Been watching a lot about the quran.. Misled?

[kaylagrl]

How did Islam begin?
Islam is a monotheistic faith centered around belief in the one God (Allah). In this regard, it shares some beliefs with Judaism and Christianity by tracing its history back to the patriarch Abraham, and ultimately to the first prophet, Adam.

Couple things here. I do believe DC is right, Islam is an ancient religion. But Muhammed threw in Christianity and Judaism for good measure. It's a mishmash of beliefs. I do believe the Muslim people themselves descend from Ishmael ,but the religion of Islam is an ancient religion with the other two added in. Allah is not the God of the Bible,not in any way shape or form. Muhammed mixed religions on purpose to try and get converts. That is why Islam is a mess of different teachings today.

 

[stonesoffire]

I never saw the original poster ever comment on anything.

It was like he just dropped a little seed of hate and the people here watered it.

Not sure why. You didn't see it coming?

Exactly!

 

[kaylagrl]

Is a biblical scholar, who breaks the bible down to black letters on a white page, more qualified than a preacher who is full of the Holy Spirit and receives scripture from the viewpoint of God?

Absolutely NOT!!

If you ever get to where I am located, I would love to take you to a Mosque that has over 200,000 members. This Mosque is the location to which several Muslim decisions are made for both the Muslim faith in America and around the world. Several Imam's I consider to be the kind of friend I would give my life to save any one of them. IMAM's are Muslim leaders, authority figures, decision makers for all of Islam beliefs, and so forth. I've been to their homes as well they have been to mine. We break scripture down from the Quran and I use the Torah. They have shared traditions that most people would never know. The list is endless to the knowledge of these Muslim Leaders (my friends).

This is where I get, before there was an official religion specifying the Muslim beliefs, there was the Abraham and Adam traditions long before Mohammed ever was born. And some of these Imam's discredit Mohammed and remove his views from the Quran.

So, you can post what you think is right all day until you turn blue in the face, I have actual Muslim people, who like the Jews, can trace their ancestry back to back to Abraham (through Keturah's sons she bore to him). And what Abraham taught, was passed onto every generation after!!

Not to be ignorant but what is the point to what you are saying? Islam is a religion from the pit of hell. And it takes people to hell every single day. It is an oppressive belief system,especially to women. If the Quran is followed strictly it is a violent religion. Muhammed got his converts through force. Those that adhere to Islam are lost. If you are leading them to Christ, or trying to show them the Word and the truth, great. Otherwise you are agreeing with a belief system that is against the Word of God. If I'm mistaking what you are saying please let me know.

 

[kaylagrl]

If that’s your measure of judgment here, then consider Moses’ and Joshua’s ethnic cleansing of neighboring towns, at God’s command. Consider the Crusades which killed thousands.

The Jews and Christians historically are not clean at all, but at present in terms of their observance of their religions are comparatively civilized.

Most Muslims today are just as civilized. It is the minority, that only sees in the Quran what they want to see, which is passages relating to killing non-believers for Allah.

But likewise, there are passages in the Old Testament that require that those who attempt to lead us away from God are to be stoned to death. This method of execution, then, is not limited to Islam. There are passages in the New Testament that say to keep non-believers away from yourself to avoid even the semblance of temptation. The latter has given rise to prejudice, where people falsely assume that whole groups of people act a certain way, and in terms of the Bible, have been perceived to be acting in ways that are contrary to God.

Like the Jews and Christians, most Muslims do not abide by the violent passages in their holy book.

If you, sir, really believe that a typical Muslim by nature is prone to violence because of certain passages in the Quran, then you are prejudice against Muslims. THAT’s what I think.

Your prejudice violates the second great commandment of Jesus, and it violates Galatians 3:28 to name a few passages in the Bible.

Does your prejudice make YOU a non-believer? Perhaps to the extent you don’t use prejudice to avoid your own temptations.

Muhammed spread Islam by the sword, that is how he increased his converts. The first few years he had no converts until he began to force people to submit to Islam. That is not the way Christianity was started, Christ gave His life, He did not force people to submit to His will. The Bible doesn't tell us to subdue the earth and force people to become converts on pain of death. The Quran does. Now many Muslims do not live strictly to the Quran and they are considered infidels along with non-believers. Wars that happened in the Bible are different then the Quran saying commit jihad and subdue people today. And that is what the Muslims that strictly follow the Quran are doing today. The religion is not one of piece. And it is extremely oppressive to women. This is a matter of fact, it has nothing to do with prejudice.

 

[TheLearner]

Couple things here. I do believe DC is right, Islam is an ancient religion. But Muhammed threw in Christianity and Judaism for good measure. It's a mishmash of beliefs. I do believe the Muslim people themselves descend from Ishmael ,but the religion of Islam is an ancient religion with the other two added in. Allah is not the God of the Bible,not in any way shape or form. Muhammed mixed religions on purpose to try and get converts. That is why Islam is a mess of different teachings today.

The only monotheists to my knowledge in his time were Christians and Jewish Religion at that time.

 

[TheLearner]

read to here

 

[obedienttogod]

I am asking for primary sources with links that predate Mohammad with links to the primary sources, not wickedpedia which anyone can post to. Thanks Also, the Encyclopedias now days politically correct, usually third or fourth level at best. It was basically a complete genealogy that you were claiming for the Arab peoples.

This is another secodary source that carries as much weight as your sources.

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The truth is that the term "Arab" designates peoples of diverse ethnic origins who are united only by the Arabic language and culture. The seed of Ishmael represents only a very small component of the genetic pool of the Arabic people. Let me explain.

In Arabic and Hebrew the term arab means "nomad" (synonymous with bedouin), and originally referred only to the nomadic people who roamed the Arabian Peninsula. Later, it was used to designate all the inhabitants of the peninsula--both nomads and town-dwellers. According to the Old Testament, the earliest inhabitants of the peninsula descended from Joktan (Gen. 10:26-29), a descendent of Shem (whence the term Semite). Later, the area was also settled by Abraham's sons through Keturah (Gen. 25:1-4), the 12 sons of Ishmael (Gen. 25:13-16), and finally the sons of Esau (Gen. 36:1-19), all descendents of Abraham (also Semitic). Clearly, Ishmael's offspring represent just a small fraction of the Arab peoples.

But there is another reason it is incorrect to say that the Arab nation descended from Ishmael. Following the Arab conquest of the Middle East and North Africa (7th C.), many of the conquered countries eventually adopted Arabic as their mother tongue, as well as Islam. There was also a certain amount of intermarriage between conquerors and conquered. So that today, the term "Arab" has a strictly cultural and linguistic connotation. To conclude, while some Arabs of the Arabian Peninsula may be descendants of Ishmael, most Arabs of the rest of the "Arab World" have no blood relationship to Ishmael at all.

But what about the claim that Muhammad is a descendent of Ishmael. The Arabs, of course, make this claim, but I note that some trace his ancestry through Nebaioth, and others through Kedar, showing that they really do not know for sure. When one considers the well-documented fact that Muslims often invent genealogies, I am skeptical."
https://www.awm.com/

Moses was in MUSLIM TERRITORY in Midian.
in MUSLIM territory, he met his Father n Law, a believer in Yahweh.
In MUSLIM Territory, I AM visited Moses in a Burning Bush.

CLEARLY, 2500 years before Mohammed, God had believers in Muslim territory, and God went to Muslim territory as the Burning bush.

That is from THE HOLY BIBLE = GOD'S WORD!!

That is all the PROOF I NEED.

God reveals in MIDIAN (MUSLIM TERRITORY), He has believers taught from ABRAHAM. And we know when Moses met God as a Burning Bush in MUSLIM TERRITORY. And we can deduct that TIME, to when Mohammed was born, and see the MUSLIM TERRITORIES KNEW ABOUT THE GOD OF ABRAHAM 2500 years before ISLAM, and we can find it written FROM THE HOLY BIBLE!!

That is the ONLY SOURCE you need from me!!

God's WORD proves that people in Muslim territory knew the God of Abraham, before the Quran was ever written!!

 

[obedienttogod]

Couple things here. I do believe DC is right, Islam is an ancient religion. But Muhammed threw in Christianity and Judaism for good measure. It's a mishmash of beliefs. I do believe the Muslim people themselves descend from Ishmael ,but the religion of Islam is an ancient religion with the other two added in. Allah is not the God of the Bible,not in any way shape or form. Muhammed mixed religions on purpose to try and get converts. That is why Islam is a mess of different teachings today.

Islam is not even 2,000 years old, but Moses in Midian (Muslim Territory) with descendants of Abraham were believers in Abraham's God Yahweh 2500 years before Mohammed was born.

So, before the religion of Islam, Muslim people knew of Abraham and his God, Yahweh!!

 

[obedienttogod]

Not to be ignorant but what is the point to what you are saying? Islam is a religion from the pit of hell. And it takes people to hell every single day. It is an oppressive belief system,especially to women. If the Quran is followed strictly it is a violent religion. Muhammed got his converts through force. Those that adhere to Islam are lost. If you are leading them to Christ, or trying to show them the Word and the truth, great. Otherwise you are agreeing with a belief system that is against the Word of God. If I'm mistaking what you are saying please let me know.

We are not discussing what it means, but some of the things that created this particular beliefs. You are assuming something not ever said!!

 

[kaylagrl]

We are not discussing what it means, but some of the things that created this particular beliefs. You are assuming something not ever said!!

I asked you if I missed something to tell me. So do I assume you agree with what I said, or do you disagree?