/s_1074009 ,,, https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eph/2/1-22/s_1099001 faith is said to be a "gift" given by God why do you think God gave faith to Abel and not to Cain? I ask this because if your correct then God is who is giving both the mark of God and the MoS (I don't think so but...)
Yes, with Abel. Christ found it in His own heart to have favor on Abel in respect to the mercy of God. But to Cain it was not found. Cain did not repent. He simply showed unbelief. Hearing the words of God and trying to bargain with the price that he could not bear, as restless wanderer. Since he had no faith It was like he was bargaining with the devil his father of lies.( the god of self will name it claim it)


God used the mark of His inspired word, as what he says comes to pass. That was to verify he is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul desires . He made the heart of Abel soft and the heart of Cain remined a hard rock..(Job 23) Cain suffered the pangs of hell as a restless wander all the day of His God kept his promise as the mark of His word..

Faith is not of the imaginations of ones own natural dark heart. Faith is in respect to our new source of light by which we see into our new hearts as a rule of faith . Previous having no faith to lighten our darkened understanding.

The faith (Christ's) in Ephesians 2 is not without works as a labor of His love. The gift is...…. a new faith that can please Him. Previously having none, not knowing the source of faith of God, not seen. And now that we are known of God as born again we understand freely we have given the faith the light paths. Some would say faith are not works as if faith and work could be divided .James 2 says it would be like a body without a spirit .The body cannot act independent spirit or vice versa . The same is with faith and works. someone faith Jesus faithfully performed the will of the father not seen.

Its how the word faith is used that the mysteries of faith can be revealed . I think some confuse the use of the word faith scripture with the idea of faith as general consensus, mankind communing with mankind . Rather than the supernatural revealing of God faithfulness as that not coming from us who God addresses beforehand as faithless. Not little none, no faith . We start out with the hearing of his faith (Galatians3) as Christ by faith does both works in us do work out his good will. And it will be the same manner of spirit we are hoping will be in the end.

I would offer in the passage below passage below. It helped me understand somewhat were we come from (no faith) before we passed from death to new life (faith) The word froward generation, the generation of Adam, natural man provides a interesting understanding into the mysteries of faith .

The faith in Ephesians 2 and in James 2 is the faith of Christ, the faith of God. It is not of ourselves in any way shape or form

Deuteronomy 32:20And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

The face of darkness. I will hide my face, no faith (light)

froward
FRO'WARD, a. L. versus: turned or looking from.

Perverse, that is, turning from, with aversion or reluctance; not willing to yield or comply with what is required; unyielding; ungovernable; refractory; disobedient; peevish; as a froward child
 
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One thing the masses fail to see is that one would hide in the woods,in the mountains or the other side of the planet to avoid receiving the mark of the beast but the "Name Of The Father" they will line up to receive,,,the deception is in them believing themselves to be in the Fathers line and being in the line of the one who claims he is God and is not. You see they will believe they are receiving the name of the Father and will do so wilfully...
Cashless non- electronic device periods of time existed before .Human are still here. Electronic devices are not smarter.

I would ask, Did the devices become the new source of faith. Needed to reveal the understanding of God? ? What's new or does history simply repeat itself because a corrupted nature cannot change its spots anymore than can a electronic device work without the battery ?

What does the fathers line pertain to?

I don't think the bible uses the word sign in that context but does the word mark . Like mark my word, it will come to pass. The Holy Spirit declares to us. Buy His truth and sell it not.

Jesus said it an evil generation "natural man" that does seek after signs and wonders gospel. What Jesus offered were simply signs of the times, as business as usual as in the days of Noah. As a answer to the request the sign of his coming (generalities) but not as wonder as a source of faith to confirm the end of the world? That day no man knows. we continue to walk by faith, hearing God

Sign but no wonder .Always a possibility today of a lying, wonder with a sign. The name it claim it, will worship kind. (Colossians )
 

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Sounds like too many people in this thread are relying on Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye, rather than the Holy Spirit for interpretation and inspiration.

So much utter speculation and madness in this thread. As usual!
 

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Yes, with Abel. Christ found it in His own heart to have favor on Abel in respect to the mercy of God. But to Cain it was not found. Cain did not repent. He simply showed unbelief. Hearing the words of God and trying to bargain with the price that he could not bear, as restless wanderer. Since he had no faith It was like he was bargaining with the devil his father of lies.( the god of self will name it claim it)


God used the mark of His inspired word, as what he says comes to pass. That was to verify he is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul desires . He made the heart of Abel soft and the heart of Cain remined a hard rock..(Job 23) Cain suffered the pangs of hell as a restless wander all the day of His God kept his promise as the mark of His word..

Faith is not of the imaginations of ones own natural dark heart. Faith is in respect to our new source of light by which we see into our new hearts as a rule of faith . Previous having no faith to lighten our darkened understanding.

The faith (Christ's) in Ephesians 2 is not without works as a labor of His love. The gift is...…. a new faith that can please Him. Previously having none, not knowing the source of faith of God, not seen. And now that we are known of God as born again we understand freely we have given the faith the light paths. Some would say faith are not works as if faith and work could be divided .James 2 says it would be like a body without a spirit .The body cannot act independent spirit or vice versa . The same is with faith and works. someone faith Jesus faithfully performed the will of the father not seen.

Its how the word faith is used that the mysteries of faith can be revealed . I think some confuse the use of the word faith scripture with the idea of faith as general consensus, mankind communing with mankind . Rather than the supernatural revealing of God faithfulness as that not coming from us who God addresses beforehand as faithless. Not little none, no faith . We start out with the hearing of his faith (Galatians3) as Christ by faith does both works in us do work out his good will. And it will be the same manner of spirit we are hoping will be in the end.

I would offer in the passage below passage below. It helped me understand somewhat were we come from (no faith) before we passed from death to new life (faith) The word froward generation, the generation of Adam, natural man provides a interesting understanding into the mysteries of faith .

The faith in Ephesians 2 and in James 2 is the faith of Christ, the faith of God. It is not of ourselves in any way shape or form

Deuteronomy 32:20And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

The face of darkness. I will hide my face, no faith (light)

froward
FRO'WARD, a. L. versus: turned or looking from.

Perverse, that is, turning from, with aversion or reluctance; not willing to yield or comply with what is required; unyielding; ungovernable; refractory; disobedient; peevish; as a froward child

Your saying "he had no faith ",,,I gave you two Scriptures in the post you quoted stating that faith is a "gift of the Holy Spirit"....you said the mark is unconverted man, no faith...

Who is it that is the one who enforces and gives/allocates the "Mark of the Beast",,,,is it Satan,the devil or who? If you think it is because he has no faith and faith is a gift of the Holy Spirit then what is it your saying?
 

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Cashless non- electronic device periods of time existed before .Human are still here. Electronic devices are not smarter.

I would ask, Did the devices become the new source of faith. Needed to reveal the understanding of God? ? What's new or does history simply repeat itself because a corrupted nature cannot change its spots anymore than can a electronic device work without the battery ?

What does the fathers line pertain to?

I don't think the bible uses the word sign in that context but does the word mark . Like mark my word, it will come to pass. The Holy Spirit declares to us. Buy His truth and sell it not.

Jesus said it an evil generation "natural man" that does seek after signs and wonders gospel. What Jesus offered were simply signs of the times, as business as usual as in the days of Noah. As a answer to the request the sign of his coming (generalities) but not as wonder as a source of faith to confirm the end of the world? That day no man knows. we continue to walk by faith, hearing God

Sign but no wonder .Always a possibility today of a lying, wonder with a sign. The name it claim it, will worship kind. (Colossians )

I didn't mention any type voltage reference to check the accuracy of your multi-tester in any of my post but as free advice an AD584 is less than ten bucks, shipping included, and will do the Job.
 

iamsoandso

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Sounds like too many people in this thread are relying on Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye, rather than the Holy Spirit for interpretation and inspiration.

So much utter speculation and madness in this thread. As usual!

Hat's off,,,it is such a shame to go from camp to camp and after asking them the same questions we find ourselves narrowed down to the likes of them right?
 
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Your saying "he had no faith ",,,I gave you two Scriptures in the post you quoted stating that faith is a "gift of the Holy Spirit"....you said the mark is unconverted man, no faith...

Who is it that is the one who enforces and gives/allocates the "Mark of the Beast",,,,is it Satan,the devil or who? If you think it is because he has no faith and faith is a gift of the Holy Spirit then what is it your saying?

Yes, an exclusive faith that comes from hearing God. (the faith of God) that works in the believer .Not of a work of the believer.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Not of our own selves .Natural man is reckoned at having none .Not a little as some sort of kick start. No faith.

The mark identifies a restless wander like Cain. His punishment as recorded (suffering a lying hell with out and rest from Christ) was more that he could bear (only Christ could bear it. Natural man 666 simply refuse to buy the truth of the gospel but sell it as worthless and trample on it. No interest in the spirit unseen things of God like Esau used to represent unbelief (no faith) as a atheist.

God marking His word .What he says will come to pass does.

And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. (Something only Christ could bear as he did for Abel) Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark (the mark of His propmise) upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. genesis 4:11-15

Mankind does not get to chose what kind of punuishment God will afflict on the creature. God's will was done.

Cashless eletronicless soceities have existed before . No need for for conspiracy theories.
 
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I didn't mention any type voltage reference to check the accuracy of your multi-tester in any of my post but as free advice an AD584 is less than ten bucks, shipping included, and will do the Job.

LOL Ok what's AD584 ? A direct line to God, which one the god of signs and wonders?? Aluminum foil hat included.
 
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I think it not in vein,,,that is when two thirds of the population are wiped out it will be to late to help them so today is when to give a helping hand to those who otherwise will perish.
Christ will come as a thief in the night. We have the privilege to watch as Noah, but like Noah He will come like a thief in the twinkling of the eye .

2/3 .666 a reoccurring theme is used that way throughout the scripture as a line to divide the goats (666.... unbelievers) from the lambs (777) .

It would seem to be used as a dividing line with the angels also. 1/3 (.666) fell when Christ said it is finished .Or .666 of the three groups of 50 false prophets sent in respect to Elijah . Three it seems being used to represent the end of the matter in many places. The last group of fifty (fifty in respect to five is used to represent redemption) those God had mercy on a parable below to represent the gospel.

And he sent again a captain of the third fifty with his fifty. And the third captain of fifty went up, and came and fell on his knees before Elijah, and besought him, and said unto him, O man of God, I pray thee, let my life, and the life of these fifty thy servants, be precious in thy sight. Behold, there came fire down from heaven, and burnt up the two captains of the former fifties with their fifties: therefore let my life now be precious in thy sight.1 Kings 1:

Or again when David smote Moab again to represent the gospel ,

2 Samuel 8:2 And he smote Moab, and measured them with a line, casting them down to the ground; even with two lines measured he to put to death, and with one full line to keep alive. And so the Moabites became David's servants, and brought gifts.
 

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I'm not really saying anything of myself as you observed: good observation. You may say its a warning not to ad to the word on a rabbit trail, and overlook the obvious that is written. "Let no one turn you away from the simplicity of Christ." He is the Truth: apart from Him we are an Illusion living a lie: in the time of trouble would have no strength to resist the enemy in a war Kingdom against kingdom.
I will include words the Lord gave me recently, direction I received in preparation for Journey in prayer over a few weeks:
"We will give ourselves to prayer and the Word."
Withhold nothing, take nothing, you have to be determined to succeed, your prayer life must increase. Content to participate in the mystery of God. Go, this is a time of prayer, it’s the only way you'll succeed. Keep yourself in the Love of God. Don't give up: your not ready. Be Still, know that I Am with you.
"Wait on the Lord and He will strengthen your heart."
Your prayer life has to extend in all areas of your life. What you do not realize is that the war is accomplished; it's not as simple as you getting the power, you have to Love the Truth. Give up your life, no more going back to idols.
In a dream I said to myself: I finally saw Jesus in a dream, when I woke up, did not remember anything; after a while remembered the thought of my dream, but not the event of seeing Jesus. I understood this was to show me why we need to be ready for His appearing. In the dream my attitude was casual, I did not Love His appearing as if I had been ready: I was still lukewarm.
Don't be afraid, above all surrender, give Him your fear. Don’t stay outside, don’t worry, Psalm 118:
Be Faithful unto death, seek Me more than your necessary food. Don’t fight against the Holy Ghost, give yourself to prayer. Give yourself to Him, you need to change, no longer desire earthly things, come and be reconciled. Make the most of your time. Live in Prayer, don't want anything else. Come to me and I will answer you. (This last sentence was this morning).

My personal opinion is that the mark of the beast is the character of mankind.

But, this isn't what I want to say to you stillness. Your user name is a good one to make your own personal goal. All those things you mention you must do, thus we must do too will wear you out for you are putting yourself under law.

Holy Spirit will work these things out in your life so rest in Him.

Jesus prayed that we would know we are one with Him and the Father. This will carry us through anything for if God be for you, who can be against?

Flow with Him stillness. That's what we "do".