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JAMES was written to the JEWS and it contains the same ISSUE that they deal with to this very day....a BELIEF in GOD, but no saving faith into Christ........this is why MANY miss the point of this book.....
The demons believe in GOD <----they know he is real....just like the JEWS believe in GOD, they KNOW he is real, BUT NEITHER have saving faith and that is what JAMES addresses............
Yes there is a line of thought that this book is out of left field and does not have a place within the cannon of scripture........I have never actually pondered that view
The demons believe in GOD <----they know he is real....just like the JEWS believe in GOD, they KNOW he is real, BUT NEITHER have saving faith and that is what JAMES addresses............
Yes there is a line of thought that this book is out of left field and does not have a place within the cannon of scripture........I have never actually pondered that view
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I have. But, it's not an issue I would fight to the death for.
I suspect things are slightly different.
For me love comes first. It is love that drives us to God, it is knowing we desire to resolve our
love and needs and God seems to be the source. When Jesus called the disciples it was people
who loved God. Their hearts were desiring to know Him more.
Paul though he was focused in the wrong direction loved God and wanted to see His ways work.
It is because we recognise this love, and how badly we fail that we have conviction of sin and
desire repentance. Repentance is not forced it is a reaction to seeing love in its purest form in
Christ and seeing how badly we fall short. This awareness causes us to bend and break, to fall
before the King and desire that He might raise us up.
I therefore put love first, then faith, seeing Christ is the true fulfillment of the love we desire to
see and to know, and works are this love in our hearts set free and outworking to others.
This is my testimony. What spoke to me most was Jesus's understanding, humbleness and love
for others in His daily life. What a day today to rejoice in His victory for us, over sin and death,
to rise victorious, to bring this love to our hearts that we might walk as His did and does, knowing
the Fathers will. Amen
2 Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing
of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing
and perfect will.
Rom 12
For me love comes first. It is love that drives us to God, it is knowing we desire to resolve our
love and needs and God seems to be the source. When Jesus called the disciples it was people
who loved God. Their hearts were desiring to know Him more.
Paul though he was focused in the wrong direction loved God and wanted to see His ways work.
It is because we recognise this love, and how badly we fail that we have conviction of sin and
desire repentance. Repentance is not forced it is a reaction to seeing love in its purest form in
Christ and seeing how badly we fall short. This awareness causes us to bend and break, to fall
before the King and desire that He might raise us up.
I therefore put love first, then faith, seeing Christ is the true fulfillment of the love we desire to
see and to know, and works are this love in our hearts set free and outworking to others.
This is my testimony. What spoke to me most was Jesus's understanding, humbleness and love
for others in His daily life. What a day today to rejoice in His victory for us, over sin and death,
to rise victorious, to bring this love to our hearts that we might walk as His did and does, knowing
the Fathers will. Amen
2 Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing
of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing
and perfect will.
Rom 12
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Except for the fact that the bible tells us clearly to let the love of God be PERFECTED in us..........this word indicates a process of growth and maturity...........Faith, hope and LOVE are spiritual gifts, they NEED to be increased, exercised, and matured........
“And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.”
But whoever may keep His word, truly in him the love of God has been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:
"But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love
“And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.”
But whoever may keep His word, truly in him the love of God has been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:
"But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love
I totally agree with you that faith hope and love need to be increased, exercised TJ bring us to maturity.
But with regards to hope and love, are they spiritual gifts?
1 Corinthians 12:4-11
4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.
I don't see love as a spiritual gift.
So interested to know your thoughts on this.
But with regards to hope and love, are they spiritual gifts?
1 Corinthians 12:4-11
4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.
I don't see love as a spiritual gift.
So interested to know your thoughts on this.
Love is by its nature our response to God. It cannot be a gift because then it is not our
own. Love is innate within us, we are born with love and we love our parents unreservedly.
It is why when this love is betrayed it hurts so much. And it is why the death of our
parents strikes so hard in our hearts.
The reason love is so universal is why God speaks to us and our situation. We are built to
respond and walk in love, and so many testify to how being hurt made then cynical and
manipulative so that people could be exploited, very easily.
own. Love is innate within us, we are born with love and we love our parents unreservedly.
It is why when this love is betrayed it hurts so much. And it is why the death of our
parents strikes so hard in our hearts.
The reason love is so universal is why God speaks to us and our situation. We are built to
respond and walk in love, and so many testify to how being hurt made then cynical and
manipulative so that people could be exploited, very easily.
Yes I did. Read the bolded, included in context
Were her sins forgiven because she loved much? or did she love much because her sins were forgiven?
I hold the latter. The first phrase, "her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much" is descriptive
Otherwise, you have justification based on how much you love, which I don't think is Jesus' intent.
Why? Do you?
Were her sins forgiven because she loved much? or did she love much because her sins were forgiven?
I hold the latter. The first phrase, "her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much" is descriptive
Otherwise, you have justification based on how much you love, which I don't think is Jesus' intent.
Why? Do you?
STRAWMAN ALERT!!!
Luke 7:47 Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.”
One who is forgiven much loves much. One who is forgiven little loves little
Love is partly based on a sense of how much God has forgiven us.
BIBLE 101
Luke 7:47 Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.”
One who is forgiven much loves much. One who is forgiven little loves little
Love is partly based on a sense of how much God has forgiven us.
BIBLE 101