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i am not Dc's son. i respect him as a friend and brother but he is not my pope
i dont know what he believes on everything, but this is what i believe:
you believe in Jesus, then the Spirit will start producing fruit
you are born again when you believe.
i dont know enough greek to agree or disagree with you about 1 john 5:1 perfect tenses and things. but what i read in my bible it says those who believe are born again, which is what i believe.
i dont know how it can be so complicated?
i dont know what he believes on everything, but this is what i believe:
you believe in Jesus, then the Spirit will start producing fruit
you are born again when you believe.
i dont know enough greek to agree or disagree with you about 1 john 5:1 perfect tenses and things. but what i read in my bible it says those who believe are born again, which is what i believe.
i dont know how it can be so complicated?
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As long as they do. They keep bringing it back up when it's not even being discussed. Especially GB9 and Budman.
I showed two examples a few minutes ago where GB9 brought it up when IT wasn't even being discussed
and then they wonder why it doesn't go away. They won't let it.
So rest it is, though I am skeptical if they will go along.
I showed two examples a few minutes ago where GB9 brought it up when IT wasn't even being discussed
and then they wonder why it doesn't go away. They won't let it.
So rest it is, though I am skeptical if they will go along.
There is a point here, if someone raises a question on a post, and that member is not here,
their response could be deemed as bringing up the subject again, when in reality they
are answering a question. So this forum will tend to perpetuate different points, as it
should. And to be honest most subjects are worthwhile pursuing as there is no end to
what one can discover in Jesus, and His truth, and it builds us up in Him, Praise the Lord.
And the great thing is in Jesus is to do works to reflect the glorious work He has done in
us.
The fact that people do not want to be a light to the world or shine like star suggests that
maybe they are ashamed of something in their lives. Why would this be, for everything
bring glory to Him, that we do according to His will and His ways, Amen.
their response could be deemed as bringing up the subject again, when in reality they
are answering a question. So this forum will tend to perpetuate different points, as it
should. And to be honest most subjects are worthwhile pursuing as there is no end to
what one can discover in Jesus, and His truth, and it builds us up in Him, Praise the Lord.
And the great thing is in Jesus is to do works to reflect the glorious work He has done in
us.
The fact that people do not want to be a light to the world or shine like star suggests that
maybe they are ashamed of something in their lives. Why would this be, for everything
bring glory to Him, that we do according to His will and His ways, Amen.
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Those who do not want to shine the light are those who live in the dark , they are the ones who have plenty to hide , the walking dead , the unsaved...
They cannot bring glory to God , are you addressing someone in particular ...
I know you have said in the past , you do not like to name names as such , but we are brothers and sisters in here , so obviously the people you are talking about are lost souls , so why are you asking " Why would this be "...xox...
They cannot bring glory to God , are you addressing someone in particular ...
I know you have said in the past , you do not like to name names as such , but we are brothers and sisters in here , so obviously the people you are talking about are lost souls , so why are you asking " Why would this be "...xox...
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Hi Rose,
I am simple in my heart. "Why would this be " is a question aimed at those who claim to know Jesus,
yet have not opened the door and resolved issues in their hearts.
Until they answer this question for themselves, nothing really matters, or even discussions here,
because things will always progress to no resolution, as everything hinges on our walk and purity.
And to brothers and sisters in Christ, they know this reality, and know the Holy Spirit blessing them
each and every day in Jesus. But we assume all are like us, when we can blaze like light and offer
hope to all who desire what Jesus offers, Amen
I am simple in my heart. "Why would this be " is a question aimed at those who claim to know Jesus,
yet have not opened the door and resolved issues in their hearts.
Until they answer this question for themselves, nothing really matters, or even discussions here,
because things will always progress to no resolution, as everything hinges on our walk and purity.
And to brothers and sisters in Christ, they know this reality, and know the Holy Spirit blessing them
each and every day in Jesus. But we assume all are like us, when we can blaze like light and offer
hope to all who desire what Jesus offers, Amen
Encouragement or discouragement, a fragrance of life or a fragrance of death?
If we say Jesus brought us great joy today, does this make those who are sad, feeling
worse, or empathy with those who equally rejoice in Jesus, encouraging them.
Paul says simply, rejoice always, again I say rejoice.
Boy that is hard when you are depressed and things seem desperate.
But it is actually a statement of faith. I am going to die, all the things around me
will perish and come to nothing, yet I am a child of God, destined to heaven, and
know love that is infinite and without boundaries, so I rejoice in knowing Him.
If you understand these two perspectives, you know the power of praise. Amen
If we say Jesus brought us great joy today, does this make those who are sad, feeling
worse, or empathy with those who equally rejoice in Jesus, encouraging them.
Paul says simply, rejoice always, again I say rejoice.
Boy that is hard when you are depressed and things seem desperate.
But it is actually a statement of faith. I am going to die, all the things around me
will perish and come to nothing, yet I am a child of God, destined to heaven, and
know love that is infinite and without boundaries, so I rejoice in knowing Him.
If you understand these two perspectives, you know the power of praise. Amen
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You get things slightly wrong. Perhaps you are over-enthusiastic, but you need to look at the context. The scripture you quote is about our salvation, so that we might please Him. We are the fruit.
And so, my dear friends, just as you have always obeyed, not only when I was with you but even more now that I am absent, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God who is producing in you both the desire and the ability to do what pleases him. Do everything without complaining or arguing so that you may be blameless and innocent. (Php 2:12-15 ISV)
Jamison-Faussett-Brown say: This is a "progressive work, to be “worked out” by obedience, through the help of the same Spirit, unto perfection (2Pe_1:5-8)."
If there is any fruit, it is the work of the Holy Spirit in us, but so far all I am seeing is an apple that doesn't look very healthy.
And so, my dear friends, just as you have always obeyed, not only when I was with you but even more now that I am absent, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God who is producing in you both the desire and the ability to do what pleases him. Do everything without complaining or arguing so that you may be blameless and innocent. (Php 2:12-15 ISV)
Jamison-Faussett-Brown say: This is a "progressive work, to be “worked out” by obedience, through the help of the same Spirit, unto perfection (2Pe_1:5-8)."
If there is any fruit, it is the work of the Holy Spirit in us, but so far all I am seeing is an apple that doesn't look very healthy.
DC is back to conflating bearing fruit and perfection of fruit.
The original statement he made was that it takes a period of growth and maturity to bear anything, NOT TO BEAR FRUIT TO MATURITY.
He changed his argument for about the umpteenth time.
First it was, it takes a period of maturity and growth to bear any fruit
Then it was "it MAY take a period...etc.
Then it was it takes a period of growth and maturity to bear fruit to perfection.
THREE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ARGUMENTS.
You know someone is confused when they keep changing their argument.
The original statement he made was that it takes a period of growth and maturity to bear anything, NOT TO BEAR FRUIT TO MATURITY.
He changed his argument for about the umpteenth time.
First it was, it takes a period of maturity and growth to bear any fruit
Then it was "it MAY take a period...etc.
Then it was it takes a period of growth and maturity to bear fruit to perfection.
THREE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ARGUMENTS.
You know someone is confused when they keep changing their argument.
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But you have to believe certain things for it to become a spiritual reality.
I believe it will rain tomorrow, and be sunny and be cold. My belief does not make
it true, it could just be wild speculation, or an accurate prediction based on weather
patterns etc. Easy believism cares nothing for true definitions or boundaries, only
in a fuzzy warm feeling when you talk about Jesus.....
I believe it will rain tomorrow, and be sunny and be cold. My belief does not make
it true, it could just be wild speculation, or an accurate prediction based on weather
patterns etc. Easy believism cares nothing for true definitions or boundaries, only
in a fuzzy warm feeling when you talk about Jesus.....
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Fuzzy warm feelings
Some people claim to hold to facts, that they reject emotionalism, and only stand in
reality. On closer inspection, one finds hard heartedness, ignoring scripture, condemning
most of the christian church as unbelievers, pain over past experiences unresolved, anger
if one holds a different view, a lack of purity, openness, walking in the ways of Jesus.
And coming to faith is this instant experience, from which you can never fall, except quite
when it happened or how or why is a bit fuzzy, but you are safe no matter how you walk.
So anything in scripture or spoken that makes people feel discouraged or bad is evil, and
everything that brings a smile to ones face is good. So it truth this is true emotionalism,
superficial faith, and a walk in the worlds ways without purity or holiness or change.
Things are definitely not as they appear, but as the Children of Light, we will always blaze
and sing to His glorious name and victory, Amen.
Some people claim to hold to facts, that they reject emotionalism, and only stand in
reality. On closer inspection, one finds hard heartedness, ignoring scripture, condemning
most of the christian church as unbelievers, pain over past experiences unresolved, anger
if one holds a different view, a lack of purity, openness, walking in the ways of Jesus.
And coming to faith is this instant experience, from which you can never fall, except quite
when it happened or how or why is a bit fuzzy, but you are safe no matter how you walk.
So anything in scripture or spoken that makes people feel discouraged or bad is evil, and
everything that brings a smile to ones face is good. So it truth this is true emotionalism,
superficial faith, and a walk in the worlds ways without purity or holiness or change.
Things are definitely not as they appear, but as the Children of Light, we will always blaze
and sing to His glorious name and victory, Amen.
Just so you know, Rosemary, (don't worry, I'm going to keep my promise and not talk about fruit) ...
the whole thing started because DC took exception to the following posts...
Me- Post 83,878- Salvation is a big pile of presents. Open one box, WOW, regeneration/Holy Spirit. Open another, WOW! Justification. Another, adoption papers! Thank you God! Fellowship with God! Another. Sanctification! I love it. Another, hope! On and on and on. Then another. Open the package. It contains the purpose of God for your life. The good works which God has chosen for us to walk in...Good works are not a merit, they are one of the gifts included in our endowment. Ephesians 2:10
ME-83,879- I believe in justification by faith alone, and do not believe we can add anything to Christ’s work. I do not see works, repentance, sanctification, fruit bearing, or commandment keeping as parts we do to be saved. I see them ALL as gifts and graces of God. They are all facets on the multifaceted diamond in the ring God has given us
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These quotes are the source of all the trouble, because DC attacked me repeatedly, beginning because I posted these.
Clearly I deserve to be a false teacher for saying these things, (just like DC said) I guess along with these other men...
Matthew Henry- 4:7-13 We have no reason to be proud; all we have, or are, or do, that is good, is owing to the free and rich grace of God.
( commentary on 1 Corinthians 4:7)
CH SPURGEON- In the next place, be it always remembered, that we cannot be saved by the merit of our own works, because holy works are themselves a gift, the work of the grace of God. (commentary on 1 Corinthians 4:7)
Adam Clarke- The doctrine I refer to is this: God is the foundation of all good; no man possesses any good but what he has derived from God.( commentary on 1 Corinthians 4:7)
Barnes- Who has, by his services, laid God under obligation to recompense or pay him again? It is added in Job, "Whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine." Thus Paul, contrary to the prevailing doctrine of the Jews, shows that no one could plead his own merits, or advance with a claim on God. All the favors of salvation must be bestowed by mercy or grace. God owned them all; and he had a right to bestow them when and where he pleased. (Commentary on Romans 11:34)
John Gill- no man can give God anything, which he has not first given him,
Spurgeon- If there is any good thing in us, he put it there. It is not for us to boast. It is for him to boast if he pleases.
Commentary on Ephesians 2:10
Wesley- For we are his workmanship - Which proves both that salvation is by faith, and that faith is the gift of God. Created unto good works - That afterwards we might give ourselves to them. Which God had before preprepared - The occasions of them: so we must still ascribe the whole to God. That we might walk in them - Though not be justified by them. Commentary on Ephesians 2:10
All these men are liars and false teachers according to DC.
OK
the whole thing started because DC took exception to the following posts...
Me- Post 83,878- Salvation is a big pile of presents. Open one box, WOW, regeneration/Holy Spirit. Open another, WOW! Justification. Another, adoption papers! Thank you God! Fellowship with God! Another. Sanctification! I love it. Another, hope! On and on and on. Then another. Open the package. It contains the purpose of God for your life. The good works which God has chosen for us to walk in...Good works are not a merit, they are one of the gifts included in our endowment. Ephesians 2:10
ME-83,879- I believe in justification by faith alone, and do not believe we can add anything to Christ’s work. I do not see works, repentance, sanctification, fruit bearing, or commandment keeping as parts we do to be saved. I see them ALL as gifts and graces of God. They are all facets on the multifaceted diamond in the ring God has given us
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These quotes are the source of all the trouble, because DC attacked me repeatedly, beginning because I posted these.
Clearly I deserve to be a false teacher for saying these things, (just like DC said) I guess along with these other men...
Matthew Henry- 4:7-13 We have no reason to be proud; all we have, or are, or do, that is good, is owing to the free and rich grace of God.
( commentary on 1 Corinthians 4:7)
CH SPURGEON- In the next place, be it always remembered, that we cannot be saved by the merit of our own works, because holy works are themselves a gift, the work of the grace of God. (commentary on 1 Corinthians 4:7)
Adam Clarke- The doctrine I refer to is this: God is the foundation of all good; no man possesses any good but what he has derived from God.( commentary on 1 Corinthians 4:7)
Barnes- Who has, by his services, laid God under obligation to recompense or pay him again? It is added in Job, "Whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine." Thus Paul, contrary to the prevailing doctrine of the Jews, shows that no one could plead his own merits, or advance with a claim on God. All the favors of salvation must be bestowed by mercy or grace. God owned them all; and he had a right to bestow them when and where he pleased. (Commentary on Romans 11:34)
John Gill- no man can give God anything, which he has not first given him,
Spurgeon- If there is any good thing in us, he put it there. It is not for us to boast. It is for him to boast if he pleases.
Commentary on Ephesians 2:10
Wesley- For we are his workmanship - Which proves both that salvation is by faith, and that faith is the gift of God. Created unto good works - That afterwards we might give ourselves to them. Which God had before preprepared - The occasions of them: so we must still ascribe the whole to God. That we might walk in them - Though not be justified by them. Commentary on Ephesians 2:10
All these men are liars and false teachers according to DC.
OK